No Sex Scandal at Penn State, Just A "Political Hit Job"

[LaJolla Lion]

Is that why Pennsylvania assigned children to Sandusky's direct custody and care for 4 decades via State-Administered Adoption Programs and State-Administered Foster Parenting Programs and contracted with The Second Mile, and it's Professionals, to do the evaluations of both the children and the adults to enable the assignments??? Just curious genius-boy?

Yeah, great call for irrelevant information. TSM was Jerry's dream. All of those poor little boys to choose from. You still won't answer why Tim didn't deploy your sound defense of using Jerry's charity to let him walk? Damn dumb lawyers. You could have shown them.

 

[marshall23]

Yeah, great call for irrelevant information. TSM was Jerry's dream. All of those poor little boys to choose from. You still won't answer why Tim didn't deploy your sound defense of using Jerry's charity to let him walk? Damn dumb lawyers. You could have shown them.

He plead to a misdemeanor. Why?
Possibly because he anticipated tainted jurors such as yourself. Hang the PSU3 and JVP. Facts be damned.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

He plead to a misdemeanor. Why?
Possibly because he anticipated tainted jurors such as yourself. Hang the PSU3 and JVP. Facts be damned.

Yea, and 3 for 27, all misdemeanors, and 0 for forever on the Felony charges is oh so impressive. Go figure, who'da guessed that 'ole Sling McFurdy would be so impressed with the propagators of fraudulent Presentments, Indictments and Malicious Prosecutions? Look at him, so hard at work at his desk writing the "Daily Spin" - such dedication:

 

[LaJolla Lion]

He plead to a misdemeanor. Why?
Possibly because he anticipated tainted jurors such as yourself. Hang the PSU3 and JVP. Facts be damned.

Or maybe he knew his emails did him in. If you think a jury would think Jerry's charity was the proper place to call after discussions of the DPW, you're out of your mind. I understand it was a witch hunt, but these guys did themselves no favors.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Or maybe he knew his emails did him in. If you think a jury would think Herry's charity was the proper place to call after discussions of the DPW, you're out of your mind. I understand it was a witch hunt, but these guys did themselves no favors.

Who knew that Sling McFurdy was such prolific comedian? He looks so serious in the picture at his desk writing "The Daily Spin".

 

[LaJolla Lion]

It is funny GetReal. You're a decade plus now running joke. Now you think Jerry's talent group was the best option out there for reporting this. You think OJ is a marriage counselor too probably.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

It is funny GetReal. You're a decade plus now running joke. Now you think Jerry's talent group was the best option out there For reporting this. You think OJ is a marriage counselor too probably.

Sling, shouldn't you be working on "The Daily Spin" for your masters? A dutiful, servile, salad-eater such as yourself really doesn't want to let his corrupt, easily-agitated masters down now, does he? Back to work now Sling:

 

[Nit16]

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the attacks on me are justified because I have accepted the outcome of the trials? Because I believe sworn testimony? Okay.

Fair opinion

 

[no1lion99]

No...Wrong!

(a)
Whoever knowingly persuades, induces, entices, or coerces any individual to travel in interstate or foreign commerce, or in any Territory or Possession of the United States, to engage in prostitution, or in any sexual activity for which any person can be charged with a criminal offense, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.
(b)
Whoever, using the mail or any facility or means of interstate or foreign commerce, or within the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States knowingly persuades, induces, entices, or coerces any individual who has not attained the age of 18 years, to engage in prostitution or any sexual activity for which any person can be charged with a criminal offense, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title and imprisoned not less than 10 years or for life.
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"Grooming" can be illegal after the fact, as it shows above. You have to first prove it was "to have sex". Without the proof of sex, it is not a crime. Its analogus to casing a bank branch to rob it. If you don't rob the bank, its not illegal.

What are you arguing about, I said CAN BE.

