Iowa vs Ohio State
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Marinelli is 'close' to unbeatable from Nov through the first week of March. I continue to stand by the theory his body can't handle the rigors of the big dance. Karchla is a unique talent and could catch lightning in a bottle, but he is still young and hasn't built a broad body of work against top 5 talent. If Karchla were to beat him tomorrow it wouldn't shock me, but I see this match as an 75/25 proposition in favor of the Bull.
It will be real interesting when if they face each other at Bigs for the second go. I think Karchla will benefit more from this first meeting win or lose.
It will be real interesting when if they face each other at Bigs for the second go. I think Karchla will benefit more from this first meeting win or lose.
Thanks for the update for the sake of accuracy but honestly that doesn't move the needle at all for me. I know Ramirez is now considered an AA-type wrestler, but he's another one. Great win over Griffith, but if you blacked that out of his career what are we talking about? A win over Cam Amine who he has lost to before?
Lot's of talk about 165 being so nails this year. O'Toole, Marinelli, Wick, Griffith, Wittlake. Solid AAs, one NC in there who came from the 8th seed. Nobody is untouchable. To me, O'Toole and Marinelli might be the closest to that. Beyond that, it is a bunch of guys that can be beaten. Maybe Hamiti and Karchla end up making it a stacked weight with little room on the podium, but that remains to be seen.
Maybe Berge at 165 is not so non-ideal. Are you telling me a full-strength Berge can't beat Julian Ramirez? Cam Amine? Valencia? I'm not sure where Berge is, but if Edsel is going against those guys I think he is the underdog, but I'm going in thinking he's got a shot. A full-strength Berge is a big step up from that, no disrespect to Creighton who has done a great job with the spot so far. I look at 157, guys like Kaleb Young, Will Lewan, Josh Humphries ranked in the 10-15 range. At 165 Hartman, Conigliaro, Peyton Hall - Cam Amine at 10. I don't see much difference in point-scoring potential between the two weights.
Back to the point. Maybe Karchla goes out tomorrow night and proves me wrong. But I'll wait on the hype until he does.
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IMO
Nationals points potential
Berge + Edsel > Negron + Berge
10-15 (conservatively) + 2-3 > 0-2 + 5-10
It's just that simple.
If Berge's walking around weight is 170-175 then I might be convinced otherwise.
I want to be respectful and I really like watching what Tony brings to the table. He is still very raw, but talented, and will develop a lot with another year. This year he 'probably' won't even qualify. Like Beau last year, he will likely get a very challenging draw at Bigs and will need to win twice.
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Missed those 2. So 4 of 112 matches the Bull has been taken down more than once. Or 3.6% of the time.
10-15 and then you put conservatively on it. Plus 2-3 from Creighton whose best win is 2-1 over a guy who was 0-2 at NCAAs last year. His only win over a NQ ever, if I am not mistaken. SMH
IMar 2018 too.
Marinelli is great, one of my favorites to watch. I'm not the one throwing obviously wrong stats around as facts
Sure - @ 157 assuming the cut is manageable, I think Brady is pretty much a shoe in for AA, and a legit threat for top 4. I am not yet ready to say a Brady out of retirement is primed for the finals like some on this board. Edsel qualifies and 'could' go L-W-W-L or L-W-L assuming a challenging draw, maybe get a bonus win on the backside. I am ok with your assessment being 0-2 points but at least the 0 is not automatic. Cael can do wonders and Creighton is tough and can stay in matches with some good guys. Anything can happen in the 3rd if you are within 2 points.
Up @ 165, Brady faces a meat grinder with the top 6, a real gauntlet. I think his chances of top 4 are as slight as are his chances of only blood round. More likely he has a good shot at a 6-10, I am good with a low AA prediction. As stated Negron probably doesn't qualify.
How about my stating out this way from a nationals points potential:
157 Berge > 165 Berge
165 Edsel > 157 Negron
I will give you this. 'If' Negron can eke out qualifying he may well have a higher point potential, but that comes with a legitimate if.
157 Berge > 165 Berge
165 Edsel > 157 Negron
I will give you this. 'If' Negron can eke out qualifying he may well have a higher point potential, but that comes with a legitimate if.
okay so you’re downplaying 165 depth so you feel better about berge’s point scoring potential?
kharchla also lit up mekhi. maybe that’s enough to make you think he’s legit. i don’t see how berge’s ability to beat cam amine factors into the discussion. how many people have amine placing this year?
Sigh. Fine. Massa got him x3 at 2018 B1Gs.
"Missed" implies I was out of ammo when you surrendered.
Because, yeah, Chad Walsh
I missed the fun piling on @jmadden1998
Started with Bull only gave up more than 1 takedown one time, how many are we up to now?
Started with Bull only gave up more than 1 takedown one time, how many are we up to now?
125: Ayala not sure if it’s a major but it’s close to it. 3-0 Iowa
133: Desanto by tech or Schriever by dec. I don’t think Desanto goes 6-0 Iowa
141: Eierman dec 9-0 Iowa
149: Sasso dec 9-3 Iowa
157: Young dec 12-3 Iowa
165: Bull dec 15-3 Iowa
174: Kem dec 18-3 Iowa
184: Romero dec 18-6 Iowa
197: Warner dec 21-6 Iowa
Hwt: Cass dec 24-6 Iowa
Some pretty good matches at 49, 65, 74, and 84. Other than those 4, Iowa pretty much a heavy favorite. Even with my lopsided prediction, excited to watch.
133: Desanto by tech or Schriever by dec. I don’t think Desanto goes 6-0 Iowa
141: Eierman dec 9-0 Iowa
149: Sasso dec 9-3 Iowa
157: Young dec 12-3 Iowa
165: Bull dec 15-3 Iowa
174: Kem dec 18-3 Iowa
184: Romero dec 18-6 Iowa
197: Warner dec 21-6 Iowa
Hwt: Cass dec 24-6 Iowa
Some pretty good matches at 49, 65, 74, and 84. Other than those 4, Iowa pretty much a heavy favorite. Even with my lopsided prediction, excited to watch.
When did Karchla beat Mekhi in folk? Free is a great indicator of talent but an unreliable predictor of folk results.
I think Brandy's expected NCAA production is R16 to low podium. Nothing in his career really suggests anything much different. If you can make the case that the path to that is more difficult at 157 than at 165 you're seeing something different than I am. I'm not trying to make myself feel better about anything.
I think we piled on enough. Pretty sure they accidentally buried his brain next with the real John Madden so I understand.
Boom!
So it looks like 9 matches he was taken down more than once. It’s pretty close to 2, right?
Totally agree with this post. AM is good for the sport. Seems to be a first class individual. He came in as a high recruit and as such there were high expectations and reasons for us to root against his success. If he were our guy we would really be longing for him to succeed. I hope he succeeds this year .. .as long as it doesn't impact what we need.
PS: No one needs to say if he were our guy he would have been to the top of mountain already.
You are a great sport Jmadden. Your point stands- it takes one hell of a wrestler to take the Bull down more than once in a match. It takes a hell of a wrestler to be mentioned in the conversation of a guy who could possibly beat the bull. I guess this match for me is to see exactly how great Karch is at this point because most of us will admit the bull is excellent.
I think this is how I feel about it, too. Kharchla is a elite talent who is eventually going to get his signature win that propels him permanently into the elite of the sport at his class. Is it going to be tonight against Bull? There's a chance, but the odds are probably against it this time.
If this goes on much longer, we’ll be approaching everyone takes the Bull down twice territory.
So, Chenzo‘s takedowns have lost ALL significance now, we shoulda just went with it.
