Gerrit Cole

[ras5051]

As a pirates fan, I must say, it was easy to root for the nats w/ Gerrit Cole on the other side. He's got to be one of the most unlikeable athletes out there.

Gerrit Cole already disowning Astros: ‘I’m not employed by the team’

No idea how to check to see if links post properly on here, but here it is:
https://nypost.com/2019/10/31/gerrit-cole-already-disowning-astros-im-not-employed-by-team/

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

As a pirates fan, I must say, it was easy to root for the nats w/ Gerrit Cole on the other side. He's got to be one of the most unlikeable athletes out there.

Gerrit Cole already disowning Astros: ‘I’m not employed by the team’

No idea how to check to see if links post properly on here, but here it is:
https://nypost.com/2019/10/31/gerrit-cole-already-disowning-astros-im-not-employed-by-team/

Is he a free agent now? If so, isn't he right? As a Pirates fan I too was happy to see the Astros lose.

 

[BrucePa]

Classic Boras client. Show me the money. F*ck the game, the team, the fans, the world. Show me the money.

 

[fairfaxlion2]

Sounds like a jerk but why did his manager go through about 4 other pitchers while he was just sitting there, losing the series in the process. Was he saving him for Game 8?

 

[Raffycorn]

Cole is a hell of a pitcher. He also is an employee who is paid in exchange for the work he does. Why shouldn’t he try to get as much as he can, for as long as he can? He knows just like the rest of us, the moment he stops providing surplus value to the team (whatever team it is), they’ll cut him in a heartbeat. Loyalty goes both ways or it goes zero ways.

Hope to see him in Philadelphia next year. Cole and Nola would be a heck of a combo.

 

[BrucePa]

Cole is a hell of a pitcher. He also is an employee who is paid in exchange for the work he does. Why shouldn’t he try to get as much as he can, for as long as he can? He knows just like the rest of us, the moment he stops providing surplus value to the team (whatever team it is), they’ll cut him in a heartbeat. Loyalty goes both ways or it goes zero ways.

Hope to see him in Philadelphia next year. Cole and Nola would be a heck of a combo.

Be careful what you wish for. One Boras client already chased the money and landed in Philadelphia, and in Washington they are reveling in a Bryceless World Series victory.

 

[Ceasar]

Sounds like a jerk but why did his manager go through about 4 other pitchers while he was just sitting there, losing the series in the process. Was he saving him for Game 8?

Yep, one of the most mismanaged games I have ever seen.

 

[cavic]

Is he a free agent now? If so, isn't he right? As a Pirates fan I too was happy to see the Astros lose.

It's his right, but don't you agree that it's a complete dick move?

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

It's his right, but don't you agree that it's a complete dick move?

Yeah, but sounds like he was joking/being playful...

“I’m not employed by the team,” declared the right-hander, who then relented, “I guess as a representative of myself …” and placed himself in front of a group of reporters.

It presented like an odd mix of annoyance and playfulness.

 

[bcspsu]

Cole is a hell of a pitcher. He also is an employee who is paid in exchange for the work he does. Why shouldn’t he try to get as much as he can, for as long as he can? He knows just like the rest of us, the moment he stops providing surplus value to the team (whatever team it is), they’ll cut him in a heartbeat. Loyalty goes both ways or it goes zero ways.

Hope to see him in Philadelphia next year. Cole and Nola would be a heck of a combo.

He's either going to sign with the Yankees or one of the LA teams, you almost can count on it.

 

[LionJim]

Cole is a hell of a pitcher. He also is an employee who is paid in exchange for the work he does. Why shouldn’t he try to get as much as he can, for as long as he can? He knows just like the rest of us, the moment he stops providing surplus value to the team (whatever team it is), they’ll cut him in a heartbeat. Loyalty goes both ways or it goes zero ways.

Hope to see him in Philadelphia next year. Cole and Nola would be a heck of a combo.

Well, yeah, we can all agree that he's in a business but the way he went about it last night was a complete turn off.

Harper chased the money too but did it so a relatively gracious manner and didn't insult the Nationals or their fans. He's tweeted some very nice things about the Nationals this past month.

 

[Aardvark86]

As a pirates fan, I must say, it was easy to root for the nats w/ Gerrit Cole on the other side. He's got to be one of the most unlikeable athletes out there.

Gerrit Cole already disowning Astros: ‘I’m not employed by the team’

No idea how to check to see if links post properly on here, but here it is:
https://nypost.com/2019/10/31/gerrit-cole-already-disowning-astros-im-not-employed-by-team/

...and that there is a perfect illustration of why the Nationals won and the Astros didn't.

 

[LionJim]

Yeah, but sounds like he was joking/being playful...
.

Maybe you're right, but it certainly didn't seem that way to me.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

Maybe you're right, but it certainly didn't seem that way to me.

Dunno - that was what the journalist wrote. I'm sure he was frustrated since they bothered to have him throw a bit. That said, I'm more focused on keeping Stras .

