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OK, then tell me again why he left is alma mater? After all, this was his school, he had HIS coached fired!!! He is having wonderful success. At that time they had a much better reputation then psu?

Hmmmmm, this should be good!?!?!?!?

"well you see SIR IRON, he uh um well gee, he wanted to be in the hS hotbed, er uh yea thats the ticket!!!! Was just no one else ever thought of this, and uh um the other dozen or so schools????? UH UM well, they ummmm uh , ........


YEA RIGHT!!!!
Penn State can be a better opportunity and he could have won multiple national titles had he stayed at Iowa State. The two are not mutually exclusive.
 
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Here's a good article from 40 years ago with some interesting quotes from Gable about Carver's contributions, the criticisms of those contributions and the lack of competitive balance, and what Gable thinks about those criticisms. It's pretty funny to read these today.

 
That is an incredible article..
Carver and Ira..
Gable and sanderson
I'm sure Ironbird would have claimed Gable was cheating back in the 70's like he does now.. You know just so he wouldnt be a hypocrite.
 
OK, then tell me again why he left is alma mater? After all, this was his school, he had HIS coached fired!!! He is having wonderful success. At that time they had a much better reputation then psu?

Hmmmmm, this should be good!?!?!?!?

"well you see SIR IRON, he uh um well gee, he wanted to be in the hS hotbed, er uh yea thats the ticket!!!! Was just no one else ever thought of this, and uh um the other dozen or so schools????? UH UM well, they ummmm uh , ........


YEA RIGHT!!!!

Ummmm....., Cael clearly stated why he left ISU for PSU back in 2009 after he made the decision in his inaugural PC. He stated that PSU gave him a unique opportunity to win Championships and build an unassailable dynasty no other school, including his Alma Mater, could offer - Pennsylvania wrestling. Funny how you dipshits made fun of, and laughed at, his statements back in 2009 after he made them.... prattled on about how delusional and dumb he was..... but now you're singing a different tune after every single thing Cael predicted came true - pathetic.
 
I mean...it's partly money. Or more accurately, resources in general (of which money is a very important one).

College sports has always been about, at least in part, unequal access to resources. Across virtually all sports, universities and colleges that invest the most are almost always the most successful.

Just last year, Roy Carver was presented an award by HWC and recognized as an equal founder of the club along side Dan Gable. You can easily find quotes from Gable about the resources provided by Carver and how that benefited HWC and Iowa Wrestling in general. That's just the way college athletics works.

I don't think this is inherently bad. And neither did the Iowa fans, until they weren't the best funded program anymore.
This is a good post! What was inherently bad is how they got away with using the slush fund!!!
That is an incredible article..
Carver and Ira..
Gable and sanderson
I'm sure Ironbird would have claimed Gable was cheating back in the 70's like he does now.. You know just so he wouldnt be a hypocrite.
VERY different as GABLE was not PAYING people and wrestlers off!
Ummmm....., Cael clearly stated why he left ISU for PSU back in 2009 after he made the decision in his inaugural PC. He stated that PSU gave him a unique opportunity to win Championships and build an unassailable dynasty no other school, including his Alma Mater, could offer - Pennsylvania wrestling. Funny how you dipshits made fun of, and laughed at, his statements back in 2009 after he made them.... prattled on about how delusional and dumb he was..... but now you're singing a different tune after every single thing Cael predicted came true - pathetic.
"psu gave him unique.......... READ- MONEY- and NO oversight!!!!!
 
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Does anyone recall how many freshman were starting on the 2021 PSU team? I believe it was stated on the BIG10 network that if you ever had a chance to beat PSU that was the year to do it.
 
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This is a good post! What was inherently bad is how they got away with using the slush fund!!!

VERY different as GABLE was not PAYING people and wrestlers off!

"psu gave him unique.......... READ- MONEY- and NO oversight!!!!!
Gable spend rich guy's money...GOOD! Cael spend rich guy's money...BAD!
 
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Does anyone recall how many freshman were starting on the 2021 PSU team? I believe it was stated on the BIG10 network that if you ever had a chance to beat PSU that was the year to do it.
Howard, Bartlett (up a weight at 149), Joe Lee, Starocci, Beard, and Kerkvliet.

That included a national champ and 2 7th place AAs, so 5 of the 6 qualified for nationals, half of the freshman in the starting lineup at least placed, and one won the whole thing.
 
This is a good post! What was inherently bad is how they got away with using the slush fund!!!

VERY different as GABLE was not PAYING people and wrestlers off!