However you are wrong again when you say "You have to first prove it was "to have sex"". That isn't what the statute says. It says "sexual activity". If you would like to understand the difference you can see Lanning 1992 at p22:

Sexual Activity:
The first concept involves understanding the nature and scope of behavior that can constitute sexual activity. Defining sexual activity is not as easy as many people think. Is a sex crime determined by the motivation for the acts or the specific acts performed? Sexual victimization of children can run the gamut of “normal” sexual acts from fondling to intercourse; however, looking solely at the nature of the acts performed does not necessarily solve this problem. Obvious “sexual” behaviors (e.g., vaginal or anal intercourse) can be motivated by nonsexual needs (e.g., power and/or anger). This is why it is often said rape, which traditionally may require proof of sexual penetration, is not a sex crime but a crime of violence. Obviously such acts may still be considered sexual assaults by the law even if they were motivated by nonsexual needs. Sex can, however, also include deviant sexual acts involving behavior such as sadomasochism, bondage, urination, defecation, peeping, and indecent exposure. Seemingly “nonsexual” behavior can be motivated by sexual needs. Some would argue, therefore, that a sex crime is one motivated by sexual gratification. Some acts are “strict liability” offenses (i.e., an adult engages in vaginal penetration of a child with his erect penis) where the act speaks for itself and there is no need to prove the sexual motivation. Other acts can be sexual acts if you can prove the intent or motivation of the individual. Are kissing, hugging, or appearing naked in front of a child sexual acts? Are giving a child an enema, taking a child’s rectal temperature, having a child spit in a cup, cutting a child’s hair, massaging a child’s feet, or giving a child a back rub sexual acts? Are a physical examination by a doctor, hands-on wrestling instructions by a coach, photographing a child playing dead, surreptitiously video recording children changing clothing, or teaching religious rituals sexual acts? It is common for child molesters when interviewed to admit their acts but deny the intent (i.e., “I was demonstrating a wrestling hold with the child.” “I was taking measurements for a study on adolescent growth.” “It was part of an initiation ceremony.” “I was checking for the effects of steroids.”). All these acts could be sexual acts if you could prove the intent was for sexual gratification. As previously discussed such “weird” or unusual sexual behaviors are referred to by mental-health professionals as sexual paraphilias. Seemingly “nonsexual” behavior can be in the service of sexual needs.

 

[no1lion99]

wasn't that essentially the hang up in 1998?

Gricar felt he could not prove sexual intent on Sandusky's part . . .

Where did you get this?

I suggest you re-read Ray's work on Gricar

http://notpsu.blogspot.com/search?q=+gricar

 

[wensilver]

Nobody is buying that

Actually - I'm buying that.

I tried to put my thoughts down explaining why I'm buying it, here - especially when relevant testimony from others does not corroborate Mike's story of "sexual". (And I'm not going to rehash Mike's story - way too much oxygen has been spent on that, and in the end, our state never proved its case)



Now mind you - like with everything else with this entire epic shitstorm - the leadership at Penn State, our public officials, the media, the NCAA, victim advocacy groups and the public ALL reacted first and developed responses to that reaction.

Consistently everyone has failed to slow down, ask questions or seek more information. Starting with the "anal rape in a Penn State shower" that never happened, to just about every decision made along the way.

In other words, the cart has continually been put before the horse. I think that horse has been left to die out in a field somewhere and these groups just hitched their own selves up to the cart to keep on pulling it.

 

[getmyjive11]

Actually - I'm buying that.

I tried to put my thoughts down explaining why I'm buying it, here - especially when relevant testimony from others does not corroborate Mike's story of "sexual". (And I'm not going to rehash Mike's story - way too much oxygen has been spent on that, and in the end, our state never proved its case)

View embedded media

Now mind you - like with everything else with this entire epic shitstorm - the leadership at Penn State, our public officials, the media, the NCAA, victim advocacy groups and the public ALL reacted first and developed responses to that reaction.

Consistently everyone has failed to slow down, ask questions or seek more information. Starting with the "anal rape in a Penn State shower" that never happened, to just about every decision made along the way.

In other words, the cart has continually been put before the horse. I think that horse has been left to die out in a field somewhere and these groups just hitched their own selves up to the cart to keep on pulling it.

I would again ask why CYS was not contacted directly if the intent was for CYS to be contacted through TSM? It doesn't make any sense. Not the only doesn't it make sense, but where have CSS conveyed that intent?

