NCAA's brackets, seeds and other discussions
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That's just not right. Is there any chance that coaches can contest a bracket and have a change made? As you point out, if you're in the teens or twenties, is bumping up or down one seed really going to make that much difference?
125: Obviously being the 1-seed is great. Maybe wish Figs was on the other side of the bracket.
133: slightly disappointed with the 8 seed given his ranking and RPI but get it on record and B1G tourney place. And prob rather it be Byrd than Ayala for his style.
141: Was hoping he and Mendez would be on opposite sides. Too much familiarity. Vombaur if not Mendez. Clear advantage to being the 1-seed here. I guess B1G does matter at least a little.
149: That’s fine. Have to beat Lovett.
157: Perfect
165: Next
174: Couldn’t have been seeded any other way.
184: They did Carter a solid.
197: Another solid. Much rather the path go thru Cardenas than Ferrari or Buchanan.
285: Another solid, given what it could have been.
Not much to complain about.
133: slightly disappointed with the 8 seed given his ranking and RPI but get it on record and B1G tourney place. And prob rather it be Byrd than Ayala for his style.
141: Was hoping he and Mendez would be on opposite sides. Too much familiarity. Vombaur if not Mendez. Clear advantage to being the 1-seed here. I guess B1G does matter at least a little.
149: That’s fine. Have to beat Lovett.
157: Perfect
165: Next
174: Couldn’t have been seeded any other way.
184: They did Carter a solid.
197: Another solid. Much rather the path go thru Cardenas than Ferrari or Buchanan.
285: Another solid, given what it could have been.
Not much to complain about.
If the B1G Tournament was that good of an indicator, we'd have been watching Braeden wrestle Saturday night last year. It's anyone's ballgame at 133.
Overall, as satisfied with the NCAA seedings as I have ever been, there was the potential for a few screwings that didn't materialize.
Meanwhile, the main "contenders" didn't get so lucky and some of their better guys have a few more landmines to deal with.
Meanwhile, the main "contenders" didn't get so lucky and some of their better guys have a few more landmines to deal with.
How so? Last year Starocci was ranked out of the top 8 and by seed at least wouldn't have made the quarter-finals. Carter was the best in the bracket by far, so it didn't matter. With Josh this year, I really don't see where his injury had much to do with his seed (not sure you could have seeded him over Buchanan or Cardenas or even an undefeated conference champ) and given the situation, he got pretty much a best-case scenario and he's STILL seeded #4, so if the seeds go chalk, he'll make the semi-finals.
Kasak/Chittum rd 2. Tyler better wear a helmet for that one
Not sure getting Alirez is the quarters is an advantage. I'll take my chances with Beau's draw.
Beau going to knock off 2 national champions Mendez in semi and Alirez in the finals and that's the way you end a career. Would be outstanding wrestler if not for Carter and Kerk. Shock the world Kerk.
Maybe, but really careless and stupid on Braunagle’s part.
This is college wrestling not the local YMCA youth event. They knew the possibility existed. Do it early so they don't meet when it matters more
I went down to Nashville to see KOT-Levi. Levi matches up just fine with KOT. He’s got a feel for the Mizzou dude now and with the brain trust behind him . . . better than 50% chance that Levi wins another Natty. In regard to Pinto, … KOT will keep it boring.
So it would be better to guarantee one of them is knocked into consis in Round 2 than for them to possibly meet in the semis?
don't know if the brackets work out for it to occur but would be wild if they wrestled round 2 and then both eventually circled back to wrestle again in the 3/4, 5/6 or 7/8 matches.. or better yet.. . blood round where only one would then AA..
Pinto isn't getting to O'Toole unless Khachla is hurt.
The current brackets posted at NCAA.com do not include the bout numbers, which can make it hard (for me, anyway) to visualize the WB rounds. The brackets at Trackwrestling DO have the bout numbers, fyi so maybe that's where you want to look at them.
If we ever needed evidence that the committee doesn't examine a whole bracket, it's having 2 brothers match up in round 2.
Unless maybe they were aligned in Round 1 and they thought Round 2 was a "compromise".
How much would you pay for this data? But wait. There's more.@wrestleknownothing I brought your post over here from the Intermat forum because the data you posted is fascinating. I can't believe Penn State has an average seed of 2.6. That is crazy.
