Gameplan for Vincenzo?
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He has to attack the leg. He clearly can't go upper body with Alex who is incredibly strong with great throw defense.
No upper body. Marinelli doesn't stand straight up like IMAR. Get to legs and ride him as long as you can. Rinse and repeat.
Key Point is obviously avoid going upper body, the Bull will win that every time. Get ready to practice physically as well.
This is a losers mentality but I'll say it anyways: be sure to root for Logan Massa if he is on the Bull's side .... lol
I remember in 2016, being SO SO happy Thomas Gilman beat NATO in the semis because I was VERY confident Nico would be able to beat Gilman but not NATO in the finals. (and I wanted nothing more than for Nico to win his finally) Not saying Cenzo can't beat the Bull but he doesn't match up well against him it appears.
This is a losers mentality but I'll say it anyways: be sure to root for Logan Massa if he is on the Bull's side .... lol
I remember in 2016, being SO SO happy Thomas Gilman beat NATO in the semis because I was VERY confident Nico would be able to beat Gilman but not NATO in the finals. (and I wanted nothing more than for Nico to win his finally) Not saying Cenzo can't beat the Bull but he doesn't match up well against him it appears.
Don't go for anything big during a zero/zero match. Get to the single leg. VJ has a quickness advantage and needs to use it. I will pick Joseph to win it still as he has proven to be a tough out in the big tournament. The re shot was there a couple of times and he didn't pull the trigger.
Well, this is deja vu all over again. Same thing happened last year. Marinelli is gonna be a tough out no matter how you slice it but VJ has shown his ability to adapt and he's a big time wrestler when the brightest lights go on.
Still the favorite in my book but it will be tougher this time around
Still the favorite in my book but it will be tougher this time around
I wouldn't say "deja vu" cause Cenzo was convincingly controlling that match last year and forced a move (I think he wanted the major to make a statement) that wasn't necessary. Albeit, I think Marinelli was tired of hearing about how he didn't win that match and Cenzo lost it.
This year, the Bull was controlling the match completely even before he hit the trip. He was the physical and aggressive one. When it was 0-0 at the end of the first, I was convinced the Bull was going to win. Cenzo needs to match that physicality and aggression.
If they meet in the finals, I would say almost nobody would say Cenzo is the favorite. The Bull is 2-0 against him and has beaten him (hitting a 6 point move both times) @ the BJC and in the B1G Finals .... which IMO is perfect, just the way Cenzo would want it.
Not gonna lose any sleep over it. Both guys have to get to the matchup, and I wouldn’t bet against VJ if it happens. And if Marinelli wins again, it’ll just be because he’s better again.
He needs to wrestle Bull differently than he wrestled Imar in the past. They present two distinctly different challenges that Cenzo needs to figure out. Imar had a high center of gravity and was more susceptible to Cenzo's Inside trip. Especially when he felt challenged by Cenzo in a double over/under hook lock up. Bull on the other hand has an anvil for hips. He's also pretty strong upper body as well. The body lock that worked on Imar clearly doesn't work on Bull. Cenzo needs to attack below the knee from space. He needs an ankle pick clinic with Cael, DT, and Jason. Get Bull thinking attacks are coming below the knee, and maybe you catch him with a dump or trip.
Are we forgetting Marsteller in this mix? What if Bull draws Chance early on?
Would not be surprised if Cenzo spends a lot of time wrestling Casey this week.
I am biased certainly but I didnt see a quickness advantage yesterday. Marinelli looks much faster with a healthy knee.
The Bull has Cenzo's number. It is strange though. I watched the bull against the tall kid from Minny and that kid was all over him. He rode him like donkey most of the match. He lost by a point to the Bull but Marinelli looked completely gassed at the end of that match. To tell you the truth, I would definitely test Marinelli endurance. In the matches I have seen, he always looks very tired at the end. That is why most of his matches are low scoring 1-2 point victories.