 

[colt21]

I would again ask why CYS was not contacted directly if the intent was for CYS to be contacted through TSM? It doesn't make any sense. Not the only doesn't it make sense, but where have CSS conveyed that intent?

I don't know how to make this point but I'll try

There is no "intent for CYS to be contacted then TSM"

TSM has REQUIREMENTS for what to do when an incident is reported to them - they didn't follow thru properly with their required procedures

I'm not addressing the point about contacting DPW directly - just that there can't be intent to contact DPW by notifying TSM because that's not the purpose of notifying TSM

 

[Nittany Ziggy]

Actually - I'm buying that.
In other words, the cart has continually been put before the horse. I think that horse has been left to die out in a field somewhere and these groups just hitched their own selves up to the cart to keep on pulling it.

LOL! Excellent visual. I found some footage of this occurring. Can we name the players?

 

[wensilver]

LOL! Excellent visual. I found some footage of this occurring. Can we name the players?

Now that's just creepy.

 

[Nittany Ziggy]

Now that's just creepy.

I Googled "cart pulling horse" and... Voila!

 

[getmyjive11]

I don't know how to make this point but I'll try

There is no "intent for CYS to be contacted then TSM"

TSM has REQUIREMENTS for what to do when an incident is reported to them - they didn't follow thru properly with their required procedures

I'm not addressing the point about contacting DPW directly - just that there can't be intent to contact DPW by notifying TSM because that's not the purpose of notifying TSM

I don't believe that CSS thought TSM had any requirement to report Jerry to CYS. I think (and apparently so the the jurors) that the email shows that they purposely were trying to avoid reporting the incident to authorities. That's why they talk about reporting it to that other agency if their message was not heard by Jerry.

 

[colt21]

I don't believe that CSS thought TSM had any requirement to report Jerry to CYS. I think (and apparently so the the jurors) that the email shows that they purposely were trying to avoid reporting the incident to authorities. That's why they talk about reporting it to that other agency if their message was not heard by Jerry.

You're not hearing me jive
You report the incident to TSM so they do what they are REQUIRED to do - which they didn't
They have responsibilities that, if done properly, would have avoided this

However, you cannot draw the conclusion that you did above in that reporting to TSM can be interpreted as them trying to avoid reporting the incident to authorities - nothing can be further from the actual truth and if jurors believed that then they were certainly misguided

 

[BobPSU92]

Please take this opportunity to use the Ignore feature.

You guys keep responding to the trolls as if they want to consider alternative perspectives or learn. What part of trolls do you not understand? How long has this been going on?

 

[LaJolla Lion]

Actually - I'm buying that.

I tried to put my thoughts down explaining why I'm buying it, here - especially when relevant testimony from others does not corroborate Mike's story of "sexual". (And I'm not going to rehash Mike's story - way too much oxygen has been spent on that, and in the end, our state never proved its case)

View embedded media

Now mind you - like with everything else with this entire epic shitstorm - the leadership at Penn State, our public officials, the media, the NCAA, victim advocacy groups and the public ALL reacted first and developed responses to that reaction.

Consistently everyone has failed to slow down, ask questions or seek more information. Starting with the "anal rape in a Penn State shower" that never happened, to just about every decision made along the way.

In other words, the cart has continually been put before the horse. I think that horse has been left to die out in a field somewhere and these groups just hitched their own selves up to the cart to keep on pulling it.

I'm not buying that for a second. The normal notifications were discussed and a decision to be "humane" instead of cautious was chosen. Was it criminal, nope. Was it the smart decision, nope. They were doing Jerry and TSM a solid which was a bad decision. I know you're balls to the wall over Dr Jack and rightly so, but pointing the finger elsewhere doesn't mean they made a sound decision. TSM was not chosen as a reporting agency, but as a courtesy. Spinning that differently now isn't going to work.

 

[no1lion99]

Actually - I'm buying that.

I tried to put my thoughts down explaining why I'm buying it, here - especially when relevant testimony from others does not corroborate Mike's story of "sexual". (And I'm not going to rehash Mike's story - way too much oxygen has been spent on that, and in the end, our state never proved its case)

View embedded media

Now mind you - like with everything else with this entire epic shitstorm - the leadership at Penn State, our public officials, the media, the NCAA, victim advocacy groups and the public ALL reacted first and developed responses to that reaction.