 

[Aardvark86]

Be careful what you wish for. One Boras client already chased the money and landed in Philadelphia, and in Washington they are reveling in a Bryceless World Series victory.

...well, yes, and we are also leery of a Rendon-less or Strasburg-less 2020.

 

[Aardvark86]

Maybe you're right, but it certainly didn't seem that way to me.

I didn't take it as playful, and I didn't really take it as mercenary either. I took it as he was actually pretty pissed at losing and didn't want to talk to the media about it (since he didn't ultimately pitch) if he didn't have to. That's perfectly understandable.

BUT, interesting word and fashion choices to express that sentiment.

 

[LionJim]

...and that there is a perfect illustration of why the Nationals won and the Astros didn't.

I'm absolutely biased but I think the Nationals had a rare camaraderie that really made a difference. It was a much closer team with Bryce gone, I thought. I'm not saying that Bryce was a bad teammate or bad in the clubhouse, it was just that with him around everything was about Bryce Harper. That's not his fault, though.

 

[WestSideLion]

Cole is a hell of a pitcher. He also is an employee who is paid in exchange for the work he does. Why shouldn’t he try to get as much as he can, for as long as he can? He knows just like the rest of us, the moment he stops providing surplus value to the team (whatever team it is), they’ll cut him in a heartbeat. Loyalty goes both ways or it goes zero ways.

Hope to see him in Philadelphia next year. Cole and Nola would be a heck of a combo.

Maybe bring back Hamels so you could go Cole-Nola-Cole-Jake?

 

[bvillebaron]

Sounds like a jerk but why did his manager go through about 4 other pitchers while he was just sitting there, losing the series in the process. Was he saving him for Game 8?

The manager explained it—he was only going to use him in the 9th yo close out the game. As far as Cole is concerned, yes he is a free agent, but to say you are not an employee of the Astros and put on a Boras hat immediately after the Astros lost the 7th game of the World Series was bush league.

 

[Aardvark86]

I'm absolutely biased but I think the Nationals had a rare camaraderie that really made a difference. It was a much closer team with Bryce gone, I thought. I'm not saying that Bryce was a bad teammate or bad in the clubhouse, it was just that with him around everything was about Bryce Harper. That's not his fault, though.

Yes, yes, and yes!!!

Culture is SO much more important than analytics or tactics and sometimes even talent. This is what Davey Martinez brought to the table. In football "next man up" basically refers to how the game grinds through guys and the next guy has to be ready to be a cog in the machine. In baseball, it refers to relying on -- nay, trusting -- the next guy to the job when you don't get it done, in a game premised on majority-failure. That's what the Nats had, and it was born of early season adversity.

I agree, Bryce is actually a pretty good person. He probably needed another year developmentally to get the diva out of him and get baseball values into him, but he's got it now, and the Phils will be pleased to have him over time.

 

[The Spin Meister]

Sounds like a jerk but why did his manager go through about 4 other pitchers while he was just sitting there, losing the series in the process. Was he saving him for Game 8?

Well, he hasn't pitched in relief since he was in college. And he was the starter on Sun and went pretty long. Being a hardball thrower, that has to affect his arm. Not sure I would have used him at all.

 

[bdgan]

He's either going to sign with the Yankees or one of the LA teams, you almost can count on it.

Cole would be a lot more affordable for the Yankees if they weren't still paying $21 million per year for Jacoby Ellsbury.

I doubt that the Yankees will resign DiDi - $12m but other salaries take a big jump.
Judge $684k to $6.4m
Sanchez $670k to $5.6m
Urshella $535k to $2.2m

 

[Art]

Cole would be a lot more affordable for the Yankees if they weren't still paying $21 million per year for Jacoby Ellsbury.

They can afford it.

 

[bdgan]

They can afford it.

That doesn't mean they're willing to afford it. You might notice that they didn't get make any deals before the trade deadline. They've had a goal of avoiding the luxury tax. They'll definitely try for Cole but they won't do it with an unlimited pocketbook.

 

[Madsol]

Cole is a hell of a pitcher. He also is an employee who is paid in exchange for the work he does. Why shouldn’t he try to get as much as he can, for as long as he can? He knows just like the rest of us, the moment he stops providing surplus value to the team (whatever team it is), they’ll cut him in a heartbeat. Loyalty goes both ways or it goes zero ways.

Hope to see him in Philadelphia next year. Cole and Nola would be a heck of a combo.

Not sure about the "cut him in a heartbeat" thing. This isn't the NFL.

 

[LeatherHelmets]

If the Astors would have won, would he have pulled this same damn stunt? Highly doubtful. The fact that he had this planned out to ear the Team Boros hat shows what type of person he is. Same category as Antonio Brown to me.

 

[LemonEars]

If the Astors would have won, would he have pulled this same damn stunt? Highly doubtful. The fact that he had this planned out to ear the Team Boros hat shows what type of person he is. Same category as Antonio Brown to me.

Before I read your post I was thinking the same thing. Cole has an Antonio Brown streak in him.

