jammen... Homie... Peaking is definitely a thing. Training to peak is a thing. It's a scientific-based term. Let's not get carried away, here. I went to school to be a PE Teacher, but I had to learn some things, too.
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The guy explained his rationale in part 1:
"Our analysis ignored higher seeds, as examining the results of national qualifiers receiving the highest seeds would have influenced biased results. With no place left to go but down, coaches with a preponderance of top-seeded wrestlers would be punished with a disproportionate number of negative" results."
Explaining it with junk reasons is not valid. To determine how well your team peaks or doesn't peak you have to analyze ALL of the wrestlers. His explanation is a great political type one liner because it sounds reasonable, however, if you normalize the numbers by using averages (instead of raw numbers like they did which was not useful at all) you can neutralize any bias. However, they made NO attempt to do that. This topic has now run it's course and jammenz is happy because he thinks he proved some point. What that was escapes me but if it makes him happy more power to him.
If peaking actually existed, why does every wrestler and coach have to wait until after the event to tell us who peaked? Why can't they tell us before the event which guys are peaking? Peaking is coach-speak tautology: Those who have performed well are said to have "peaked", i.e. performed well.
The sport would be better served if coaches would simply say that their wrestlers are mentally, emotionally, and physically ready to wrestle and we'll have to wait for the event to see what happens.
All wrestlers atttempt to "peak" at the proper time, which is for college the NCAA tourney. Their training plans are geared to being more "mentally, emotionally, and physically ready to wrestle" at that time than any other time. Workout schedules are different in the weeks prior to tournament time, with more rest time, more time spent one on one with coaches (and psychologists) than during the regular season.
That is the best I can explain it to you. If you haven't been through it, you will never understand. If you have, and didn't understand the process, you probably didn't have much success.
That is the best I can explain it to you. If you haven't been through it, you will never understand. If you have, and didn't understand the process, you probably didn't have much success.
The only thing you can conclude from this article is that more math needs to be taught in schools. Statistics is misused and abused in this article so much so that both Flo and the author should be embarrassed this was ever published.
Is that supposed to be a statement that wrestling went there to die? Because it sure looks like that in recent years.
That shirt needs a face. Hmm, wonder who would be The Face of Minnesota Wrestling ...
Brock Lesnar
Now known as the face of OTC wrestling.That shirt needs a face. Hmm, wonder who would be The Face of Minnesota Wrestling ...
Tidbit:Here are teams top 10 finishes for the last 20 years. If you finished out of the top ten that year then you were assigned a value of 11. Penn State ends up a surprising tied for 4th/5th with nobody else close. I mean, who knew?
1)........... Iowa 20/20, mean 2.9, median 2.5, mode 1.
2)...... Okie St 19/20, mean 4, median 3.5, mode 3
3)......... Minny 18/20, mean 4.5, median 3, mode 2
4/5)........ PSU 13/20, mean 6.2, median 7.5, mode 11
4/5)....... IA St) 13/20, mean 6.6, median 6, mode 11
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NWCA National Duals championships:
Minnesota 9
PSU.........1
NCAA team Titles
Minnesota 3
PSU..........7
1)........... Iowa 20/20, mean 2.9, median 2.5, mode 1.
2)...... Okie St 19/20, mean 4, median 3.5, mode 3
3)......... Minny 18/20, mean 4.5, median 3, mode 2
4/5)........ PSU 13/20, mean 6.2, median 7.5, mode 11
4/5)....... IA St) 13/20, mean 6.6, median 6, mode 11
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NWCA National Duals championships:
Minnesota 9
PSU.........1
NCAA team Titles
Minnesota 3
PSU..........7
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PS1985, I know what the 10 year changes would look like, and for Iowa and OSU know what the changes would be for 30 years. What would PSU ranking look like going back 30? I can remember some very competitive individuals, but the team scores escape me.
His point was that Flo's PFP #1 troll cherry-picked a window that would troll PSU fans and maximize the Goofer results.
I know, knock me over with a feather.
that part I understood-stats can always be twisted and shaped.
It would be fun to have the time to go back to 28 and work forward to just see top 10 all the way through.
Another fun way to break it down ...