"psu gave him unique.......... READ- MONEY- and NO oversight!!!!!

You're such a laughable clown - try this exercise.... count how many PA-bred AAs and National Champions Cael's direct predecessor, Troy Sunderland, had at PSU... then do the same for Cael since his arrival at PSU.
 
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Does anyone recall how many freshman were starting on the 2021 PSU team? I believe it was stated on the BIG10 network that if you ever had a chance to beat PSU that was the year to do it.
Ahhhh , and you wanna know why????? Get ready for the HARD REALITY!!!!

OH BOY is this going to blow the lid off dis bitch!!!!!

FACT is, his coaching sucks so bad that MANY more FAIL then succeed and YOU ALL can do the math!!!!
Gable spend rich guy's money...GOOD! Cael spend rich guy's money...BAD!
GABLE spent money on the HWC ONLY!!!! He never had $660K in "camp expenses!!!"
You're such a laughable clown - try this exercise.... count how many PA-bred AAs and National Champions Cael's direct predecessor, Troy Sunderland, had at PSU... then do the same for Cael since his arrival at PSU.
ANOTHER one who should NEVER be a lawyer!!!!

Sir Iron " TY your honor the defense rests!" LMAO DUH!!!!!
 
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You're such a laughable clown - try this exercise.... count how many PA-bred AAs and National Champions Cael's direct predecessor, Troy Sunderland, had at PSU... then do the same for Cael since his arrival at PSU.

Here, let me start the list for you...

Quentin Wright 4x AA, 2x NC
Ed Ruth 4x AA, 3x NC
Nico Megaludis 4x AA, 1x NC
Zain Retherford 4x AA, 3x NC
Jason Nolf 4x AA, 3x NC
Vincenzo Joseph 4x AA, 3x Finalist, 2x NC.....

I haven't even gotten to the most recent years or guys who AA'ed but did not win a title.....

Keep telling yourself that Cael didn't do exactly what he said he was going to do in 2009 - use Pennsylvania's massive talent pool to build an unassailable dynasty that would be a magnet for elite national recruits.
 
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People forget, a large part of Cael's first core was literally inherited from Sunderland.

Quentin Wright
Ed Ruth
Frank Molinaro

He truly got the most out of those guys but if that isn't an illustration of the natural pull of PSU and why Cael left for PSU ... I don't know what is.
 
This is a good post! What was inherently bad is how they got away with using the slush fund!!!

VERY different as GABLE was not PAYING people and wrestlers off!

"psu gave him unique.......... READ- MONEY- and NO oversight!!!!!
Now your just a frking clown. Get lost.
 
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My mind isn't what it use to be. Was that the year where Iowa had one National Champ to PSUs 4? That year where the Hawks became an afterthought, while all anyone wanted to talk about was the greatness of PSU wrestling and showing future elite recruits why they need to go to PSU? Was that the year guys like DeSanto, Eirman , Kem and Bull blew it after YOU assured all of us that they'd be individual champions? Is that the same year that catapulted PSU to killer recruiting classes the next 4 years while Hawk fans are still crying that PSU out recruits them every year? Was that the same year that johnstownsteel, in all his wisdom, saw chinks in the Hawks armor and told all you idiots, especially you TURD that's you'll be crying like little bitches when your heavily favored Hawks get destroyed by PSU the next season?
Yes, I believe it was that year.
 
Yep, EXACTLY how you ALL seem to twist things!!! FACT is, IOWA with FAR less top end recruits, DESTROYED you!!!

Was SOOOOO bad at B1Gs the 2nd year I figure they would fire you great leader. psu came in like 4th with ALL the talent they could buy. OH and that is why($$$$$) they had to go and spend even more!!!!LMAO.

TnT beat you with 1/5 the recruits!!! Have been saying it for a L O N G time, just get TWOOOO 1/2 and we will mop the mats with you. If we ever level the field, you will be back to irrelevant!!!!
Maybe they should recruit better. One thought; have the head coach call a high-level recruit himself.
 
Here, let me start the list for you...

Quentin Wright 4x AA, 2x NC
Ed Ruth 4x AA, 3x NC
Nico Megaludis 4x AA, 1x NC
Zain Retherford 4x AA, 3x NC
Jason Nolf 4x AA, 3x NC
Vincenzo Joseph 4x AA, 3x Finalist, 2x NC.....

I haven't even gotten to the most recent years or guys who AA'ed but did not win a title.....