 

[Ceasar]

Cole would be a lot more affordable for the Yankees if they weren't still paying $21 million per year for Jacoby Ellsbury.

I doubt that the Yankees will resign DiDi - $12m but other salaries take a big jump.
Judge $684k to $6.4m
Sanchez $670k to $5.6m
Urshella $535k to $2.2m

You are probably right that the Yanks will not be serious players for Cole. It is interesting that in recent year the Yankees have passed on elite pitchers in Sherzer, Sale and Verlander and watched the Nats, Red Sox and Astros win the world series. Yet they took on Stanton's contract..... makes no sense.

 

[BrucePa]

You are probably right that the Yanks will not be serious players for Cole. It is interesting that in recent year the Yankees have passed on elite pitchers in Sherzer, Sale and Verlander and watched the Nats, Red Sox and Astros win the world series. Yet they took on Stanton's contract..... makes no sense.

The Yankees won 100 games in 2018 and 2019, and they lost to the Astros this year because of poor hitting with runners in scoring position, not because of pitching.

While it would be nice to add an ace, they will start the season with a new pitching coach and a top 3 of Severino, Paxton, and German. While German might sit out a few months because of the domestic violence investigation, the bottom 3 of the rotation will be Tanaka, Happ, and Jordan Montgomery.

Sure, they need an ace pitcher at the top of the rotation, but they do not want to go over the luxury tax limit. Why? Because when you pay Cole or Strasburg $30+ million a year, you end up paying $45 million because of the luxury tax, and the extra money just goes into the Pirates or Orioles owners' pockets.

 

[bdgan]

You are probably right that the Yanks will not be serious players for Cole. It is interesting that in recent year the Yankees have passed on elite pitchers in Sherzer, Sale and Verlander and watched the Nats, Red Sox and Astros win the world series. Yet they took on Stanton's contract..... makes no sense.

The Yankees will definitely be a serious player. I just think there's a limit to what they're willing to pay.

 

[nits74]

Before I read your post I was thinking the same thing. Cole has an Antonio Brown streak in him.

That may be going a little too far, but yeah, I never liked him when he was with the Bucs.

 

[Ceasar]

The Yankees won 100 games in 2018 and 2019, and they lost to the Astros this year because of poor hitting with runners in scoring position, not because of pitching.

While it would be nice to add an ace, they will start the season with a new pitching coach and a top 3 of Severino, Paxton, and German. While German might sit out a few months because of the domestic violence investigation, the bottom 3 of the rotation will be Tanaka, Happ, and Jordan Montgomery.

Sure, they need an ace pitcher at the top of the rotation, but they do not want to go over the luxury tax limit. Why? Because when you pay Cole or Strasburg $30+ million a year, you end up paying $45 million because of the luxury tax, and the extra money just goes into the Pirates or Orioles owners' pockets.

IMO the Yanks continue to be a team that is built for 162 games, not for a short series. They will definitely win around 100 games because their offense will dominate poor and medicre pitching, which is most pitching. But they won't beat teams that have rotations with guys like Sale, Price, Eovaldi (last year) or Cole, Verlander, Greinke (this year).
I agree there is no need to exceed the luxury tax. I just meant the Yanks seem to prioritze spending big money on power hitters over stud pitchers and I think that's a mistake. IMO the Yanks should jettison Stanton in favor of a guy like Adam Eaton who is an all around player, get rid of Sanchez in favor of a good defensive catcher, make Andujar their DH while letting him learn to play 1B, resign Gregorious, and try to become a more complete team that can win with great defense and great starting pitching, not just a great bullpen and a great power hitting team. Just my .02.

 

[PAgeologist]

Not sure about the "cut him in a heartbeat" thing. This isn't the NFL.

Plus aren't baseball contracts guaranteed?

 

[BrucePa]

Plus aren't baseball contracts guaranteed?

They most certainly are.

 

[Madsol]

Plus aren't baseball contracts guaranteed?

Yeah, that's what I meant. Baseball players aren't getting cut. Unless the team just wants to pay hundreds of millions of dollars for nothing.

 

[psuno1]

He's either going to sign with the Yankees or one of the LA teams, you almost can count on it.

So was Harper.

 

[psuno1]

Maybe bring back Hamels so you could go Cole-Nola-Cole-Jake?

Then eflin your 5th starter.

 

[Art]

Yeah, that's what I meant. Baseball players aren't getting cut. Unless the team just wants to pay hundreds of millions of dollars for nothing.

Problem is that some of them simply can't play anymore as is the case with Ellsbury. So he'll stay on IR for the duration of his contract. He gets paid, but he doesn't take an active roster spot.

 

[WestSideLion]

Then eflin your 5th starter.

It has the makings of a radically-improved rotation. One can dream.

 

[PAgeologist]

Problem is that some of them simply can't play anymore as is the case with Ellsbury. So he'll stay on IR for the duration of his contract. He gets paid, but he doesn't take an active roster spot.

I could be wrong, but I believe that at one time the Yankees were paying a salary for players that weren't playing anymore that was more than most teams active roster salary.