Consistently everyone has failed to slow down, ask questions or seek more information. Starting with the "anal rape in a Penn State shower" that never happened, to just about every decision made along the way.

In other words, the cart has continually been put before the horse. I think that horse has been left to die out in a field somewhere and these groups just hitched their own selves up to the cart to keep on pulling it.

Yet certain people just refuse to accept the outcome of events even when they have been yelling for years how when CSS get a chance to tell their story truth will win the day. Well CSS had their chance. Two of them told of how they committed a crime and the other sat silent. The cart before the horse crowd immediately screamed it was more proof of the corrupt system! You keep telling us how this is about TSM for you, but your actions keep telling us that it isn't.

 

[AvgUser]

The

Yet certain people just refuse to accept the outcome of events even when they have been yelling for years how when CSS get a chance to tell their story truth will win the day. Well CSS had their chance. Two of them told of how they committed a crime and the other sat silent. The cart before the horse crowd immediately screamed it was more proof of the corrupt system! You keep telling us how this is about TSM for you, but your actions keep telling us that it isn't.

Correction. The two did not tell how they committed a crime. The two accepted a trumped up parking ticket because it became clear that they would not get a fair shake. The evidence of that? Look no further than Spanier's trial. There was zero evidence for which to convict him of anything. Yet, a jury of people who were certainly not his critically thinking peers still felt as if someone had to pay. One said he regretted his decision.

 

[no1lion99]

The

Correction. The two did not tell how they committed a crime. The two accepted a trumped up parking ticket because it became clear that they would not get a fair shake. The evidence of that? Look no further than Spanier's trial. There was zero evidence for which to convict him of anything. Yet, a jury of people who were certainly not his critically thinking peers still felt as if someone had to pay. One said he regretted his decision.

The irony. Oh the irony.

 

[Mixolydian]

I'm not buying that for a second. The normal notifications were discussed and a decision to be "humane" instead of cautious was chosen. Was it criminal, nope. Was it the smart decision, nope. They were doing Jerry and TSM a solid which was a bad decision. I know you're balls to the wall over Dr Jack and rightly so, but pointing the finger elsewhere doesn't mean they made a sound decision. TSM was not chosen as a reporting agency, but as a courtesy. Spinning that differently now isn't going to work.

You're not buying what for a second? Wendy's blog is full of irrefutable facts that are are separable from your typical soapbox rant and you're not buying it for a second? Oh wait maybe you're being "sarcastic" again?

I ask again when will Joe and CSS have been trashed and blamed enough before it's OK with you to trash and blame the other even more culpable participants who made mistakes that caused this mess to escalate and were never blamed for anything. Just let us know all knowing one.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

The

Correction. The two did not tell how they committed a crime. The two accepted a trumped up parking ticket because it became clear that they would not get a fair shake. The evidence of that? Look no further than Spanier's trial. There was zero evidence for which to convict him of anything. Yet, a jury of people who were certainly not his critically thinking peers still felt as if someone had to pay. One said he regretted his decision.

True. I don't think it was intentional or criminal, but Tim and Schultz were smart to take the plea IMO. Unlike Graham they had emails and notes that would have been harder to defend. They certainly would have had trouble defending their own words. They spoke directly to MM. Graham did not. With their plea, EWOC is the most it could be. To be honest they should have been charged for stupidity with one decision and that is about it. Instead Joe's name was like blood in the water for the sharks and these emails/notes were the chum. The rest is history now.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

You're not buying what for a second? Wendy's blog is full of irrefutable facts that are are separable from your typical soapbox rant and you're not buying it for a second? Oh wait maybe you're being "sarcastic" again?

You are really getting dumb. Read slowly and mouth the words of you have to. Saying TSM is a reporting agency now is 6 years too late. It was never presented that way because the men actually discussed the right agencies in emails when this occurred. They had every opportunity to say this and never once did. Remember this was the HUMANE choice. Is that clear enough for you? Can you comprehend this statement now?