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Only four teams got the full slate in
Based on their Seed relative to their cumulative season record (which should be the most important statistic), only BB and BD really got seeded lower than they deserved (and in both cases, it was putting way too much emphasis on a Conference Chapionship in "the matrix" - causing several people to be seeded higher in the case of BD.).
Bartlett should have been the #1 seed based on a superior record against essentially the identical competition as Hardy (Beau only had 1 loss versus Hardy's 3 losses - again, against virtually the same competition. This would not be ignored in any other wrestling seeding "matrix".). Not sure it matters @141 as the 1-Seed drew a top 4 wrestler in the Quarters (Alirez) via "the matrix's" loopy algorithm. And will face another top-4 wrestler in the Semi's (likely Happel). The other top-2 wrestlers (BB and Jesse Mendez) don't see each other until the Semi's.
The "matrix" totally shat the bed in regards to the entire 141 bracket which is what happens when you do no statistical testing of a multi-factor model that is supposed to have "predictive power" regarding seeding (they could have back-tested the Factors... and their weighting on prior year results). $hit-in produces $sit-out when you don't have the model professionally designed and tested for correlation and predictive significance.
Agreed. Everybod's lawling at Teemer drawing Shapiro early, but I like this for the other way around. Teemer's a mess this year, but he absolutely can:
1. Stall, circle, dodge, dip, dive, duck, dodge
2. Blast Shapiro with 1 or 2 explosive TDs
Pulling for Sparky here over the family fakers.
I mean... I can kinda see it, in a Missed Keck/Starocci in the Qtrs kinda way, but the youngster McEnelly doesn't fit for 'draw of the century' to me.
Similar for Ramirez getting Bear Claw. I mean, I get it: he did not draw Psycho Mitch or Caliendo.
But also, also. Both of those dudes have great records with only one L, even if they missed H2H against some of the best comp.
Count me as 'here' for Shapiro, Ramirez & Foca all missing the semis!
About the only more cruel draw would be if they met in the blood round. Moving Luke to 10, 12, or 13 would also prevent that barring Round 1 upsets.
Fun little exercise. If you assume guys wrestle to seed, and look at matchups through the quarterfinals, of the 30 possible PSU matches, 12 are against opponents where there is head-to-head history. Of those 12 matches, PSU has gone 11-1, with 8 bonus point outcomes, in the most recent engagements.
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After seeing Shapiro a few times this past weekend, I think Teemer getting majored is more likely than Teemer getting past Shapiro.
Disagree. Braunagel was the beneficiary of a very questionable non-TD call earlier in the 3rd period. That non-call changed the complexion of the bout.
And while I was pulling for Braunagel, it was sort of kharma that he got chased down and tackled in the final second while blatantly fleeing.
Overall, Braunagel got a gift in that match and then pissed it away at the end.
Madden, it’s time to put away childish loyalties and nostalgic commitments and formally declare allegiance to the good guys. Just rip off the bandaid. It will all be ok.
Disagree and if there is a time for rooting for Iowa, it's round 2 at 157. Teemer, no matter how banged up, has a style that leads to close matches - Levi's 5-0 and Tyler's 5-1 were about as dominant wins as decisions can be in the 3-point TD era.
Teemer can keep it close and then blast double Meyer in the 3rd. Let Tyler take care of business and give me Teemer or anyone else that emerges in the bottom half and Tyler is going to be a NC.
Was thinking the same.
I have been on the "Teemer has done not much this year" wagon as much as anyone. But I also think he will be a one takedown match both ways unless it really gets sideways with his health.
He's not the guy to flurry attacks at, and I tend to think the guys who are walk right into what he wants to do.
For Askren fans, he's on FRL today. He makes the show so much better. Talks about Mitchell....it'll give you a laugh.
The only time wrestlers will meet again are in placing matches. Brackets are pretty magical that way.
Good thought , but it couldn’t have happened, it would require the committee to move a seed several positions rather than one or two.
The only seed that I am surprised by is having Bartlett not seeded #1. One close loss all year. Defeats Mendez both times. Hardy has 3 losses......one to Bartlett. Record? Definitely Bo. Head to head? Definitely Bo. Conference record. Again Bo. If there wasn't a head to head......maybe I understand a little better. But there is a head to head. I'm confuzzled
With her wrestling knowledge was she the one working the Anthony Knox case?
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