Wrestling LIVE THREAD: Penn State vs. Iowa
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RBY can do whatever he wants to Desanto and the same goes for Lee and Eierrman. I think SuperStarocci is going to be close w/ Kemerer but he'll never get scored on unless he slips or something. I'd also be shocked if Kerk doesn't handle Cassiopi if he gets another shot at him.
Kerk's match reminded me a lot of Mark's in Carver. A ton of emotional swings in this one tonight. Could have been as simple as a huge adrenaline and emotional dump with Max sealing the match.
Kerk got to Cass' legs but got sucked into an upper body throw twice and just didn't have it tonight. Like in most cases, I'll take a healthy Kerk when it matters most. Cael and crew are the absolute best at prepping their guys to avenge losses. .
RBY wrestled a strange match against ADS. But give ADS credit for going on the offense; he had RBY on his heels for most of the match.
I expected 141 to be tight. But that late TD by Eierman was a little fluky, as he caught Lee off-balance 5 feet away. Take that away and it's a pretty solid 3-point win for Lee.
The 149 bout didn't surprise me. Bartlett just hasn't shown much offense, and he probably wrestling one weight class too high.
Also thought Kerk would win against Cass, and probably would have if he stayed away from the upper body stuff. And Kerk showed almost nothing from bottom. That was probably the most disappointing bout for me, with the debacle at 165 a close second.
I thought the shoe was Terry's chew toy.
Really? Replay clearly shows that Dean had Warner Wynn Dixied on his back for 4 full seconds (with Warner's shoulders flat on the mat during the sequence) and Rivera never even went to the mat to look at the exposure.... he didn't give Dean a T2, or 4 NF.... he didn't even give Dean an ESC despite Warner having let go of his leg and arms flailing around as he attempted to get of his back.... So he cost Dean at a minimum 6 points and a MD and quite possibly a pin (again Rivera never even bothered to go to mat to check exposure despite replay showing Warner was Wynn Dixied on his back for 4 full seconds).... and you think the "Officiating angle is over-played"??? LMAO
On the other hand, Jaydin pretty much gifted the first TD to Lee with a bonehead attempt.
This will not go over well with a certain school's fanbase.
Did you really just question Kerk’s “fire”?
Care to clarify?
To be totally honest with you guys, I think nerves even got to Nick and RBY. RBY seemed somewhat intimidated by ADS for the first time. Nick giving up a takedown at the end was SUPER uncharacteristic (at least from his 5th year form, as a freshman I might expect it) Berge seemed borderline intimidated by Bull. No I didn't think he had the upset in him but I haven't seen Brady get takedown drilled like that since he wasn't allowed to eat as a 149 against Micah Jordan.
Carter, Brooks, Max were poised as can be. I'm particularly impressed with Carter, he truly is an assassin.
This was a gut check moment for our boys, Iowa threw the kitchen sink at us and we survived.
Carter, Brooks, Max were poised as can be. I'm particularly impressed with Carter, he truly is an assassin.
This was a gut check moment for our boys, Iowa threw the kitchen sink at us and we survived.
I think Kerk gassed out immediately after he was thrown onto his back. Not much unlike Mark going for a throw against Kem and not getting it. It doesn't get harder than this environment to wrestle in. Kerk will learn. I'm not worried about him on bottom seeing how he got out no issues against Parris last week. Not sure how they seed Big Tens to be honest.
Outside of the final result, was a really enjoyable and entertaining meet. Lots of individual matches that lived up to the hype, and plenty of drama to go around. Congrats to your guys. Will hopefully be an exciting March for both of these teams
Hope anyone that made the trip to Carver enjoyed their time there!
Hope anyone that made the trip to Carver enjoyed their time there!
Did you watch the match?
Lack of activity, lack of aggressiveness -- pretty obvious.
Note the poster. I highly advise use of ignore function.
Well about 4/5 of first half were pretty boring - think about drawing new fans.
I love how alot of them say stuff like “I hope you’re still wrestling in 2 years so Spencer can kick your ass”. Gilman must howl with laughter when he sees that.
Can someone please make a compilation of Rivera’s bad calls? If too many just make a worst 15
I don't think you're giving enough credit to Cass here. After Kerk got that first blast double with ease, I was worried and thought "here we go". But Cass did an excellent job adjusting after then by controlling ties, not letting there be distance between the two, and controlling him on the mat. I don't think it was for lack of effort on Kerk's part but rather good adjustments by Cass
I watched the Brands Show. I enjoyed it......seriously.