 

[Mixolydian]

You are really getting dumb. Read slowly and mouth the words of you have to. Saying TSM is a reporting agency now is 6 years too late. It was never presented that way because the men actually discussed the right agencies in emails when this occurred. They had every opportunity to say this and never once did. Remember this was the HUMANE choice. Is that clear enough for you? Can you comprehend this statement now?

You need to read slowly dummy. That's not even her point. Wow.

 

[BobPSU92]

Come on, Mix. Stop wasting your time.

 

[Mixolydian]

Come on, Mix. Stop wasting your time.

It's too much fun watching a one legged man in an ass kicking contest.

 

[BobPSU92]

It's too much fun watching a one legged man in an ass kicking contest.

But it's a nice day. Go outside and play.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

I would again ask why CYS was not contacted directly if the intent was for CYS to be contacted through TSM? It doesn't make any sense. Not the only doesn't it make sense, but where have CSS conveyed that intent?

You are such a jackass - what the hell are you talking about with "intent to contact DPW/CYS". The CPSL Code DEFINES what a qualifies as a "Report" to Child Welfare Agencies moron. PSU's General Counsel would be very familiar with INTERPRETING this PA Legal Code. Members of PSU's Admin met with the their GC regarding the incident and reviewed their plan to report with him. The GC said he recommended reporting. PSU, IN FACT, made a qualifying report under the APPLICABLE PA LEGAL CODE, the PA CPSL Code, to the APPLICABLE CHILD WELFARE AGENCIES.

Now you're trying to claim that they didn't make a "Report" under PA CPSL Law despite the fact that the FACTUALLY DID MAKE A REPORT, because they "didn't intend to make the report" in your opinion whatever the phuck that is supposed to mean, LMFAO. What a reprehensible, little piece of garbage you are to be assailing others character with antics like this....why am I not surprised that you defend prosecutors, let alone the highest-ranking prosecutor in the land that float intentionally false Presentments & Indictments for the purpose of Malicious Prosecution?!?! Go figure!

 

[LaJolla Lion]

It's too much fun watching a one legged man in an ass kicking contest.

LOL, you're still in rookie ball little guy. I'm trying my best to actually give you the benefit of the doubt, but it's becoming clear you live in a fantasy land. You sound like fools now trumpeting TSM as the we're off the hook card. There is a reason they didn't use that as a defense. Try and figure out why. Read Tim's emails and then come back and say TSM was the chosen reporting agency. Let me know how you and not Wen can pull it together. It should be EPIC!!!!

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

I don't believe that CSS thought TSM had any requirement to report Jerry to CYS. I think (and apparently so the the jurors) that the email shows that they purposely were trying to avoid reporting the incident to authorities. That's why they talk about reporting it to that other agency if their message was not heard by Jerry.

What laughable phucking nonsense - PSU's General Counsel would have no idea what the prescriptions of the PA CPSL Code are or TSM's relationship with DPW/CYS despite the fact that PSU's GC also did volunteer work for TSM and his wife was a member of the Board there? Yea, sure, whatever you say douche-bag.... Sure glad the legal system of Pennsylvania isn't supposed to function upon the dictates of Laws & Legal Codes such as the applicable Legal Code here, the PA CPSL Code, but rather should merely make rulings and function off of your esteemed, wonderful "opinions", LMFAO. You are such a piece of human excrement trool and tool, it isn't eve funny.

 

[coveydidnt]

Actually - I'm buying that.

I tried to put my thoughts down explaining why I'm buying it, here - especially when relevant testimony from others does not corroborate Mike's story of "sexual". (And I'm not going to rehash Mike's story - way too much oxygen has been spent on that, and in the end, our state never proved its case)

View embedded media

Now mind you - like with everything else with this entire epic shitstorm - the leadership at Penn State, our public officials, the media, the NCAA, victim advocacy groups and the public ALL reacted first and developed responses to that reaction.

Consistently everyone has failed to slow down, ask questions or seek more information. Starting with the "anal rape in a Penn State shower" that never happened, to just about every decision made along the way.

In other words, the cart has continually been put before the horse. I think that horse has been left to die out in a field somewhere and these groups just hitched their own selves up to the cart to keep on pulling it.

Your have managed to devolve to a point where you post & get 6 likes, each from the free-jerry/jerry is innocent crowd.

