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Nolf Vs. IMar

Most people wondered if the true freshmen Zain Retherford could keep his dual match vs Logan Stieber within a regular decision.

Then Logan cut Zain in the first and then Logan chose bottom to start the second. We know what happened next.

They don't wrestle the matches on paper for a reason.
 
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Will be a great match, CP and his Gulibon ranking and now Willie picking Nolf. Sounds like a little homer picks from FLO again. Nolf is a great wrestler but isn't in Martinez League. If anybody wants to make a bet I'm game? Has to be someone that is honest because I want to make sure I can collect. Had a bet from one of your own that didn't follow through with his loss.
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Since you think JoJo will beat Nolf next time they wrestle, most of us are waiting for that opportunity to lay down our bets.
 
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Will be a great match, CP and his Gulibon ranking and now Willie picking Nolf. Sounds like a little homer picks from FLO again. Nolf is a great wrestler but isn't in Martinez League. If anybody wants to make a bet I'm game? Has to be someone that is honest because I want to make sure I can collect. Had a bet from one of your own that didn't follow through with his loss.
What exactly is the definition of "not in his league". To me that means at least a major decision to fall under that statement. Are you willing to wager a bet that IMar majors Nolf?
 
I love this line from an article:

"... this match doesn’t have the same feel as the last super match fans were able to witness: Kyle Dake vs David Taylor. In that match Taylor was viewed as an unstoppable force looking to run into the immovable object Kyle Dake. This match however, feels like two unstoppable forces running into each other ...”

( http://takedownwrestle.com/wrestlin...f-the-unbeaten-jason-nolf-vs-isaiah-martinez/ )
 
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#$&* realism. Nolf about to shock the NCAA wrestling world. I'd rather be wrong than lack confidence.

So, I can predict the future...

I didn't even get to enjoy it, either. I was gone at a HS tournament all day. I told the coaches that I was with to not tell me any spoilers so I could come home and enjoy it. We got 30min away from home and one of the wrestlers on the team screams from the back of the bus, "HEY CROPDUSTER, MARTINEZ GOT PINNED!"

I'm still %&$*ing livid about it.
 
If it wasn't for IMar most of us would be anticipating a title this season for Jason, and the reason for that is Jason is that darn good. Martinez is pretty darn good also. The idea Martinez will shred Jason is beyond silly to the point that it is equal to the idea Jason will take Martinez down 10 times.

I do not expect the typical low scoring match seen when two elite wrestlers compete against each other. Neither one of these two do I expect to wrestle trying hard to not lose. They both I expect will wrestle to win, which should provide some serious wrestling action and entertainment.

I will not be surprised if Martinez wins, but neither will I be shocked if Jason prevails. I do expect whoever scores the last points will be the victor.
What I meant to say was Nolf will make Martinez wrestle at a pace that drain Martinez's gas tank and allow Martinez to peacefully accept his dream of being an undefeated 4-timer to die without so much as a whimper.
Wow.
 
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Thank you for posting that - awesome

That was awesome. Watched all the replays on btn - it appeared that Nolf pinned I-Mar largely using his knee and shin straddled across I-Mars right-shoulder and chest. Nolf was somewhat reversed on him kind of in a cross-body position but it looked like he was kneeling on I-Mar's uppoer body from his right shoulder across his chest with his right knee and shin. I-Mar was clearly gassed but Nolf was squarely kneeling across his upper body with his right leg which given the strength of the leg can exert a tremendous amount of downward pressure - can't say I've ever seen somebody pinned that way before.
 
That was awesome. Watched all the replays on btn - it appeared that Nolf pinned I-Mar largely using his knee and shin straddled across I-Mars right-shoulder and chest. Nolf was somewhat reversed on him kind of in a cross-body position but it looked like he was kneeling on I-Mar's uppoer body from his right shoulder across his chest with his right knee and shin. I-Mar was clearly gassed but Nolf was squarely kneeling across his upper body with his right leg which given the strength of the leg can exert a tremendous amount of downward pressure - can't say I've ever seen somebody pinned that way before.
check out the flow footage. different angles
 
So we have;