This might be the best thing to happen to Cenzo. The poison dwarfs and the bull are going to expect Cenzo to do the same thing against him again but if Cenzo changes things up and starts going for the legs and gets him on the mat I think he can ride him hard and wear him out.
I would get with Bo and review what Bo did against Gabe Dean two years ago. Dean was a huge Bull and much stronger than Bo but Bo was able to weather the storm and take Dean out of his game and get in his head which resulted in victory. Marinelli is no where near as talented as Gabe Dean but I think the same game plan will work against him. No more inside trips!! That will be the death of you against Marinelli!
Think low. The upper body strength Joseph has against most wrestlers isn't happening in this match up. Pick up the pace and attack the legs.
Marinelli has a brutal post to high crotch. Cenzo is going to have to be on the elbow control so that he can't get to that. Cenzo has plenty of go to moves from his feet. He need to stick to attacking the legs and stay out of the upper body stuff. He should have bailed on the TD instead of trying to go upper body after Marinelli go to his high crotch. That would have saved him the 4NF. The second attempt at the upper bod and the inside trip was out of desperation. He had no choice. Not a lot of time and he needed a feet to back. Marinelli knew it was coming and made him pay with that late TD.
Control the elbow in the ties and get to his leg attacks. That's where Cenzo will win.
Control the elbow in the ties and get to his leg attacks. That's where Cenzo will win.
VJ is 0-2 with double overs. When faced with them the Bull immediately goes to a body lock.
In desperation time I think VJ could still successfuly go upper body but definitely not from his favorite double overs which puts him higher than Marinelli, naturally placing Marinelli in a more advantageous lower solid foundation.
Have you noticed how broad AMs base is? this is also why VJs elevator didn't work.
I would much rather VJ focus on a heavy dose of head outside singles to both sides. He is both quick enough an strong enough to win more than 50% of them and with that the match.
I totally agree that neither of them can ignore Marsteller. 165 is a train wreck much like 133, and it is not a given they will meet up again even from opposite sides of the bracket. The seeding will be interesting with the semis almost as tough as the finals.
Net net I think for VJ and Cassar the key to victory is higher volume shooting. I would to throw Hall into that same conversation if it weren't for his defensive wizardry but vs Zahid, if it happens, he needs to shoot.
In desperation time I think VJ could still successfuly go upper body but definitely not from his favorite double overs which puts him higher than Marinelli, naturally placing Marinelli in a more advantageous lower solid foundation.
Have you noticed how broad AMs base is? this is also why VJs elevator didn't work.
I would much rather VJ focus on a heavy dose of head outside singles to both sides. He is both quick enough an strong enough to win more than 50% of them and with that the match.
I totally agree that neither of them can ignore Marsteller. 165 is a train wreck much like 133, and it is not a given they will meet up again even from opposite sides of the bracket. The seeding will be interesting with the semis almost as tough as the finals.
Net net I think for VJ and Cassar the key to victory is higher volume shooting. I would to throw Hall into that same conversation if it weren't for his defensive wizardry but vs Zahid, if it happens, he needs to shoot.
I didn't see it either which is the problem for VJ. I think it is there and it is a fairly large margin- Joseph let the Bull dictate the match and turn it into a power game where anyone except Imar is at a disadvantage. The attacks last year Joseph used to build a lead are still readily available. I would expect an adjustment but the Bull won't be an easy guy to takedown no matter the adjustment.
Bull doesnt have IMars ego either. I dont think IMar respected Cenzo as much as he should have going into each NCAA appearance, especially the 2nd time. I think that Imar much like the rest of wrestling thought that the 1st finals appearance was a fluke, since he had beaten him 2 or 3 other times.
Bull isnt like that. That kid is grounded in what seems all things. He is a tough SOB too.
As for cenzo it seems elementary but he needs to get the first TD. Which means getting to his offense early and not letting Bull dictate the match.
Easy to say from a keyboard, but something says he will be ready to go come saturday night.
