GoPSUsports already has the IU results up, including extra matches. Bartlett also wrestled against IU @41 in extra matches (won by Fall). This suggests to me that Bartlett convinced Cael to let him make his own way and a go of it at 41 (especially considering the 2 additional matches at 41 against NW). It would seem that Verk beat out Bear-Claw at 49 from what we saw today imho. Given Verk's performance and subsequent injury, I think Cael is signalling to Bartlett that he needs to do what is best for the team and make the move to 49 (i.e., start eating and lifting....and competing in the room at 49).
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GoPSUsports already has the IU results up, including extra matches. Bartlett also wrestled against IU @41 in extra matches (won by Fall). This suggests to me that Bartlett convinced Cael to let him make his own way and a go of it at 41 (especially considering the 2 additional matches at 41 against NW). It would seem that Verk beat out Bear-Claw at 49 from what we saw today imho. Given Verk's performance and subsequent injury, I think Cael is signalling to Bartlett that he needs to do what is best for the team and make the move to 49 (i.e., start eating and lifting....and competing in the room at 49).
Way too late for that. Can't put on any serious muscle in that amount of time with the constraints that come with cross training for wrestling. He can probably get heavier because he's not cutting, but it's not going to be muscle. Also not sure he has the frame to get that much bigger anyway. I had him as a 133/141 coming in.
At least I’ll be remembered for something
Pretty sure it had to be Bear-Claw that Verk beat because Bartlett doesn't look like he was competing for the 49 position as all 3 of his matches today were at 41.
He could put on a couple lbs of good weight (i.e., before B1Gs) if he's taking in tons of protein and lifting hard (i.e., free weights, max weights, minimal reps, 3 sets). If he's close to 141 walking weight right now with low body-fat, he could possibly make a go of it at 49 on talent. We'll see I guess.
You spoiled it! I was waiting to see whether you'll be remembered; now there's no suspense.
The Nick Lee - Bartlett situation is very easy to clear up. Wrestle off. The loser can wrestle 149 or sit at home during the postseason. I can’t imagine a wrestler choosing to not enter the postseason, especially when this year doesn’t change your eligibility. 2022 Bartlett can redshirt while Nick finishes up his eligibility. 2023-26 141 is Bartlet’s. It’s not that complicated.
Yes, JB said that, he also said others were not able to wrestle off, possibly due to Covid or other injury.
Ahh, but who remembers his target?You spoiled it! I was waiting to see whether you'll be remembered; now there's no suspense.
One year I said a prayer while Nick was wrestling, “Dear God, please give Penn State another guy that wrestled like Nick Lee” and then no shi*, I stumbled on Joe wrestling in high school the next day.
While wrestleoffs have an element of “fairness,” they don’t always produce the better wrestler when the lights are on against a formidable opponent.
Nick is the reigning #1 @41 for PSU and is ranked #2 in the nation right now at the weight. The only way Bartlett can be #1 @41 at PSU is via wrestle-off (given that he didn't get the start in either match today, it's a pretty clear indication that Lee is getting the better of the action in the room prior to the first match (which has been quite some time since the team has returned to the mats - more than a month)). I think Cael is clearly signalling to Bartlett (who has the bigger frame anyway), that he should make a go at 49 for the good of the team - especially considering that this is a free year of eligibility! It makes zero sense for Bartlett to sit on the bench during the postseason as our #2 41, when he potentially could be our #1 at 49 if he starts dedicating himself to and doing the things needed to accomplish that objective.
I’m not talking about who would win a wrestle off or who is better at which weight. All I’m saying is... they are clearly our 2 best wrestlers at 141/149. When it’s postseason time someone will move up or they won’t be wrestling. My money is on they will both be wrestling.
Not in a month while also training. The intensive cardio it will take to stay in shape will hurt muscle growth. There's a reason you focus on that during the offseason because you aren't focused on conditioning. The exception would be if he's growing, but that doesn't seem likely.
I bet he could walk around in the low to mid 150's on full feed, but that would make him a very small 149. Now the plus side to that is he would be one of the few guys in the country that wouldn't be worrying about his weight and could really focus on his wrestling and development. I'd be very curious to see him at 149, that's for sure. Sometimes, it's not terrible being small you have enough strength to not get bullied and can use speed and technique to make up the difference.
we don't know that they are the best 2. Boat load of 149'ers who aren't that bad. Account for the jump.