Drawing new fans-wise, sure. But IMO 133 and 141 were great action/drama for wrestling fans. 174, 197, and HWT were good too.
And then as an Iowa fan, I really liked the outcomes of 149, 157, and 165 too
General observation - i thought we had a few guys get winded early and makes me ponder if there is something going around....
- just saw Cael's post conf and he didn't seem real happy
- I despise the claw when you're not doing anything... many stall calls should be given when there isn't effort to turn or simply hang on...
- once again, no stall for being pushed or carried OB, even when it is blatantly obvious
- Of course Brands are good coaches but they push the limits - on the mat, scorers table.
125 - I think more movement by Drew could open his O. Great start!
133 - RBY OK? seems like he ran out of gas (see above). Their game plan was for AD to shoot and ensure the ref's knew about RBY grabbing ankles. Maybe that was the source of the 'no mas'. Regardless seemed 'reserved' the whole night. Would be fun to see him open it up for a shoot out!
141 - same thing with Nick to a limited extent. Seemed in control of the match. Looked good. Good Lee bit "on the Mat' -be sure to watch
149 - I was worried about not getting the first TD. BB needs to create more movement and angles...he is quick enough to stop counter shots.. I'm still optimistic if they were to meet again
157 - That Punxsy kid isn't bad, just doesn't show much. Has a decent resume
167 - Berge looked gassed at the end of one. Think he may have only had one shot
174 - CStar looked winded early... wonder if he is ok. They both were pouring sweat after the review. Thought the calls were good but I don't think Kem did much in the 1st ...'nuff said
184 - Brooks gassed at the end of 2 it appeared. Boy, he's good
197 - Dean needs to defend better and create openings. Good counter shot by Iowa. Clearly a 2 and 2 for Dean. I don't understand why they didn't at least award one after they reviewed. Had a good interview on the BigShow afterwards
hwt - same here with gassing. Seriously makes me think something was in the air. I do think he can TD and release and we now know he can take anyone down
Great WIN.... better than saying 'should have'
- just saw Cael's post conf and he didn't seem real happy
- I despise the claw when you're not doing anything... many stall calls should be given when there isn't effort to turn or simply hang on...
- once again, no stall for being pushed or carried OB, even when it is blatantly obvious
- Of course Brands are good coaches but they push the limits - on the mat, scorers table.
125 - I think more movement by Drew could open his O. Great start!
133 - RBY OK? seems like he ran out of gas (see above). Their game plan was for AD to shoot and ensure the ref's knew about RBY grabbing ankles. Maybe that was the source of the 'no mas'. Regardless seemed 'reserved' the whole night. Would be fun to see him open it up for a shoot out!
141 - same thing with Nick to a limited extent. Seemed in control of the match. Looked good. Good Lee bit "on the Mat' -be sure to watch
149 - I was worried about not getting the first TD. BB needs to create more movement and angles...he is quick enough to stop counter shots.. I'm still optimistic if they were to meet again
157 - That Punxsy kid isn't bad, just doesn't show much. Has a decent resume
167 - Berge looked gassed at the end of one. Think he may have only had one shot
174 - CStar looked winded early... wonder if he is ok. They both were pouring sweat after the review. Thought the calls were good but I don't think Kem did much in the 1st ...'nuff said
184 - Brooks gassed at the end of 2 it appeared. Boy, he's good
197 - Dean needs to defend better and create openings. Good counter shot by Iowa. Clearly a 2 and 2 for Dean. I don't understand why they didn't at least award one after they reviewed. Had a good interview on the BigShow afterwards
hwt - same here with gassing. Seriously makes me think something was in the air. I do think he can TD and release and we now know he can take anyone down
Great WIN.... better than saying 'should have'
133 should have put many outsiders to sleep. 141 was the 1/5 I had in mind.Drawing new fans-wise, sure. But IMO 133 and 141 were great action/drama for wrestling fans. 174, 197, and HWT were good too.
And then as an Iowa fan, I really liked the outcomes of 149, 157, and 165 too
I said nothing about Cass. I thought he wrestled well.
Kerk didn't move much or show aggressiveness beyond the 1st takedown. He can certainly do better the next time, and probably will.
I'm sorry for coming in late with this scouting tip but.........I heard the Hawkeyes were fiercely drilling the spiral ride leading up to the dual tonight
Penn State had, by far, the tougher 7 days leading into this one.General observation - i thought we had a few guys get winded early and makes me ponder if there is something going around....
- just saw Cael's post conf and he didn't seem real happy
- I despise the claw when you're not doing anything... many stall calls should be given when there isn't effort to turn or simply hang on...
