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LemonPie said:
Miklus lost another match as well. If all goes well for Cassar at the Scuffle, he will get a big boost. Jake Smith and Rotert also taking lumps.

As luck would have it, I'm sure this means Cutch beats Cassar.
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Makes no difference...whoever goes gets the support, right?
 
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LemonPie said:
All Lee aside, Iowa has wrestled well this tournament.
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Definitely. And two narratives took hits: Warner the 197 finalist and Lee running the table. Those plus Clowney's no-show, plus Iowa looking otherwise solid, might be enough to keep Lee and Warner's shirts on. Then again, if Lee and Bresser wrestle again most would take Lee. He's a huge upgrade even if Warner might not be. All comes back to whether Downey can actually go, I think
 
tikk10 said:
Definitely. And two narratives took hits: Warner the 197 finalist and Lee running the table. Those plus Clowney's no-show, plus Iowa looking otherwise solid, might be enough to keep Lee and Warner's shirts on. Then again, if Lee and Bresser wrestle again most would take Lee. He's a huge upgrade even if Warner might not be. All comes back to whether Downey can actually go, I think
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Yes. Wilcke definitely wrestling like he has a chip on his shoulder. Too much chatter about Warner and Downey. The "Uncorner the Warner" crowd never made a lick of sense to me. Lee obviously a different story.
 
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LemonPie said:
a season long wrestle-off would hurt seeding. Alternating duals and such.
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But that's not what's happening. Right now, Cassar's the guy. In the next 3 days, we'll have another data point...but it's speculation, at best, to even suggest this thing won't be settled for good soon.
 
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tikk10 said:
Definitely. And two narratives took hits: Warner the 197 finalist and Lee running the table. Those plus Clowney's no-show, plus Iowa looking otherwise solid, might be enough to keep Lee and Warner's shirts on. Then again, if Lee and Bresser wrestle again most would take Lee. He's a huge upgrade even if Warner might not be. All comes back to whether Downey can actually go, I think
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That hissing sound you hear is the air coming out of the balloon...
 
NoVa Lion said:
I note that you did NOT answer the question. Not really a surprise coming from you. :rolleyes:
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If you view guys both equally, why would you not root for Cassar? He won the wrestle-off and he won the Keystone Classic w/ H2H victory. All that is accomplished by a Cutch victory is chaos. You're gonna start giving him duals when he's 1-2 (possibly 1-3) against Cassar?
 
dicemen99 said:
Watched that match and then I just watched Wilke-Warner. You are 100% correct.

Marinelli wrestles as if taking ground and stalking scores points in the NCAA rules. He takes 1 or 2 shots a match against people with a pulse, and they are nice shots, but possibly they are so effective because the other guy is in shock. (a joke for you Hawk fans that contribute on here). No interest in any mat wrestling except to avoid giving up a RT. He could possibly have as nice a career as Sorenson, but doubtful as he can't ride near as well as Sorenson. You can't win NCs wrestling like that. Must be a nice kid from all accounts but boring as hell on the mat. Now some Hawk fan will pull out a fall or a lot of points against somebody ranked #27 as evidence to the contrary.

Warner looks like he has some offense, but I just watched a period where he and Wilke spent the entire 1st period 3 minutes without either guy touching his knee to the mat. I did see a bunch of stalking at the edge to keep the other guy from returning to center from both guys - they probably learned this from Marinelli. He had one shot in the 2nd which was tremendous and would have scored against most anyone - it got waved off for some reason - IDK timeout or something called just before. Wilke wins in OT after getting jobbed on a bad stall call at the buzzer, but Warner is more talented but just mystifying in that match.