I urge you in the strongest possible terms to take a breath & reflect on that. Is this the group that you want to be associated with?

When Steve Masters and Jeff Simon's are on your side it's really time to re-evaluate what you stand for.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

The

Correction. The two did not tell how they committed a crime. The two accepted a trumped up parking ticket because it became clear that they would not get a fair shake. The evidence of that? Look no further than Spanier's trial. There was zero evidence for which to convict him of anything. Yet, a jury of people who were certainly not his critically thinking peers still felt as if someone had to pay. One said he regretted his decision.

Not just "one" juror, the freaking Jury Foreman. And he not only said that he regretted that he let it happen, but that it was a clear "mistake" due to cowardice based on the evidence presented, the criminal legal standard and the Judge's instructions to the Jury.

 

[getmyjive11]

You're not hearing me jive
You report the incident to TSM so they do what they are REQUIRED to do - which they didn't
They have responsibilities that, if done properly, would have avoided this

However, you cannot draw the conclusion that you did above in that reporting to TSM can be interpreted as them trying to avoid reporting the incident to authorities - nothing can be further from the actual truth and if jurors believed that then they were certainly misguided

I understand your point, I don't agree with it. You can't back your way into reporting the incident. Irregardless of what TSM's responsibilities are, the report was never made to the proper authorities. I would ask why none of CSS's legal teams brought this up in trial or filings?

 

[getmyjive11]

LOL, you're still in rookie ball little guy. I'm trying my best to actually give you the benefit of the doubt, but it's becoming clear you live in a fantasy land. You sound like fools now trumpeting TSM as the we're off the hook card. There is a reason they didn't use that as a defense. Try and figure out why. Read Tim's emails and then come back and say TSM was the chosen reporting agency. Let me know how you and not Wen can pull it together. It should be EPIC!!!!

Highly paid lawyers for three different individuals had six years to come up with the "REPORTING TO TSM IS LIKE REPORTING TO CYS" defense and none took it. I guess CSS should have hired the internet sleuths that we have here instead.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

I understand your point, I don't agree with it. You can't back your way into reporting the incident. Irregardless of what TSM's responsibilities are, the report was never made to the proper authorities. I would ask why none of CSS's legal teams brought this up in trial or filings?

They didn't bring it up because C/S/S weren't even required to report it - none of them were Mandatory Reporters and they still caused a qualifying Report to be made! - and the FTR Charges were dropped by prosecutors because they had no case, you fargging @sshat! C/S/S won the case in regards to the FTR charge just as they won 24 of the 27 charges against them including all of the Felony Charges despite your attempt to characterize it otherwise! The State did not win their FTR Charges and pathetically dropped those charges just like all the others FALSE CHARGES they brought. IOW, you're full of $hit as per usual - C/S/S won the FTR charges and the State lost on those counts, but don't let little things like FACTS get in the way of your story!!!

 

[getmyjive11]

They didn't bring it up because C/S/S weren't even required to report it - none of them were Mandatory Reporters and they still caused a qualifying Report to be made! - and the FTR Charges were dropped by prosecutors because they had no case, you fargging @sshat! C/S/S won the case in regards to the FTR charge just as they won 24 of the 27 charges against them including all of the Felony Charges despite your attempt to characterize it otherwise! The State did not win their FTR Charges and pathetically dropped those charges just like all the others FALSE CHARGES they brought. IOW, you're full of $hit as per usual - C/S/S won the FTR charges and the State lost on those counts, but don't let little things like FACTS get in the way of your story!!!

I know, I know... winning to you is being found/pleading guilty to only three crimes. I wonder why Spanier is even appealing his verdict since he "won"?

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Highly paid lawyers for three different individuals had six years to come up with the "REPORTING TO TSM IS LIKE REPORTING TO CYS" defense and none took it. I guess CSS should have hired the internet sleuths that we have here instead.

More BULL$HIT and DIAMETRICALLY FALSE INFORMATION from the trolls, go figure! The State LOST on the FTR Charges @$$munch, they didn't get convictions on them! LMFAO, the fact that you are allowed to post these lies and pure propaganda character-assassination against PSU is just ridiculous.