Who do you have going to the Big 10 from the ACC? Stanford is back in play by the way.
Lets Talk Big 10 Expansion
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Why don't have all schools who want to compete in professional minor league sports join one conference and let the ones who want college sports to be played by college athletes play in traditional conferences?
Virginia, UNC, Ga Tech, FSU, (maybe Miami), (ND of course would be nice).
I also think Utah, Colorado, Arizona also likely at some point. Maybe a Cal and/or Stanford. Think AFC (SEC) and NFC (B1G) end game.
All can work with reduced share payouts for some to start.
I also think Utah, Colorado, Arizona also likely at some point. Maybe a Cal and/or Stanford. Think AFC (SEC) and NFC (B1G) end game.
All can work with reduced share payouts for some to start.
AAU members in play…
ACC (8)… ND, UVA, UNC, Duke, GaTech, Miami, Cal, Stanford
SEC (2)… A&M, Missouri
Big 12 (3)… Utah, Colorado, Arizona
Depends on how big they want to go. Think they’d go to 24, when the time is right and add the first 6 mentioned from the ACC. The only value the others offer is to balance the East/West distribution. A&M could be interesting because they are not happy about Tex joining the SEC.
ACC (8)… ND, UVA, UNC, Duke, GaTech, Miami, Cal, Stanford
SEC (2)… A&M, Missouri
Big 12 (3)… Utah, Colorado, Arizona
Depends on how big they want to go. Think they’d go to 24, when the time is right and add the first 6 mentioned from the ACC. The only value the others offer is to balance the East/West distribution. A&M could be interesting because they are not happy about Tex joining the SEC.
The only non-SEC schools right now that would “move the needle” enough for the Big Ten to expand are IMHO Notre Dame, Florida St or UNC. Any other school would only be invited as a compliment to one of them.
It's always been a "professional minor league". The NFL draft solidifies that.
This is all about money even for the small schools. When the SEC/Big Ten do breakaway please tell me you're not naive enough to believe NIL still won't be in play for all other schools?
This make-believe college football you think existed hasn't ever existed in my lifetime and I'm almost 50.
Unless the goal is to get to 24 along with the SEC getting to 24 then you have a league of 48.
The SEC needs 8 and claims they're going to stay regional but will regional extend to Arizona because they're "south"
The Big Ten needs 6
The 16 teams in play for those spots IMO are:
Independent (1): Notre Dame
Big XII (6): Arizona, Baylor, Colorado, Houston, Oklahoma State and UCF
ACC (9): Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Louisville, Miami, North Carolina, NC State, Stanford and Virginia
Maybe Cal or BYU get a look but I'd be surprised.
I'd guess
SEC: Clemson, Florida State, Houston, Louisville, Miami, Norh Carolina, NC State & Oklahoma State
Big Ten: Notre Dame, Arizona, Colorado, Stanford, Georgia Tech and Virginia
MLB drafts kids out of high school. Are high schools professional minor leagues?
The MLB draft isn't typically bringing kids to the pros. They're drafted for development whether that takes place in the minors or they elect not to sign. College baseball is a minor league.
The NFL draft is about players ready to contribute day 1 and if they can't they won't have a career.
Did you think that was a valid comparison? My guess is you just refuse to accept that it's always been this way.
True. I don’t think they’d even take a ‘tag along’ school as they are just going to decrease per team payouts.
IMO ND isn’t moving until the very last minute, (before they get cut out of any future playoff). The Texas A&M rumors make no sense to me. I don’t see them ever leaving the SEC.
FSU wants out of the ACC. Take them right away. Clemson is trying to get out as well. Once those 2 leave, UNC will jump quickly IMO.
It’ll be a fight between the SEC and Big Ten for UNC. Judging from what I’ve read they’d prefer SEC given the southern connection and more regional play.
If that happens I think Miami is next in play, depending on how the financials break down.
Yes, yes you do. It's okay though--many here still can't admit the Big Ten is the best thing that ever happened to Penn State either. $$$$
I'm not sure it matters at this point. In 10-20 years, you'll see roughly 48 teams competing in an organization separate from the NCAA and separate from the rest of their schools' ADs, where conference labels matter about as much as they do in the NHL and the NFL. Whatever schools are added in the next few years will be less about the conferences as they currently exist than about who gets to be part of the 48 and who gets left out. I don't think Stanford makes that cut.