Nolf will win of course
IMar by decision 11-8
Imar like 10-5/12-7
imar by 3
I think IMAR will win
IMAR by at least (5) the first time they meet
Imar by 5
12-7 IMar
Nolf 5-4
I don't think Jason beats IMar, (but) it certainly wouldn't surprise me
(Nolf) will stick him in the first match up
he (Imar) will beat Nolf this week
IMar wins a close battle by 2-3 pts
I'm taking Nolf
Agreed! (taking Nolf too)
I have no idea who will win
I have IMar by 5-6
Whoever scores the most points should win
My heart says Nolf, my brain says Martinez
ready to call this one a toss-up
IMar can and will beat him....not overly suprised if Nolf beats IMar
close match, with the margin being 1-2 points
I'll say 6 -5 Jason
I think Nolf will win

Which blind squirrel will find a nut?
No one with nuts tonight. Do not see anyone with a fall, however, I did see that prediction on scout.
 
I'm all in with Papabear.

Bwahahahaa -Tognetti. Your jealousy and disdain for PENN STATE has clouded your crystal ball. You don't know diddly squat about wrestling. See you at the NCAA's - you'll be buying me a beer, or else you'll be wearing one.
 
Regarding a great video segment to capture for this match...

Start at about 2:10 in the 1st period. IMar attempted multiple power moves to throw Nolf. He tries at 2:07, he hits a 1:59 setup for a 1:57 throw and again an attempted throw at 1:55.

But the biggest power throw and amazing counter event started at 1:50. It may have been a tipping point in the match.

Martinez put so much power into that throw and had so much initial success, the announcer said, "And there it is." at 1:48, when Nolf was thrown to his left, to one knee, as Jason's shoulders tilted perpendicular with the mat.

It looked like it was going to be a hugely successful IMar throw... and it probably would have been against most wrestlers.

Then the announcer said, "Here's that high IQ of Nolf," as in midst throw, with his left knee down and shoulders perpendicular, Nolf put his left palm down on the mat. Then in a flash, he was able to kick out his left leg, so it was further out to the left. It gave him a wider base and it got Nolf back on his feet and it kept his hips raised.

All of that meant that their two bodies stayed sided-by-side, bellies down, as they hit the mat, instead of Nolf on his back with IMar on top.

But... It wasn't over... Nolf turned his body at right angles to Nolf and was up on his feet, as IMar was still locking Nolf's head and right arm. IMar released his grip and dove for Nolf's legs. Nolf, free from the grip, made one jump away, causing IMar to grasp air with his arms. Nolf's next immediate jump was back toward IMar's back, as IMar was now on all fours.

Now Nolf was generally fighting to be in back of IMar during a circling flurry at 1:45. IMar stood to try to escape, but in a critical move, Nolf pulled IMAr down toward the mat. It was like trying to stay with a bucking bronco. As IMar continued to resist, Nolf got his right leg between IMars', on the inside of the knee, which collapsed an attempt by IMar to stand. They swirled to the mat, with Nolf sinking in his left leg, on top for the takedown at 1:37.

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These mere words do not do justice to the incredible sequence of events. You have to see it. It is full of action, but also a complete reversal of fortune. What looked like a sure thing power throw by IMar ended with Nolf riding heavy on top, with his left leg firmly sunk in and wrapped on IMar's leg. TD Nolf!!

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That was a full 30 seconds that expended a huge amount of energy from IMar. Yet it resulted in IMar being taken down. That sequence had to be incredibly draining for IMar, both physically and mentally.

There was more great wrestling to come from both in the match and many more points to be scored. But I look at that series of attempted IMar power throws and Nolf's cat-like ability to rapidly adjust and reverse the attacks, as an exciting, if not critical series that set the stage for what was to come.

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Perhaps someone can grab that segment in a video clip from about 2:10 in the 1st, until about 1:25, when the announcer said, "Fantastic start here for Nolf. He was able to ward off all that strength and power."

It would be an amazing clip of these two stellar wrestlers, in their first match.

Enjoy!!
 
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Here's a link with video and Beyers audio....

What I loved the most about watching this is the lack of emotion by Nolf after the biggest win of his college career so far. Nothing to see here... Moving along. That's focus.

Excellent Gray52!

Didn't hear Byer's this time. He is such a great announcer. His energy and keen observations add a lot to matches.