Keep telling yourself that Cael didn't do exactly what he said he was going to do in 2009 - use Pennsylvania's massive talent pool to build an unassailable dynasty that would be a magnet for elite national recruits.
Not sure what list this is? Start the list of TOP kids that did not make it!!!
People forget, a large part of Cael's first core was literally inherited from Sunderland.

Quentin Wright
Ed Ruth
Frank Molinaro

He truly got the most out of those guys but if that isn't an illustration of the natural pull of PSU and why Cael left for PSU ... I don't know what is.
YES, also brought in a bunch from Iowa St do not forget, including one "very shady kid!"
Now your just a frking clown. Get lost.
Can't so smart I'll just find myself!!!!
Maybe they should recruit better. One thought; have the head coach call a high-level recruit himself.
YES and YES
Ironic that Iowa was the one that the NCAA sanctioned.
Yes NOW we are getting somewhere!!!
Witch hunt!

Very sad!
Hmmm where do we hear this often???? Seems like WE THE PEOPLE are always right about it as I remember!!!!
 
Carlton smoker I bet. Rather fight than switch. Yep, that's they.
Not sure once again what in hell this means? I assume carlton is a brand of smokes? I did know Carlton Hasilrig the legend but that is as close to I come to anything with Carlton!

You did not say anything against this terrible person and their post?
 
WOW, do I expect the "new wave WOKE peeps" on here to give you an earful for this one!!!!! Now we get to see IF these people are indeed who they say they are and IF they stand for what they say they do?????

MY bet, NOT ONE will say a thing!!! AGAIN, SIR IRON WINS on a post made by a psu "fan" who though he was being smart and witty!!!!

OK RIGHTOUS WARRIORS, yep I am calling you ALL out!!!! LOOK what this person just said here^^^^^^^^ WHAT have you got TWOOOO say????
Who are the new wave woke people on here? LOL.
 
Not sure once again what in hell this means? I assume carlton is a brand of smokes? I did know Carlton Hasilrig the legend but that is as close to I come to anything with Carlton!

You did not say anything against this terrible person and their post?
You didn't know Carlton. And if you did, you should at least give him the respect of spelling his name correctly.
 
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Who are the new wave woke people on here? LOL.
Well I guess I would start with those on here who called me out on any "girl" comments. Then I would go to the Field Hockey debacle and move on from there! As I stated then, and as I will state now. Those people are phonies!!!

They stand for nothing of any merit!!! Only in it for their own self interest or they certainly would have said something here!!!

As I said, SIR IRON wins again, because now they can not say chit to me on here because if they do. I will make them look like bigger fools then last time!!!!
You didn't know Carlton. And if you did, you should at least give him the respect of spelling his name correctly.
Oh I knew him. Wrestled in the same Regionals as he did. NOT saying we were friends or anything, but he was the best and most intimidating wrestler I ever saw! Have several funny stories about him.

One was when my teammate had to wrestle him in the regional finals. As we were getting ready for finals. My teammate was a little nervous about facing him. He said to my coach, "do you have any advise for my match?" My coach without missing a beat said. "yea, try not to get killed!"

Well we started laughing and he actually went out and hit Carlton with a fireman carry and had him on his back!!! I believe he was up 5-1 at the end of the first? You could see steam coming out of Carlton's head as the Ref kept stopping his Bar arms for potentially dangerous! Think the final was 11-5?

Then there was the year my teammate roomed with him at nationals. Carlton won and I guess they were heading out to celebrate. His coach said to him. "Now Carlton, don't get into any fights!" and he said, "don't worry coach, I won't lose!!!!"
 
Well I guess I would start with those on here who called me out on any "girl" comments. Then I would go to the Field Hockey debacle and move on from there! As I stated then, and as I will state now. Those people are phonies!!!

They stand for nothing of any merit!!! Only in it for their own self interest or they certainly would have said something here!!!

As I said, SIR IRON wins again, because now they can not say chit to me on here because if they do. I will make them look like bigger fools then last time!!!!
There is no bigger fool on here than you. LOL.
 
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Hope you guys do not DUCK some matches tonight! Will be a really bad look if you do!!!
 
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TERRIBLE look for your great leader!!! We have to make a psu cael the DUCK rule in the NCAAs!!! This is the major problem that EVERYONE has with this clown!!! Were is the HONOR, sportsmanship, CLASS!?!?!? There is NONE, he is all about gaming the system!!!

Has now DUCKED several "big" matches where IF his wrestler lost, it could effect their seed! Do NOT try and make EXCUSES either because it is very clear!

psu also had some highs and LOWS. 125 your young kid looked real good, also have to admit 165 did also although Michigan looked like CRAP!!!

