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Has anyone checked on Paul Finebaum?

I just saw a clip from this morning

He admitted TN was the worst loss. But he followed that up with at least TN did something to earn it. 🤣
 
He contradicted himself 3 or 4 times in 5 min. Tenn earned it but was not competitive. Tried to say Ala would have been more competitive.... but they did not earn it.. He was crapping on Cignetti because he was talking. Cignetti did not lose twice to unranked 6-6 teams. Ala Ole Miss should have won their easy games and they would be playing. They didnt.

On the show they did make a solid point. Maybe it should only be 8 teams... the last 4 are a drop off.
 
He contradicted himself 3 or 4 times in 5 min. Tenn earned it but was not competitive. Tried to say Ala would have been more competitive.... but they did not earn it.. He was crapping on Cignetti because he was talking. Cignetti did not lose twice to unranked 6-6 teams. Ala Ole Miss should have won their easy games and they would be playing. They didnt.

On the show they did make a solid point. Maybe it should only be 8 teams... the last 4 are a drop off.

The problem with going to 8 teams is the assumption the committee will pick the top 8. They could still pick Indiana , smu and Tennessee.
 
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no matter how many teams are in the playoff, there will always be complaints that any team close but missing out should have gotten in. There are complaints with the NCAA basketball tournament every year and no one thinks any team left out has even a slight shot to win.

The reality is that sure you can make an argument for Bama or USCe to get in over SMU but none of them really “deserved” to be contending for a CFP title this year. I shed no tears for any team excluded - they simply needed to win games that they lost and that is in their control and they have no one to blame for it.

A 12 team playoff is big enough that the fringe teams aren’t that great to the extent that they seem like true contenders.
 
no matter how many teams are in the playoff, there will always be complaints that any team close but missing out should have gotten in. There are complaints with the NCAA basketball tournament every year and no one thinks any team left out has even a slight shot to win.

The reality is that sure you can make an argument for Bama or USCe to get in over SMU but none of them really “deserved” to be contending for a CFP title this year. I shed no tears for any team excluded - they simply needed to win games that they lost and that is in their control and they have no one to blame for it.

A 12 team playoff is big enough that the fringe teams aren’t that great to the extent that they seem like true contenders.

Well said.
The complaints about who makes the final 4 will never stop no matter how big the group.
There are complaints every year for the NCAA basketball tournament.

Personally I prefer extra teams from outside the SEC/BigTen. I don't want to see the same teams playing eachother again, or for a third time in some instances.

Use the final four teams to get outsiders.
Let the conferences figure out how they want to get their top two teams in. Voila.

LdN
 
The SEC isn't the SEC with Saban's Alabama in it any more.

It never was. This argument that winning titles means the whole conference is great was always garbage used to inflate the sec. We see how quickly that standard did not apply to the big ten after last season.
 
I find it amazing how the south is acting in year 1 of the playoffs. For almost 2 decades the SEC benefitted from ESPN propaganda and media favoritism. Every year they got more greedy demanding 2 or 3 teams in out of 4. Pretzel logic was used for teams like 2 loss LSU, and replays of the SEC champ game. SEC losses were always considered good.

Now for the first time in a long time, their teams didn't produce and they aren't front and center. Instead, it is immediate whining. Like spoiled children -- and it shows what was going on with the subjective bull$hit the whole time the last 20 years.
 
The problem with going to 8 teams is the assumption the committee will pick the top 8. They could still pick Indiana , smu and Tennessee.
Only issue with 8 is if you want 5 conference champs, who deserve to get in or it is a total invitational
 
If the playoffs drop to 8 teams, the 9 & 10 teams will Lane Kiffin all day long. So we’ll be in the same boat. Alabama and Ole Miss are huge underdogs to win the natty. So them being left out really doesn’t feel that bad at all. The only argument Alabama has is simply that they’re Alabama. Cause their actual resume sucks.

Going forward, I think the conf champs getting automatic playoff bids is completely fine. But they should def not be the top 4 seeds. The teams should be ranked. Top 12 make the playoffs. If conf champs are outside the top 12, they usurp the bottom of the rankings and the seeding goes directly from the rankings. This year’s bracket is grossly lopsided because ASU and BSU should not be 3 & 4 and OSU should not have been 8.
 
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If any SEC fans are going to whine that the blowouts showed that SMU, Indiana, or Clemson shouldn’t have been in the playoff then they have to say the exact same about Tennessee. No cherry picking or special privileges because they’re an SEC team.
I think that the bottom line of this discussion is the fact that the 1st round of the CFP produced no compelling games.

Everyone wants to charge a premium for the consumption of this new playoff product. And while I'm very pleased with the outcome of our game, from a general fan consumption viewpoint I'm not certain everyone would share our viewpoint.