What's confusing to me is why Cael even let Bartlett stay at 141 for this long, it's almost February. He could have told Bartlett a month ago "look, appreciate your moxie but you aren't beating out Nick Lee" - if Bartlett is truly the best option at 149 he should be wrestling 149 pounders and getting used to their size and strength.
Now I know Cael knows what he's doing and there's probably something I'm missing, but keeping both Bartlett and Lee at 141 this late isn't making sense to me. The only way it does is if it was already pretty apparent in the room that Bartlett wasn't going to be a better option at 149.
Now I know Cael knows what he's doing and there's probably something I'm missing, but keeping both Bartlett and Lee at 141 this late isn't making sense to me. The only way it does is if it was already pretty apparent in the room that Bartlett wasn't going to be a better option at 149.
Honestly, Cael has been pretty consistent through the years, he does not mandate this type of thing on a wrestler - he let's the wrestlers themselves make their decision in this type of situation. I do think he is trying to influence Bartlett to really consider his final decision before time makes it for him.
Man, I just hope this "situation" doesn't sour Beau in the long run, even with it being a free year.
JE worked Nick over in Freestyle the first time they met.
JE handled Nick in Folkstyle a couple of years ago in the NCAA Tourney
Nick handled JE in Freestyle in their most recent bout.
Personally, knowing Nick Lee's history like I do, I like the current trend. He has a history of solving guys who have beat him in the past. That said, anyone that thinks either will dominate is nuts, IMO. I see a 4 point or less decision.
Love to see Beau crack the lineup, but not seeing any chance he beats Nick Lee. Gotta love his confidence though if he believes it.
Washington has always been fun to watch. He's definitely still raw with a lot of room to improve. But on his feet he's pretty tough. He finished 5th at State his Jr. year, with his only loss to Minnesota's Brayton Lee. Was a runner up his Sr. year, losing after getting winded and dominated from the top position, after leading early. The kid that beat him was always great on top and is a starter for Ohio U.
He's not on Starocci's level, but pulled off a big one today. I liken Starocci in the 1st today, to a boxer who got knocked down early, survived and came back to make it a great fight. Next time, the result is likely different. But Washington is the type that can provide wild results, both good and bad.
Maybe they are going to get Beau 4 matches at 141 before bumping him to 149? Then he would be eligible at both weights for post season
I was thinking this was the perfect time to panic and then Pat Mineo liked the tweet so it must be legitimate and everything will be ok.
I was thinking the same thing. Get him 4 matches at 141 in case Lee can't go in March for some reason. After he gets his 4 at 141 he can move into the line-up at 149.
Could also be the diametric opposite as well - get Lee his 4 starts before trying him at 49. Then they'd be able to see how Nick handles the switch to 49. If it doesn't go well (i.e., Nick doesn't look dominant at the weight and prefers to go back to 41), Nick could transition back to 41 before B1Gs and NCAAs.
People are not understanding the concept of 4 matches.
Kyle Snyder had 3 regular season matches in 2016 (and the pre-virus threshold was 17 matches, not 4). Nobody made him sit out March.
"4 matches" makes a wrestler eligible for an at-large bid to nationals, if they don't earn a slot at B10s. Earn your way in, and "4 matches" is irrelevant.
I watched Morgan hit his Bow and Arrow on Bonaccorsi from Pitt at the Perterson Event Center. I though Morgan was going to snap him in half.
Nick Bonaccorsi: if I can't beat Morgan McIntosh, I'll eat my shoe.
Smack: That can be arranged.
I would never criticize any individual wrestler, they work too hard to be where they are, the best room in the country.
That said I thought they looked a little tight for the first match with Indiana. But wouldn't you be tight going out against Hoosiers when you think they are all in the same mold as teammates Nick, Joe and Matt.
That said I thought they looked a little tight for the first match with Indiana. But wouldn't you be tight going out against Hoosiers when you think they are all in the same mold as teammates Nick, Joe and Matt.
God almighty please tell me Beau isn't bucking the ask from Carl in a free year. If this turn into another drama like we saw 3 years ago, I will friggin lose it.
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