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Because you can never get enough JRob, free documentary coming may 3 online here:http://jrobinsonfullcircle.com/
Imagine how successful his camps can be once coaching isn't in the way!
Or imagine how successful his coaching would be if his camps weren't in the way!
"In our battle of the super coaches, there is a clear victor, and perhaps surprisingly, it's neither Sanderson nor Brands—it's JRob."
http://www.flowrestling.org/article/43014-peaking-for-ncaas-which-coach-does-it-best-part-2
http://www.flowrestling.org/article/43014-peaking-for-ncaas-which-coach-does-it-best-part-2
Congratulations on having the most 12th seeds finish 7th/8th.
Interesting that they cut it off after the 6th seed. Minny has had a number of top 6 seeds recently that didn't AA and that is just ignored by this, I hesitate to call it a study since it only accounts for 6 wrestlers at each weight class and ignores the other 27. Also, using total points instead of average points per wrestler makes no sense. I know when I started to read this I dismissed it immediately upon finishing the first sentence which reads
***In part one of our in-depth analysis on whether certain coaches are better at priming their athletes for peak performances, we evaluated how wrestlers seeded No. 12 through 9 performed at NCAAs.***
That's an IN-DEPTH analysis? My first reaction was to just laugh.
Really, JRob "won" this simply by having by far the most 7-12 seeds, period, since Holmes' final placement chart is cumulative, which is a mistake, as some teams will have more or fewer chances to achieve points. Penn State likely has fewer wrestlers seeded 7-12 over this time period because they had far more seeded 1-6.
By Holmes' metric, Minnesota wrestlers exceeded expectation, true, but not at a greater rate than Penn State.
Minnesota had 21 wrestlers gain 36 points. That's 1.7 points per wrestler.
Penn State had 12 wrestlers gain 24 points. That's 2 points per wrestler.
I thought the same NoVa. That 'study' wouldn't pass for any critical analysis anywhere. It is too narrowly focused. Not that the information isn't worthy of study, but someone put lots of time and effort into this, and its results and subsequent conclusions are simply the result of the hand picked parameters rather than the larger universe that was equally at their disposal.
Also lack of normalization. It's as if the number of lower seeds is a good thing.
I think the underlying assumption is that the 7-12 seed fits a certain type of wrestler template--very unlikely to win a championship but good enough to be identified as second tier. After 12 the seeding gets more arbitrary, and more difficult to ascertain whether they've wrestled above or below their seed (because there's no 19th place match). I'm not suggesting the assumption is accurate, just trying to rationalize where he's coming from. The results are interesting but come with inherent limitations as to what can be inferred and extrapolated. I don't think it's all garbage though.
Except there are no limits on what Jammen will infer and extrapolate.
Interesting article, but choosing a different metric (there's many, many measures) would yield a different result. With so many variables, I'll go with something simple like "all the guys on the list are great coaches" and leave it at that. But then, I'm not promoting "clicks" either.
i'm sure there will be a t-shirt... hopefully no fund-raisers..They'll be popping champagne in River Falls, WI this weekend for sure
Circle 6/28/2016 on your calendar: Jammen just agreed that Cael is a "super coach," and that it's "no surprise to those in the know."
I normally use winning as the metric of success since it combines recruiting and coaching in order to achieve titles. I never knew that a 10th ranked guy beating his seed was a more relevant measure. Learn something new everyday.
I like it, KISS principle (Keep It Simple, Silly)!!
My thoughts are much broader though, and some are harder to measure;
How did they perform academically?
How did the coach help them grow as a person?
How did they perform relative to their final high school ranking, measured after more than 1 year?
Then we can start adding in all the other performance metrics/
Point is...it's complicated, though I really appreciated the article. As I said, they're all great coaches.
Who are the number of top 6 seeds who failed to AA recently?
Nick Dardanes as a 2.
Chris Dardanes. Can't recall his seed the year he AA'd but assuming top 6.
Steinhaus was lower than a 6 when he failed to AA I believe.
Can't think of any others that would be recent.
Schlatter's injury default but I can't remember if he was seeded.
The article is nothing more than some off season discussion. Don't get too worked up by it. Cael has what others want.
Nick Dardanes as a 2.
Chris Dardanes. Can't recall his seed the year he AA'd but assuming top 6.
Steinhaus was lower than a 6 when he failed to AA I believe.
Can't think of any others that would be recent.
Schlatter's injury default but I can't remember if he was seeded.
The article is nothing more than some off season discussion. Don't get too worked up by it. Cael has what others want.
Quite a few actually. Only did top-4 seeds for 2015 and 2016...but you get the idea.
2015 (7)
125 - #3 Joey Dance
133 - #4 Johnni DiJulius
165 - #2 Mike Moreno
174 - #4 John Eblen
184 - #2 Max Thomusseit and #4 Jack Dechow
285 - #4 Austin Marsden
2016 (8)
125 - #2 Joey Dance
141 - #3 Kevin Jack
149 - #4 Matt Cimato
174 - #2 Brian Realbuto, #3 Blaise Butler, and #4 Ethan Ramos
184 - #3 Vic Avery and #4 Dom Abounador
In addition there were only 2 in 2011, but 7 in 2012, 6 in 2013, and 6 in 2014.
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Going back 4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016), the Gophers have had 16 top-6 seeds, with 4 not placing as All-Americans; #6 Seed N. Dardanes @ 141 in 2015, #6 Seed C. Dardanes @ 141 in 2014, #2 Seed N. Dardanes @ 149 in 2014, and #5 Seed Steinhaus @ 184 in 2013. To ensure balanced reporting, it's fair to note that a number of wrestlers from Minnesota seeded outside the top-8 became AA's during the same period.
better hurry before the deck chairs get re-arranged.Better start printing the t-shirts
understand they already have the tees made. they've added a velcro patch so a year can be added, if it ever happens.Better start printing the t-shirts
Sup, Tikk! I was thrown by this, too. Was like wuh, Ryan Holmes has gotten charty? Holmes is just the Flo User who posted the articles to their site. The articles were written by a dude going by Andrew Spey on Flo, who is also seen around the internet as:
@JaroslavWrestle, Twitter
Mister Spey, Bloody Elbow
Jaroslav, on his own wrestling blog.
Good dude with some fun content. First I've seen him pop up on Flo.
Ugh, thanks for the correction jtot, I knew it was Jaroslav from Twitter but thought Jaroslav was Holmes. Thanks for knowing the lay of the land and letting me know.
You guys are missing the point entirely. The article is about "peaking" (which doesn't exist, btw. it's an euphemism for coaching), not about which team has recruited the most can't miss superstars certain to rack up bonus points. You're just lucky that the author didn't use the B1G tourney seedings for his analysis. I seem to remember one year when Penn State had four #1 seeds fail to meet their mark.#underperforming_superstars
If "peaking" doesn't exist, why does almost every wrestler and coach use that term?
Peaking doesn't exist because the Goofers peaked 1 session too early at nationals.
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