Cael Sanderson: 10 top 10 finishes in 10 years as a head coach; mean finish 3.0; median finish 1.5; five titles (one every two years)
John Smith: 23 top 10 finishes in 25 years as a head coach; mean finish 4.08; median finish 3; five titles (one every five years)
Tom Brands: 10 top 10 finishes in 12 years as a head coach; mean finish 4.5; median finish 3.5; three titles (one every four years)
JRob: 22 top 10 finishes in 30 years as a head coach; mean finish 6.4; median finish 7; three titles (one every 10 years)
Or just considering their first 10 years as a head coach:
Cael: 10/10, mean 3.0; median 1.5; five titles
Smith: 9/10; mean 4.3; median 3; one title
Brands: 8/10; mean 4.7; median 3.5; three titles
JRob: 4/10; mean 9.4; median 11; 0 titles
Cael Sanderson: 10 top 10 finishes in 10 years as a head coach; mean finish 3.0; median finish 1.5; five titles (one every two years)
John Smith: 23 top 10 finishes in 25 years as a head coach; mean finish 4.08; median finish 3; five titles (one every five years)
Tom Brands: 10 top 10 finishes in 12 years as a head coach; mean finish 4.5; median finish 3.5; three titles (one every four years)
JRob: 22 top 10 finishes in 30 years as a head coach; mean finish 6.4; median finish 7; three titles (one every 10 years)
Or just considering their first 10 years as a head coach:
Cael: 10/10, mean 3.0; median 1.5; five titles
Smith: 9/10; mean 4.3; median 3; one title
Brands: 8/10; mean 4.7; median 3.5; three titles
JRob: 4/10; mean 9.4; median 11; 0 titles
Easy guys, Jammies did give us the 1921 Championship, the unofficial one before the NCAA took over college wrestling in 1928. Either that, or he's predicting another for us in 2017 
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From his post;
NCAA team Titles
Minnesota 3
PSU..........7
.From his post;
NCAA team Titles
Minnesota 3
PSU..........7
Easy guys, Jammies did give us the 1921 Championship, the unofficial one before the NCAA took over college wrestling in 1928. Either that, or he's predicting another for us in 2017
From his post;
NCAA team Titles
Minnesota 3
PSU..........7
From Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penn_State_Nittany_Lions_wrestling
The opening sentence says ...the Nittany Lions have won five of the last six NCAA titles and seven total national championships.
Are Penn State fans inflating their stats again?
The facts are what the facts are...and both 6 and 7 are more than 3.
Why aren't you counting all the National Duals titles? That would make JRob an icon greater than Gable or Cael.
Well, in your world maybe, but not in Jammies. He did preface the discussion by saying "on my world". Facts are facts Roar. We need to accept them for the perceived value they impart.
Which is none.
Was that before Gable and him parted ways because JRob wasn't able to "wet his beak" from camp revenues as much as he thought he should?
Fixed it for Jammen.
You got it backwards. It was J's camp that the U of Iowa wanted to muscle in on. The Iowa admin didn't do Gable any favors with that moronic move. Gable won 7 titles in 8 years with JRob, but only 8 titles in 13 years after .
Only 8 in 13 years? Yikes. Some have to dig deep to grasp at straws.
They should have sent LogieBear in his place in 1972!!! He would have surrendered negative points, not just Zero like Gable
Not sure why Penn State does not claim 1921 as a national championship, as I believe 3 of Oklahoma States 34, that they claim, were unofficial as well.Easy guys, Jammies did give us the 1921 Championship, the unofficial one before the NCAA took over college wrestling in 1928. Either that, or he's predicting another for us in 2017
From his post;
NCAA team Titles
Minnesota 3
PSU..........7
So what you're saying is that we will pass Iowa in 2033 rather than 2034. Got it.
All 34 were 1928, or after...
1928 Oklahoma State E.C. Gallagher
1929 Oklahoma State E.C. Gallagher
1930 Oklahoma State E.C. Gallagher
1931 Oklahoma State E.C. Gallagher
1933 Iowa State/ Oklahoma State Hugo Otopali/E.C. Gallagher
1934 Oklahoma State E.C. Gallagher
1935 Oklahoma State E.C. Gallagher
1937 Oklahoma State E.C. Gallagher
1938 Oklahoma State E.C. Gallagher
1939 Oklahoma State E.C. Gallagher
1940 Oklahoma State E.C. Gallagher
1941 Oklahoma State Art Griffith
1942 Oklahoma State Art Griffith
1946 Oklahoma State Art Griffith
1948 Oklahoma State Art Griffith
1949 Oklahoma State Art Griffith
1954 Oklahoma State Art Griffith
1955 Oklahoma State Art Griffith
1956 Oklahoma State Art Griffith
1958 Oklahoma State Myron Roderick
1959 Oklahoma State Myron Roderick
1961 Oklahoma State Myron Roderick
1962 Oklahoma State Myron Roderick
1964 Oklahoma State Myron Roderick
1966 Oklahoma State Myron Roderick
1968 Oklahoma State Myron Roderick
1971 Oklahoma State Tommy Chesbro
1989 Oklahoma State Joe Seay
1990 Oklahoma State Joe Seay
1994 Oklahoma State John Smith
2003 Oklahoma State John Smith
2004 Oklahoma State John Smith
2005 Oklahoma State John Smith
2006 Oklahoma State John Smith