So glad you posted that Nolf v IMar ending here, with Byers' calls,

If anyone has the whole match, with Byers calling it, please post it.

Great stuff!!
 
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Here is a quote from IMAR on the loss. "It was first match I've lost in two years," said Martinez. "It doesn't feel good to lose but I'm not making any excuses. Next time I'll be better. I was rolling around too much. That's probably where I messed up." I'm sure he will try and wrestle a different match next time, but will Jason try and push the pace even harder knowing now that he is in much better shape?
 
I like his comments. Will be interesting to see as we get closer to B1$s if that tone changes.

Will also be interesting to see how Nolf reacts this week taking on Murphy. Then sith ryan, Minotti, then a night off and concludes the dual season w either Gantt or jojo. Whereas imars schedule is not so challenging and won't push him.

Will be fun to observe how each of these alpha wrestlers handle the mounting pressure of getting back to their rocky v Apollo sequel . This will tell us a lot about prognosticating for nationals.

It's not DT v dake but it will be must see TV.
 
I'm all in with Papabear.

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Here is a quote from IMAR on the loss. "It was first match I've lost in two years," said Martinez. "It doesn't feel good to lose but I'm not making any excuses. Next time I'll be better. I was rolling around too much. That's probably where I messed up." I'm sure he will try and wrestle a different match next time, but will Jason try and push the pace even harder knowing now that he is in much better shape?

Good Question, Nolf best chance at victory is to wear him out so I would think so. I also think Imar will wrestle more conservative and choose his spots to use his amazing strength. I was soo excited to see the nolf victory but I think there will definitely be some moving of chess pieces in a different way in Nolf/Imar 2...can't wait
 
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I like his comments. Will be interesting to see as we get closer to B1$s if that tone changes.

Will also be interesting to see how Nolf reacts this week taking on Murphy. Then sith ryan, Minotti, then a night off and concludes the dual season w either Gantt or jojo. Whereas imars schedule is not so challenging and won't push him.

Will be fun to observe how each of these alpha wrestlers handle the mounting pressure of getting back to their rocky v Apollo sequel . This will tell us a lot about prognosticating for nationals.

It's not DT v dake but it will be must see TV.
Rex Holman on the Ohio State board put it best about Nolf (and Zain) - they are Terminators and really don't seem to be fazed by much. Here's his post:

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Rex Holman added to this discussion on January 24, 2016


Retherford and Nolf look like terminators. Brutal pace and willing to answer any position that is engaged. Nothing else matters beyond being the best collegiate wrestler and winning that title. Awesome display of everything that matters.

Someone mentioned Imar as talking about deep water and the podcast about getting his weight down to 157 while in season for the Olympic trials. That is kind of a jump the shark moment. He got crushed under the weight of his own expectation.

Kind of like Colt running a marathon and cutting to 157.

First off, if you start using the analogy of deep water, it just means that you are relying on your conditioning to test someone else's resolve. Well, some one is going to match if you want to play that game. Marianetti v McIlravy, 3rd go around, not the first.

I am not bashing, I've done it myself late into my career (as my dad reminded me the other day.)

If you rely entirely on pace to win, you will eventually be served a big piece of humble pie. Also, if he is messing with his calories and talking about going into deep waters. He is going to friggin' bonk, which he did yesterday.

It is easy to mistake what makes you successful with other variables at play (even for an undefeated NCAA champ)

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Not sure how accurate this is, but between IMar's pre-match comments and the match itself, it doesn't appear he or the coaches properly scouted Nolf. Pace? Nolf never stopped moving and IMar was left reacting instead of dictating. I don't know if IMar was gassed so much as mentally drained from having misallocated his energy in the first. When Nolf turned into him on that last scramble, his giving up seemed to have more to do with being unprepared to fight from his back, and the disappointment of having nothing work, than an empty gas tank. Perhaps he read and believed the hype as to his own invincibility. Probably won't play out that same way again, but what else we know is that Nolf won't be outclassed by his pace (ha) or strength. If IMar beats Nolf at the B1Gs or NCAAs, it'll have to be because he came in with a plan. And, if the rumor is true that Imar plans to drop weight in advance of the NCAAs to make a cut to 143 easier for the Olympic trials, he might want to rethink that plan too.
 