You are biased
but that does not make you wrong in this case. Marinelli is the favorite but no one is going to have an easy path to the finals. I would love to see another match-up between these 2.
Bull post match saying "you think he'd learn" - behind the pay wall.
https://www.flowrestling.org/events...-championship/videos?playing=6393944&limit=60
funny seeing Imar in the screen observing the Iowa celebration
https://www.flowrestling.org/events...-championship/videos?playing=6393944&limit=60
funny seeing Imar in the screen observing the Iowa celebration
I think Cenzo has learned now .... I don't think Cenzo underestimated Bull as an opponent as a whole but I think he did think he would still win the upper body cause the first match, he said it himself, he felt he was the reason he lost that exchange.
Now he knows the Bull has a distinct advantage in upper body between his lower stature and his pure strength - he has to find another avenue to win.
#1 for VJ, he has to swallow his pride.
He needs to admit to himself that Bull is pretty darn good at doing Bull things, and stop trying to prove he can beat him at his own game.
Like others have said, Cenzo has more in his arsenal than double-overs and an inside trip.
He needs to admit to himself that Bull is pretty darn good at doing Bull things, and stop trying to prove he can beat him at his own game.
Like others have said, Cenzo has more in his arsenal than double-overs and an inside trip.
The Bull seems very likable. Good job by him and good luck against the field minus VJ.
I look forward to seeing Marinelli face Mekhi Lewis in the quarters and then Chance or Shields in the semis.
VJ obviously had a huge challenge ahead of him. But if he finds a way to win another title in Pittsburgh, he'll be a three time champion without winning a conference tourney, and as the underdog each year.
Based on his track record, I'd say he has the rest of the field exactly where he wants them.
Based on his track record, I'd say he has the rest of the field exactly where he wants them.
Score more points than his opponent, that's the plan
Thank you Joe Willie Namath. Insert devil emoticon (which rivals doesn;t have any more) here.
This thread seems to indicate a certain degree of doubt in Cenzo. Are most of you picking Marinelli to beat him again?
I don't see a drastic change he needs to make. He made a mistake and gave up a 6 point move. That's a match changer. The second time he lost the upper body doesn't matter, that was a desperation hail mary attempt.
I'm taking Cenzo in Pittsburgh and I'm not more or less confident given this loss. If anything, it showed him something.
I don't see a drastic change he needs to make. He made a mistake and gave up a 6 point move. That's a match changer. The second time he lost the upper body doesn't matter, that was a desperation hail mary attempt.
I'm taking Cenzo in Pittsburgh and I'm not more or less confident given this loss. If anything, it showed him something.
You're right, I'm being a pessimist definitely and funny enough, I have no idea why ....
Cael and his guys have come through in March over and over and over again, you'd think I'd have just learned by now to stop doubting but ...
Nahhhhh, I'll still be a pessimist.
Cael and his guys have come through in March over and over and over again, you'd think I'd have just learned by now to stop doubting but ...
Nahhhhh, I'll still be a pessimist.
The thing I thought was important is that Marinelli’s heavy hands were bothering Cenzo early on. Marinelli really controlled the hand fight and didn’t allow Cenzo to wrestle from space.
Other than that I think everyone here nailed it. Hoping that someone else beats Marinelli is the best option then if that fails don’t go upper body.
Other than that I think everyone here nailed it. Hoping that someone else beats Marinelli is the best option then if that fails don’t go upper body.
I agree, I thought the heavy hands really set the tone and possibly threw Cenzo off a bit
165 is loaded, neither guy better focus on each other, or the match-up may not happen. I'd love to see a Joseph / Marinelli final. That would be fun!
You obviously don't watch much of Marinelli. He has one of the most notorious tanks in all of college wrestling and a very high bonus rate (wouldn't be surprised if it's higher than Cenzo's honestly). The Wick matchup is weird and not indicative of Marinelli's style.
got to keep in mind we don't want a slugfest. just good clean wrestling
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