Wrestling LIVE THREAD: Penn State vs. Iowa
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Parris is the big loser last night. He is going to be 4 at B1G. Winner of Cass-Kerk in semi gets 3 at NCAA. Loser joins Parris in top half.
Especially with Brooks, I don’t mind seeing if a turn is possible before cutting the guy without wasting too much time when it’s not there. Catch and release nets one point; a turn nets 4 in four secs.
No, PSU fans understand that the leg was never laced for the Merkle. The clock was not the factor.
Except for the part where the ref said “After review, the clock had run out. No Takedown.”
Thus the reason I’m asking about the rule as I thought it required leg lace too.
If that’s what he said, thenAngel getting it right was pure luck, even if it wasn’t for the right reason.
I would have to watch the tape to see if he said that or the talking heads said that.
Brooks should have worked for a third takedown in the first to end at 6-2.
Yes, you see this at youth wrestling tournaments a lot, but never amongst the better high school and college wrestlers because it rarely works on better wrestlers that have any sense of where they're at and what they're doing. Look, the Merkle is legal and considered a takedown, but I still call it junk wrestling and usually the beneficiary just got lucky.
Can they stop showing us Mrs Marinelli? If we have to keep seeing a wrestler's wife, at least show us the wife of a wrestler that has won something.
This is why it's best to read through all the posts before beginning to type. This is exactly what it looked like RBY was thinking last night. I'm in total agreement with Cowbell.
Wouldn't change a thing, it was a fabulous night of wrestling. When I think about being in a hostile environment after travelling half-way across the country, and the fact that these are still 18-23 year olds, my Penn State pride shines through. A few tidbits;
125: Kid has really grown on me. Not flashy, but patient and very calm. Hard to score on, tough on top, and can finish bouts. Would have loved to see a match-up with Ayala, but Hildebrant did what he needed, setting the tone with a bonus point win. Good lead-off wrestler.
133: Honestly was surprised by the disproportion of shots. Our whole watch-party group was. Happy for the win, for sure, but it was more due to great defense than what RBY is know for -- great offense as he leads the team in takedowns.
141: I love watching Nick wrestle. Like Brooks, he's ALWAYS moving forward looking for offense. Late Eierman takedown (to tie the score) showed how dangerous Eierman is, but Lee showed complete calm heading to SV, KNOWING he had more in the tank than his opponent. A healthy Lee will never be outworked, best motor on the team.
149: Limited offense against the better guys at this weight. He WILL wrestle them close, and always have a shot at the end, but it's a risky situation.
157: Barraclough has now lost three in a row to ranked opponents. All were extremely close, he just has to get over that hump. Limited offensive arsenal, though he is getting to legs with a chance to score, just has to close the deal. One takedown last night would have won the bout.
165: I saw a fired-up Marinelli wanting to make a statement, and he did. Berge is better than he showed, so no concern to me, even though I can't remember him being out of a bout before. Learning experience, so back to the room to get better.
174: Hat's off to both guys. They may get each other twice more this season, and I'm looking forward to them if/when they happen. This is the reason kids go to Penn State or Iowa - to wrestle in big matches.
184: Dominating win by Brooks, and despite a superior motor, he seemed to tire in the third. No biggie at all given the opponent and venue. Brooks could win by bonus in a neutral setting. Another big win in a long line of big wins.
197: Dang, Dean has owned the third this season. Late takedowns, solid rides in the third, and turning opponents late is his MO against the top guys it seems. Last night, in a tough environment, Dean came through in a BIG way. Watching him every dual, I can say I'm a big fan.
285: Great first takedown, then Kerkvliet decided to enter Cassioppi's wheelhouse and got thrown. Then it happened again later. Coaches talk about getting out of situations when they don't have an advantage. I think (my opinion only) backing out of the upper body stuff with this opponent is the better strategy. Every bout is a learning experience, and I think this one was hugely (is that a word) so. Still a toss-up next time.
Angel: Nice job overall. Anyone that wants to pick apart that performance in that environment is looking hard for something to complain about.
125: Kid has really grown on me. Not flashy, but patient and very calm. Hard to score on, tough on top, and can finish bouts. Would have loved to see a match-up with Ayala, but Hildebrant did what he needed, setting the tone with a bonus point win. Good lead-off wrestler.
133: Honestly was surprised by the disproportion of shots. Our whole watch-party group was. Happy for the win, for sure, but it was more due to great defense than what RBY is know for -- great offense as he leads the team in takedowns.
141: I love watching Nick wrestle. Like Brooks, he's ALWAYS moving forward looking for offense. Late Eierman takedown (to tie the score) showed how dangerous Eierman is, but Lee showed complete calm heading to SV, KNOWING he had more in the tank than his opponent. A healthy Lee will never be outworked, best motor on the team.