Guys wrestle like this in the B&W and we are calling them Morelli and looking for them to get replaced in the lineup. They've got Kemerer who wrestles, and I'm sure Spencer will. Beyond that, nobody who is a threat on the mat (EDIT - excuse me, Sorenson is a threat to get RIDING TIME on the mat) and most look for the OOB shoot/push out as the first option to score, with an occasional pot shot high-c as second option. Third option is the 3rd period busy neutral offense looking for the stall again. Marinelli is extremely quick and has some nice shots, gets good penetration and finishes fast. Somebody should tell him that if he gets taken down the match doesn't end.
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Still coaching to the winning stall call.
Apparently the 3 inch Larry Binder failed to cover the importance of wrestle to score.
 
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BruceK-PSU83 said:
The 3 inch binder was limited to recruiting intel. :oops:
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I think my adoration committee chairperson (post immediately above your's) disagrees with you. He seems to be implying the binder does indeed cover the importance of wrestle to score. There must be some personal selective process used to determine what to address and what to ignore.
 
nitlion6 said:
I think my adoration committee chairperson (post immediately above your's) disagrees with you. He seems to be implying the binder does indeed cover the importance of wrestle to score. There must be some personal selective process used to determine what to address and what to ignore.
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No, just implying that you’re a two-faced dumbass.
 
tikk10 said:
Definitely. And two narratives took hits: Warner the 197 finalist and Lee running the table. Those plus Clowney's no-show, plus Iowa looking otherwise solid, might be enough to keep Lee and Warner's shirts on. Then again, if Lee and Bresser wrestle again most would take Lee. He's a huge upgrade even if Warner might not be. All comes back to whether Downey can actually go, I think
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I say we start a new narrative, Bresser now a threat to beat Tomasello.
 
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Marinelli appears to have morphed into the prototypical Iowa wrestler. Club your opponent's head, push and shove for 6 and a half minutes, then hope to win with the late takedown or stall call. I'm surprised TnT let Kemerer wrestle the way he does.
 
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Where some good matches today.
Did T-Shirts ever get a TD?
Talk about all defense good heavens.
Lee will be ok love that kid, wish Young could
add some muscle and weight and go 174 much
more offense.
Murin needs to get stronger also he will be fine.
Stoll looks good if his knee holds up he even
after using his underhooks got some leg takedown.
Sorry long rant and know maybe you folks not really
interested in my Hawks.;)
Good luck at the Schuffle stay injury free will watch
and see good wrestling.
 
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funkisfun12 said:
Marinelli appears to have morphed into the prototypical Iowa wrestler. Club your opponent's head, push and shove for 6 and a half minutes, then hope to win with the late takedown or stall call. I'm surprised TnT let Kemerer wrestle the way he does.
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Mike gets home and trains with YGs, Jody and Jason enough to keep that stuff out of his wrestling personality.
 
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Mpchillin said:
No, just implying that you’re a two-faced dumbass.
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Ah man. I am so saddened. Another fan of wrestling that is not bright enough to understand what two faced is. Dumbass? Pretty sure you live it, so if an expert claims I am maybe i am.

Worse things to be.
 
Mpchillin said:
No, just implying that you’re a two-faced dumbass.
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funkisfun12 said:
Marinelli appears to have morphed into the prototypical Iowa wrestler. Club your opponent's head, push and shove for 6 and a half minutes, then hope to win with the late takedown or stall call. I'm surprised TnT let Kemerer wrestle the way he does.
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Was that just a statement you wanted to make or were you predicting his Midlands finals performance?
 
Ok. Nice shot and TD by Iowa's 197 pounder, but the sequence immediately before that last start where Iowa backed straight out of bounds is where the retreat OOB stall is to be called.
 
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Kemmerer is definitely the most fun Hawks to watch wrestle at this time. S Le may take that position at some point, but for now it is all Kemmerer. I would put Stoll as number 2 for fun to watch.
 
That was terrible. We should have, could have, would have had another 1 - 1 going to SV OT.

If the ref had a brain he would be embarrassed.
 
Nick just not aggressive against bigtime wrestlers.... thats his style I suppose but its not a lot of fun to watch
 
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