And moving forward with the bowl game matchups, if those games prove to be noncompetitive as well. It will be difficult to get both fan bases to travel and show up for neutral site bowl games if the games are all like the 1st 4.
 
Only issue with 8 is if you want 5 conference champs, who deserve to get in or it is a total invitational
Having 3 at large bids seems like a bigger problem. ND needs to join a conference. And there are a lot of B10 teams having down years right now that won’t be the case in the future. Michigan. USC. Possibly Washington, Wisconsin. SEC also has teams that are underperforming. I don’t think 8 teams is the answer people think it is.
 
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He contradicted himself 3 or 4 times in 5 min. Tenn earned it but was not competitive. Tried to say Ala would have been more competitive.... but they did not earn it.. He was crapping on Cignetti because he was talking. Cignetti did not lose twice to unranked 6-6 teams. Ala Ole Miss should have won their easy games and they would be playing. They didnt.

On the show they did make a solid point. Maybe it should only be 8 teams... the last 4 are a drop off.

There's always a "dropoff" in the second-half seeding of any bracket weather it be 16 or 32. Obviously, the gap widens as you enlarge the bracket (i.e., your doubling the percentage of the entire Universe you're putting into bracket - 4 teams is roughly 3% of bracket, 8 would be 6%, 16 would be 12% and 32 would be 24%.

BTW, two of the "bottom 4" are still alive thanks to the absurd 12-Team "bye" system they used - so there goes that silly argument. ASU was #12 in the Final CFP Rankings and Boise State was #9 in the Final CFP Rankings. BTW, neither Tennessee or Indiana was one of the bottom 4 ranked of the 12 teams in the Final CFP Rankings.... so there's that as well.

What they probably should have done was just fully populate a 16-Team Bracket with the Final CFP Rankings instead of using the silly 12-Team with 4 nonsensical 1st RD byes that they used. Had they just fully populated a standard 16-Team Bracket it would have eliminated all of the stuff people are complaining about as the top 8 playing at home should beat the bottom 8 unless they were pretenders in the first place (a la Tennessee).
 
Only issue with 8 is if you want 5 conference champs, who deserve to get in or it is a total invitational

Exactly, if you make it 8 with top 5 ranked Conference Champs guaranteed, you would have had Clemson (#16 CFP Ranking), ASU (#12 CFP Ranking) and Boise State (#9 CFP Ranking) all taking spots away from Top 8 Teams (including duhO$U) in an 8-Team Bracket.
 
I think that the bottom line of this discussion is the fact that the 1st round of the CFP produced no compelling games.

Everyone wants to charge a premium for the consumption of this new playoff product. And while I'm very pleased with the outcome of our game, from a general fan consumption viewpoint I'm not certain everyone would share our viewpoint.

And moving forward with the bowl game matchups, if those games prove to be noncompetitive as well. It will be difficult to get both fan bases to travel and show up for neutral site bowl games if the games are all like the 1st 4.

I think part of the problem is the ridiculous seeding rules. There’s no way conference champs should get 1st round byes. Seed the teams 1-12 like March Madness and play it off. (That would have had a Penn St vs ND game this week IIRC.).

They also need to stop this PC everyone gets a trophy mindset and start selecting teams based on who is best. Forget saving a spot for G5. As much as I hate the whiny SEC morons, 11-2 in the ACC or Mountain West doesn’t equal 11-2 in the Big or SEC. I think we’ve seen that this weekend.

Hell, 11-2 in the Big Ten and SEC doesn’t always equal 11-2 of other teams in those same conferences with unbalanced schedules. We saw that with Indiana and Tennessee.
 
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I only kind of mean this. But it should be a competition of who has the best conference champion and not a back door entry of teams that couldn’t win their conference.

Theoretically
 
Exactly, if you make it 8 with top 5 ranked Conference Champs guaranteed, you would have had Clemson (#16 CFP Ranking), ASU (#12 CFP Ranking) and Boise State (#9 CFP Ranking) all taking spots away from Top 8 Teams (including duhO$U) in an 8-Team Bracket.
You mean three of the teams that actually earned their way into the playoffs?
 
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If you stop thinking of Finebaum as a journalist and start thinking of him like a Preaidential press secretary he is easier to take. His whole job is to polish a turd. They literally stop paying him the moment he stops doing it. That doesn’t excuse his being a liar and schill, but it does explain it.
 
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Exactly, how precisely did Indiana do less than TN in terms of deserving to be in the Playoffs???
Well Tennessee beat Alabama, Florida, Miss State, Oklahoma. Indiana's best win was squeaking by a pretty bad Michigan team.

Tough timing for Tennessee. Ohio State was a sleeping giant and they're awake now. We've known all year if they play like that roster is capable of playing, they'll beat anybody. Oregon will find out shortly.

Indiana/JMU was never equipped to compete at this level, despite their idiot coach's empty bloviating.
 
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