149: Limited offense against the better guys at this weight. He WILL wrestle them close, and always have a shot at the end, but it's a risky situation.
157: Barraclough has now lost three in a row to ranked opponents. All were extremely close, he just has to get over that hump. Limited offensive arsenal, though he is getting to legs with a chance to score, just has to close the deal. One takedown last night would have won the bout.
165: I saw a fired-up Marinelli wanting to make a statement, and he did. Berge is better than he showed, so no concern to me, even though I can't remember him being out of a bout before. Learning experience, so back to the room to get better.
174: Hat's off to both guys. They may get each other twice more this season, and I'm looking forward to them if/when they happen. This is the reason kids go to Penn State or Iowa - to wrestle in big matches.
184: Dominating win by Brooks, and despite a superior motor, he seemed to tire in the third. No biggie at all given the opponent and venue. Brooks could win by bonus in a neutral setting. Another big win in a long line of big wins.
197: Dang, Dean has owned the third this season. Late takedowns, solid rides in the third, and turning opponents late is his MO against the top guys it seems. Last night, in a tough environment, Dean came through in a BIG way. Watching him every dual, I can say I'm a big fan.
285: Great first takedown, then Kerkvliet decided to enter Cassioppi's wheelhouse and got thrown. Then it happened again later. Coaches talk about getting out of situations when they don't have an advantage. I think (my opinion only) backing out of the upper body stuff with this opponent is the better strategy. Every bout is a learning experience, and I think this one was hugely (is that a word) so. Still a toss-up next time.
Angel: Nice job overall. Anyone that wants to pick apart that performance in that environment is looking hard for something to complain about.
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This was a good win for us fans of watching HR implode. The good guys managed to get a win, but left Hawkeye fans with enough hope that they will still be crushed on a particular Saturday in March. Win/win!
My favorite posts from HR last night:
1.) Penn State wrestlers are way bigger than the Iowa wrestlers.
2.) What has (world champ and Olympic bronze medalist) Gilman ever won?
My all time favorite was Cenzos mom for a couple reason. It was awesome seeing how nervous she’s be during his matches and then how proud and excited she got after he won. And also because I knew it was driving Hawk fans crazy. Lol
Conveniently, he therefore didn’t have to rule on whether it was or wasn’t a TD since time expired.
There’s a thread on HR about it with a YouTube ref seminar where they say in folkstyke, leg only has to be trapped. I don’t think it was even trapped.
I just pulled up the NCAA rule book, and I do not see this position covered. There is no image of a similar position and it is not described within the rule book that I can see. Would love to see actual evidence of the rule saying it needs to be laced. That is news to me.
I did forget to add that when you are good, you are fantastic, Madden. Your good battles with Bordeaux are epic!
This is what Rivera saw before he signaled for the takedown. Carter's foot is hooked over Kemerer's. Merkle is not when you have your leg inside your opponent's thigh but outside of the foot, right?
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Just giving Rivera the benefit of the doubt, (of which there is room for plenty) but maybe he just picked the first criteria that applied. If the clock ran out of time, then regardless of where Kemerer was positioned, there would be no takedown.
lol
I’ve watched that several times now and can’t figure out how that sequence isn’t point for Dean … and then Angel ‘reviews’ it (who … me make a mistake?) and still no points … maybe there’s an explanation other than Angel being Angel … I’d love to hear it because your description of the sequence is spot on
I wonder the same. HR is convinced it’s a TD; citing the Carter’s loss of a grip on Kem’s leg. They posted a ref training video that says freestyle requires leg to be laced but folkstyle only requires leg to be trapped. I see their point on the loss of Carter’s grip on Kem’s leg. I still don’t see any trapping of the leg regardless.
FWIW; PSU wins on criteria (match points) even if that was ruled a TD.
I agree! Awesome wrestling! Rivera is still an asshat.
Better her than TnT’s Mom though, am I right 😉
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Boy Iowa surely does not like tough wrestling. There are plenty of legal wrestling moves, that can be painful. What other moves would you like to make illegal? If you can’t take the pain, all you have to do is roll over, but what does Iowa do - start screaming to have the ref bail them out, to avoid back points. Unfortunately, it worked for Desanto. Fortunately it did not work for Warnerov. The only positive thing Rivera did that entire match, was not bail out Warnerov.
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This gets my vote for funniest post of the night 😆
I think HR convinced me that it was a TD if time hadn’t run out. They posted a training video about it discussing the differences between it being a TD on folkstyke and freestyle. It took me longer to get it than they would have liked, but I think I get it now.
If you can’t make it through a legal hold without screaming out in pain, you certainly don’t like tough wrestling.
Think Hall pinned a pretty good guy from Missouri with this move his true freshman year at NCAAs. My memory isn’t the best though.
Soph year. Lewis maybe
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My son #3, wrestler, unlike Mike Evans, he was impressed with the high level wrestling between IU and PSU.
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