Not going to jump on him but I thought Joel Klatt was a little brighter than this.
Not a "workhorse" running back
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Don't be surprised if a team or teams put out certain viewpoints in the hope that a player will fall to them, try to lower the bargaining position, or provide excuses for why they passed on a player.
He 's trying to get some views/notice by having a different opinion than everyone else. Too bad for him this particular view makes him look dumb dumb as a doorknob .
The same Joel Klatt you guys were salivating over during the Big Ten CG a couple of years ago?
Yeah. Thought so.
And he is not incorrect in his assessment and as to why. You guys watch more pro football than I do and even I know his comments are not incorrect.
Yeah. Thought so.
And he is not incorrect in his assessment and as to why. You guys watch more pro football than I do and even I know his comments are not incorrect.
Not quite sure the point, but I do remember Bugs using the phrase at least once.
And yeah, Klatt has plumbed new depths to find idiocy here. Barkley has done some magnificent things (leaps, runs for TD, etc.) but he's also done a lot of gut-busting rushing for a few very important yards. IMO Barkley is a very talented workhorse.
I don’t see it as a slam at all. SB isn’t running it 30 times and slamming into the line. He is more of a 15 carry and 5 to 8 reception kind of back. He is special and all around is better than Fournette, but they are different backs. He is better than Mcaffrey though.
Why is he not incorrect? Because a player wasn't used a workhorse in college due to the offensive scheme, that means he can't be that in the pros? Why is 6'0", 228 lb Fournette, who carried it 616 times in 3 years of college (187, 300, 129) a workhorse, but 6'1", 233 lb Barkley with 672 carries in 3 years (182, 272, 217) is not? Why is 6'0", 225 lb Zeke Elliott and his 273 and 289 carries so clearly a workhorse over Barkleys 272 and 217? Didn't Barkley prove as a sophomore he can carry just as many times as Zeke if the offense calls for it? And please explain how 6'1", 225 lb Todd Gurley was obviously the bell cow type after his 510 carries in 3 years at Geogia (222, 165, 123).
None of these guys are as big as Barkley, none ever had more than 28 carries more than Barkley did in a single season, and none carried as many times in 3 seasons as Barkley did. Meanwhile Fournette and Gurley couldn't even stay on the field due to injuries. But he "isn't incorrect"? BS.
Maybe an nfl team will just use Barkley for kickoffs.
True, but all these guys get fed lots of information from teams, some of which is disinformation.
All anyone needs to know about Barkley is that he makes big plays and is a threat to score anytime he touches the ball.
Barkley had 28 carries, 12 receptions, three kickoff returns and one tackle against Iowa. Yep, not a workhorse.
But you don't know that is how he will be used. I think you guys are just upset because someone rained on your parade. And you want the sun to always shine on all of our players.
neither do you
the fact remains he ran the ball more in college than those other guys & was used in an all purpose manner more than all of them except McCaffrey
No people are upset because the guy said something not true with not even one bit of evidence to back it up.
You are correct - I don't. So, neither one of us knows, and therefore neither one of us are correct or incorrect.
If he said "Barkley is a sure fire 1st ballot Hal of Famer", which is also not true, and without any bit of evidence, no one here would have squawked about it. You (the group "you" and not you particularly) are upset because he rained on your parade. No more. No less.
Barkley had 28 carries, 12 receptions, three kickoff returns and one tackle against Iowa. Yep, not a workhorse.
I think he drove the team bus from the hotel that day too.
The thing is there is no more "workhorse" backs in the NFL as all teams rest their RB's. I think the most carries people get now is roughly right around 20 per game.
There are so many of these anal-ysts that do not do their homework. That fact does not jus t apply to when they are making statements about PSU players but many players, coaches, and team. What's the big deal here. There are too many lazy sports media guys that just talk. If you are looking for media sports analysts that actually prepare and research before they get in front of a mic or TV Camera, you are going to be disappointed often.
I don't watch or listen to any of them and with the exception of a few sets of game day announcers, I turn off the sound when watching games... I enjoy watching the game interrupted by scripted nonsense and BS.
I don't watch or listen to any of them and with the exception of a few sets of game day announcers, I turn off the sound when watching games... I enjoy watching the game interrupted by scripted nonsense and BS.
This is the whole point. It's a passing league these days. Nobody's a workhorse RB in the old sense.
Was Joel sampling the wares in his home state?
Pretty stupid comment and the only way I can reconcile it is if he was high.
Oh I completely get and understand that...if it was coming from the Giants or the Browns but Klatt shouldn't have anything to do with that. Unless the Giants or Browns are paying him for the subterfuge and if they are then that opens up a whole other can of worms for the integrity of Joel Klatt.
That still doesn't excuse the ill informed opinion. He's actually watched him play in person at least twice.
Absolutely incorrect, again. I want valid criticism. If he wants to say maybe he looks for the homerun to much or runs to the outside or doesn't always take whats there thats fine we've all seen that time to time but what he said was just absurd. Maybe the pros will use him differently but that doesn't mean he isn't a full time back or wasn't one at PSU.
No, that would be called a prediction, which is neither right or wrong at this time. These talking heads were giving ill-formed opinons with no basis in facts and a limited understanding of how Barkley was used in Penn State's offense. The criticisms are warranted.
What a dildo. I've heard it said of Bryce Love and it could very well be true, but if Love is Mr. Outside then SB is Mr. Inside.
Yeah, I'm an old-school" guy and when I hear the phrase 'workhorse back", I think of a running back that will carry the ball 25 times+ per game. I'm not sure that is how an NFL team will use Barkley. Saying he might not be "workhorse" doesn't mean they think he won't be a team's "primary" ball carrier. I think Barkley is someone that is likely to run the ball 18-20 times per game and catch 4-6 passes per game. In the old sense of the word, 18-20 carries per game may not constitute workhorse. All depends on what your definition of "workhorse" is.
There are valid criticisms of Barkley that can be made, and I have no problem with those, so it has nothing to do with raining on any parade. However, I do have a tendency to react to people who makes baseless statements just to be contrarian.
Any suggestion that a 6'0", 233 lb back who touched the ball 21-24 times a game at 19 and 20 years old can't be a workhouse is not only baseless, it's directly contradicted by his past performance. Then to cite people that he supposedly can't be similar to who are smaller, touched it less, and were injured regularly in college just compounds ignorance with stupidity.
If i was a coach/GM i would not make Barkley a 'workhorse' running back. He is too talented. I would figure out a way to optimize his touches per game. No reason to run him 25+ carries per game and take a pounding and shorten his career span and potentially get him worn down, he is too dynamic. I figure out a way to get Barkley 15-20 touches per game both in the running and the passing game (where he could be lethal in the NFL trying to be covered by a LB or safety). Rotate him with another back who takes some load of the running game. Keep Barkley fresh for the 4th quarter and fresh for end of season and playoff run. When the playoffs role around, I up that workload to 20-25 touches per game to increase his activity when it really matters.