There is a huge difference between HS baseball and big time D1 college football. Major D1 football is the minor leagues except the players generally get paid more than minor league baseball players. My son was all conference baseball in HS. He got nothing as it should have been.
I can’t keep making the same DeKalb joke when you guys bring up the MAC, so I’ll just add that the perfect match for us would be the Big 12 with WVU plus Miami and Virginia Tech.
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I think what you are trying to say is, “I know you are but what am I?” I rest my case.
Yes I think it's a reasonable comparison. High school baseball players go to college for an education and to further develop their baseball skills and maybe someday go pro. That's how it used to be for football. IMO the only difference is that college football takes in a lot more money.
Today high school football players are going to college for an immediate paycheck and there is much less concern about an education.
You know who watches Stanford football? Friends and family for the most part.
Adding Stanford seems dilutive. I can't imagine the networks would pay up for Stanford or Cal.
Because no one will watch or care about minor league football just like minor league baseball. Without any affiliation to a university, no one cares. I don't disagree though with just putting all the elite high school players say 4 and 5 stars in some kind of NFL development league with pay of course and then the rest of the players play traditional college football with no NIL but get scholarships. You try to get back to the true student athlete model.
You named all the universities the Big 10 wants in your first sentence. They all make sense except Miami. Miami still at this point is a non-take at this point unless FOX would agree to take Stanford then I think the presidents would vote to take Miami. The presidents desperately wanted Stanford in the last go around but FOX refused to pay for it. If FOX would agree to pay for Stanford, then Miami is in, and they want in.
For just football reasons I would love Utah and maybe Colorado. I don't ever see Cal making it to the Big 10. Stanford yes at some point. They need 2 more teams on the west coast to get to six Stanford and Arizona make the most sense there but would love Utah and Arizona. Utah has no shot at this point.
Keep your eyes on the SEC they are likely to eat first in the ACC. There have been some backroom dealings going on between FOX and ESPN on ACC teams have to wait and see how that all shakes out Petitti and Sankey have also been very chummy of late agreeing on several issues that have been made public. Don't pay any attention to the rhetoric coming out of the SEC on expansion. The SEC doesn't need to expand the SEC doesn't want to expand blah blah blah. The last time we heard things like that 3 months later they announced the addition of TX and OK.
The SEC has interest in ASU and KS. the SEC also has to get to 24 teams so if they can't get all they want in the ACC they have to go somewhere.
On the Big picture in the ACC FSU at this point is a lock to the Big 10. Maybe Clemson too but Clemson has been trying to ride the coattails of UNC into the SEC, however the votes aren't there for Clemson and may never be there so it's likely Clemson and FSU to the Big for now. UNC is a hard lean to the SEC. While the faculty would love to be in the Big 10 everyone else seemingly wants the SEC including the fans. VA is a much better fit in the Big 10 but will likely follow UNC and the SEC wants both of them so Imo VA is at this point not likely to the Big 10 but the fans and admin have a desire to be reunited with MD with who they have close ties so that helps. GT has been told on 2 previous occasions they are welcome in the Big 10 as were VA and UNC. FOX would die to be in that Atlanta market and the Big 10 Presidents have always wanted GT.
If a deal between FOX and ESPN comes about then I could see it shake out something like this. VA UNC to the SEC and Clemson GT FSU and Miami to the Big ten followed by Stanford and ND. That gets the Big 10 to 24 which is desired by FOX.
That's enough to think about on this post. But there's more.
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48 seems to be the two conference magical number in 24 each. I don't see a super league happening in my lifetime if at all. But then I'm 76.
Then why has sPitt been crying and campaigning for years to get in. And they have been.
Well, you're not wrong but the Big 10 president salivate over the prospects of Stanford being in the Big 10. Things like education research and financial wellbeing still matter and Stanford has gobs of all of that. The only reason Stanford isn't in the Big 10 now is FOX wouldn't pay for it. But there could be a tradeoff for Stanford coming between FOX and the Presidents in the future.
The addition is not dilutive at a partial share similar to what they took from the ACC. I have the same question as everyone else, why didn’t they get a B1G invite last year at a partial share? I think they only get into the conference as a package deal with Notre Dame. The host of the video I linked seems rather confident in himself, but I truly don’t know what his credentials are. It’s all fun speculation of this point. FSU and Clemson’s fight versus the ACC is the determining factor for what happens next. It will be interesting to see what impact that has on Miami and GT, as both schools feel like good fits for the B1G.