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Those head snaps on Imar were just brutal. There were a few that I thought Jason was going to plant his face into the mat. Some say Imar may have been shocked by the pace of Jason and his nonstop motor. That may be true but I'm willing to bet he may have been more taken back by Jason's strength and physicality. I honestly feel Imar may have been confused with sticking to his game plan or switching things up mid match to counter the unexpected strength Jason possessed. I think he was caught in the middle with his thinking and that's why Imar looked so bad.
 
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"JASON NOLF HAS SHOCKED THE COLLEGE WRESTLING WORLD!!" Great call! Much better than Tim Johnson and his constant malaprops.

I wish we had the camera angle with Cael, Cody and Tank in the background...hoping for a mat slap a la Quentin Wright's big pin over Gambrall.
 
Those head snaps on Imar were just brutal. There were a few that I thought Jason was going to plant his face into the mat. Some say Imar may have been shocked by the pace of Jason and his nonstop motor. That may be true but I'm willing to bet he may have been more taken back by Jason's strength and physicality. I honestly feel Imar may have been confused with sticking to his game plan or switching things up mid match to counter the unexpected strength Jason possessed. I think he was caught in the middle with his thinking and that's why Imar looked so bad.
Yo JTown - some psycho on the Hawkeye board thinks we are the same poster because you liked my post. Maybe we're long lost twins from opposite sides of the state.;)
 
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Nolf just wrestled with better technique. IMAR got in on some nice underhooks and hit a great shot at the end of P1. They were both on their offenses. I don't buy the gassing bit. Maybe the head bit a little, it was a very atypical situation for a match considering the late E1 and the stallings. Maybe he was thrown off a bit and when he went into that scramble didn't think it through fully. It was a half duck/shot and Nolf picked the ankle, pressed the scramblefunk button and it was over. Nolf - what will define him is that special ability to catch people in just weird positions. Taylor comparisons are obvious but Nolf just knows how to pin people in the weirdest ways, which I don't think was so much a Taylor trait.

Could potentially have two #1 freshman seeds at Nationals. That's insane.

Gotta love Ironhead. Passionate no matter who is scoring.

HOW DO YOU DO JASON NOLF
 
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Nolf just wrestled with better technique. IMAR got in on some nice underhooks and hit a great shot at the end of P1. They were both on their offenses. I don't buy the gassing bit. Maybe the head bit a little, it was a very atypical situation for a match considering the late E1 and the stallings. Maybe he was thrown off a bit and when he went into that scramble didn't think it through fully. It was a half duck/shot and Nolf picked the ankle, pressed the scramblefunk button and it was over. Nolf - what will define him is that special ability to catch people in just weird positions. Taylor comparisons are obvious but Nolf just knows how to pin people in the weirdest ways, which I don't think was so much a Taylor trait.

Could potentially have two #1 freshman seeds at Nationals. That's insane.

Gotta love Ironhead. Passionate no matter who is scoring.

HOW DO YOU DO JASON NOLF
Potentially 2 for PSU and 3 overall -- if Heil slips up, McKenna could get the top seed at 141.
 
So we have;

Nolf will win of course
IMar by decision 11-8
Imar like 10-5/12-7
imar by 3
I think IMAR will win
IMAR by at least (5) the first time they meet
Imar by 5
12-7 IMar
Nolf 5-4
I don't think Jason beats IMar, (but) it certainly wouldn't surprise me
(Nolf) will stick him in the first match up
he (Imar) will beat Nolf this week
IMar wins a close battle by 2-3 pts
I'm taking Nolf
Agreed! (taking Nolf too)
I have no idea who will win
I have IMar by 5-6
Whoever scores the most points should win
My heart says Nolf, my brain says Martinez
ready to call this one a toss-up
IMar can and will beat him....not overly suprised if Nolf beats IMar
close match, with the margin being 1-2 points
I'll say 6 -5 Jason
I think Nolf will win

Which blind squirrel will find a nut?
 
looks like i am the blind squirrel here. where I come from "stick" means pin. btw, i changed my mind and think jason will beat him at least once more this year. imar was too cocky and as another poster said I think he was was trying to talk himself (imar) into believing it.
 
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