- once again, no stall for being pushed or carried OB, even when it is blatantly obvious
- Of course Brands are good coaches but they push the limits - on the mat, scorers table.
125 - I think more movement by Drew could open his O. Great start!
133 - RBY OK? seems like he ran out of gas (see above). Their game plan was for AD to shoot and ensure the ref's knew about RBY grabbing ankles. Maybe that was the source of the 'no mas'. Regardless seemed 'reserved' the whole night. Would be fun to see him open it up for a shoot out!
141 - same thing with Nick to a limited extent. Seemed in control of the match. Looked good. Good Lee bit "on the Mat' -be sure to watch
149 - I was worried about not getting the first TD. BB needs to create more movement and angles...he is quick enough to stop counter shots.. I'm still optimistic if they were to meet again
157 - That Punxsy kid isn't bad, just doesn't show much. Has a decent resume
167 - Berge looked gassed at the end of one. Think he may have only had one shot
174 - CStar looked winded early... wonder if he is ok. They both were pouring sweat after the review. Thought the calls were good but I don't think Kem did much in the 1st ...'nuff said
184 - Brooks gassed at the end of 2 it appeared. Boy, he's good
197 - Dean needs to defend better and create openings. Good counter shot by Iowa. Clearly a 2 and 2 for Dean. I don't understand why they didn't at least award one after they reviewed. Had a good interview on the BigShow afterwards
hwt - same here with gassing. Seriously makes me think something was in the air. I do think he can TD and release and we now know he can take anyone down
Great WIN.... better than saying 'should have'
Thats the least I've EVER seen a wrestler do and win.- Young. Does it actually count?
What is obvious?
I don’t equate activity level or aggressiveness in portions of a single match with a wrestler’s “fire”. Rather, I liken “fire” to motivation and desire — actual character traits. They are not always expressed outwardly.
But if you want to equate fire with activity level and aggressiveness, how was Kerk’s
fire on that TD he executed in the 1st period? Did he have fire when he tried to lat-drop Cassioppi later in that same period? How about when he tried the sweep single in the 3rd? And then when he tried an inside trip? No fire? How about when he fought off back exposure twice to avoid NF? Fire?
Did you watch the match?
Here is what I said just above.
It's just my opinion but I've watched a lot of wrestling and plenty of Penn State wrestling. I expect the PSU coaches were not pleased with Kerk's performance.
Carry on if you want to have the last word.
Willie mentioned on his First Word show this week about how he felt DeSanto may win this match because he wanted it more and said he thinks RBY lost some of his fire. He has said in interviews he’s not coming back, accomplished his goals, etc.
He didn’t wrestle last week against Foley with no apparent injury or illness and then today was a “weird” match. No motion, just content to win a one takedown match and IMO wouldn’t have been surprised if he got another stalling point against him.
Maybe Willie has a point. Whatever it is, I love me some high energy, high spirited RBY and if this is his last show I hope he gets it back
He didn’t wrestle last week against Foley with no apparent injury or illness and then today was a “weird” match. No motion, just content to win a one takedown match and IMO wouldn’t have been surprised if he got another stalling point against him.
Maybe Willie has a point. Whatever it is, I love me some high energy, high spirited RBY and if this is his last show I hope he gets it back
Sure, don’t mind if I do.
I’m glad you’ve watched a lot of wrestling. I’ve watched some, too. I may have even wrestled a little myself. The PSU coaches may not have been pleased with how Kerk wrestled that match.
None of the above has any bearing on whether Kerk has “fire” or wrestled that particular match with “fire”. I disagree with your bolded statement, based on the examples I had already provided.
Kerk probably strayed from the gameplan, and he did not execute well. But don’t tell me a wrestler of his caliber, credentials, and personal history doesn’t have “fire”.
Someone should tell Tom and Terry that perhaps Warner doesn’t like tough wrestling.
which he was. he was grabbing the toe, trying to pry his foot out, so he could get a better hold on the ankle or get to his cradle series. the ref saw it and stopped it. not a huge deal.
RBY has looked very energetic this year and having a ton of fun. Agreed ADS might have wanted this more. He came out and threw the kitchen sink at RBY. How do we know how RBY is feeling? He's had bouts with the flu and I don't think he tapes his shoulder up for a fashion statement. Next few weeks is making sure we get as close to 100% for late March.
I think nerves got to RBY a bit today. I truly think 2020 Carver was a little different. We were expected to get run out of there and it kind of felt like the team had nothing to lose. Today we had the target on our back and you know Iowa had this circled as a Superbowl.