The 133-184 FALLING off looks real bad and hopefully ALL possible transfers will take notice!!! Wanna go BACKWARDS well come here!!!!

141, 157, also do not look good and appear to have gotten worse! Real easy schedule TWOOOO so far so it is not the grind or anything like that!

Meanwhile IOWA just keeps getting better. AYALA was the only bad match but 125 has been like that all season and it appears will likely continue till the end!

What could have been IF people, the POS NCAA, had HONOR!!!

SHAMEFUL as ALL NCAA athletes and coaches should have took a stand against this BS once and for all!!!
 
"Please allow me to introduce myself, I am a man of wealth and taste, been around long long years" now its time for me to share my knowledge over hear!

It has been pointed out to me that I am a pretty famous celebrity over hear possible even well known with the PSU Alumni, coaching staff, wrestlers, and fans. I want to thank you all for this!!!

That being said " I come in piece, but you will LEAVE IN PIECES" if you do not follow the rules!

This thread is created to host good honest debates, and discussions about various topics but mostly WRESTLING! If you do not have any intentions of holding a good solid conversation, then please move on to another thread. We do not need you here or want you here!

Those who are in 100% agreement, you may chime in at anytime. I have plenty of good topics in mind. Training, recruiting, match prep,
"Please allow me to introduce myself, I am a

TERRIBLE look for your great leader!!! We have to make a psu cael the DUCK rule in the NCAAs!!! This is the major problem that EVERYONE has with this clown!!! Were is the HONOR, sportsmanship, CLASS!?!?!? There is NONE, he is all about gaming the system!!!

Has now DUCKED several "big" matches where IF his wrestler lost, it could effect their seed! Do NOT try and make EXCUSES either because it is very clear!

psu also had some highs and LOWS. 125 your young kid looked real good, also have to admit 165 did also although Michigan looked like CRAP!!!

The 133-184 FALLING off looks real bad and hopefully ALL possible transfers will take notice!!! Wanna go BACKWARDS well come here!!!!

141, 157, also do not look good and appear to have gotten worse! Real easy schedule TWOOOO so far so it is not the grind or anything like that!

Meanwhile IOWA just keeps getting better. AYALA was the only bad match but 125 has been like that all season and it appears will likely continue till the end!

What could have been IF people, the POS NCAA, had HONOR!!!

SHAMEFUL as ALL NCAA athletes and coaches should have took a stand against this BS once and for all!!!
Blah, blah, lips quivering, blah, blah. Didn't Mike Z have a tag line about this affliction?
 
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TERRIBLE look for your great leader!!! We have to make a psu cael the DUCK rule in the NCAAs!!! This is the major problem that EVERYONE has with this clown!!! Were is the HONOR, sportsmanship, CLASS!?!?!? There is NONE, he is all about gaming the system!!!

Has now DUCKED several "big" matches where IF his wrestler lost, it could effect their seed! Do NOT try and make EXCUSES either because it is very clear!

psu also had some highs and LOWS. 125 your young kid looked real good, also have to admit 165 did also although Michigan looked like CRAP!!!

The 133-184 FALLING off looks real bad and hopefully ALL possible transfers will take notice!!! Wanna go BACKWARDS well come here!!!!

141, 157, also do not look good and appear to have gotten worse! Real easy schedule TWOOOO so far so it is not the grind or anything like that!

Meanwhile IOWA just keeps getting better. AYALA was the only bad match but 125 has been like that all season and it appears will likely continue till the end!

What could have been IF people, the POS NCAA, had HONOR!!!

SHAMEFUL as ALL NCAA athletes and coaches should have took a stand against this BS once and for all!!!
LOL NCAA TITLES SAY DIFFERENT!good thing iowa never ducks!,you still think your guy has shot beat MM well think again!
 
Blah, blah, lips quivering, blah, blah. Didn't Mike Z have a tag line about this affliction?
What is this???
LOL NCAA TITLES SAY DIFFERENT!good thing iowa never ducks!,you still think your guy has shot beat MM well think again!
YEP EXACTLY how you guys think over here. EVERYTHING is A OK just as long as we keep gaming the system and milk it as much as possible!!! TERRIBLE way to look at it!!! Just like the NE Patriots committing rules violations and getting away with it, but it was OK because of the POS coach and POS Brady!!!!

You ALL are a JOKE!!! and YES on MY man CANDY!!!!
LOL iron you would do anything to have Cael as your coach!
NO, IOWA has the BEST coaches by a LARGE margin!!! Starting to think ceal is using the slush fund to pay people off more and more!!!!
 
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