Wrestling Officially Official 2022 Big Ten Tournament Thread
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Some other possibilities:
1 - Gable
2- Schultz
3 - Cass
4/5 - Hendrickson/ Kerk
6 - Parris (has historically owned Cass)
1 - Gable
2 - Schultz
3 - Cass
4 - Hendrickson
5 - Wood (close losses to Cass and Schultz, conference champ, some decent wins)
6 - Kerk
They had 3 and I think we had 6. Not sure what the value was for a first round win.
Looks like he gets a 0 for the 10% RPI and 10% winning percentage due to lack of matches at 157. Otherwise, he'd likely be slotted at the 9 seed just behind Lewan. As it stands though, I haven't a clue
Highly doubt we see Psugo around in two weeks. Trolling PSU wrestling is a fools errand.
The Desanto and Warner instances have nothing to do with MFF’s. Coaches decide what’s best for their wrestlers. Fans can agree or disagree. However when one fan base calls out a coach for doing something their own coach has done in the past that is the definition of hypocrisy.
I think so, it was very clear Amine was looking to steal that match when he was still backing up and not shooting in the first minute and half of the third period. Brooks should have stopped pursuing and let Amine come to him and played defense. That b.s. stall call may have come into play in how that all went down.
As for o.t. Brooks was so gassed getting that escape that he had nothing left. That match will be broken down and that strategy will not work again.
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I think he's just downright weird. But saying your way is much more diplomatic.
Too lazy to look it up but did any of Iowa's mff's benefit Michigan over Penn St. Point wise?
141, Nick received the win via MFF so PSU got 2 points.
The PSU bitch session seemed OK with this one.
I was amazed at the stall call on Brooks. Can anyone help me justify that one? What did I miss? (don't want to bring up the millions of comments regarding stalling... we all know 1st period and 3rd period are called differently and another factor would be if the ref didn't know the score)
source: Page 51 (of 112 pages) in NCAA 2021-22 and 2022-23 Wrestling Rules Book
Fall 2
Forfeit, Medical Forfeit 2
Default 2
Disqualification 2
Flagrant Misconduct 2
Technical Fall 1½
Advancement in Championship Bracket 1
Advancement in Wrestle-Back Bracket ½
Major Decision (by 8 through 14 points) 1
Bye followed by a win in Championship Bracket 1
Bye followed by a win in Wrestle-Back Bracket ½
Also, this:
TOURNAMENT SCORING CHART
-----------------1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th 8th
Eight Places 16 --12 --10 --9 --7 ---6 ---4--- 3
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In all honesty I believe the ref threw that warning out there in case Brooks decided to back out for the last 10 or 15 seconds the ref could send it to OT. Situational officiating. In other words, a poor official.
However, I do not think the officiating had anything to do with that outcome. As FT said, Amine had a plan and executed it.
I agree. A level of bravado that I do not like.
Generally, I found our crew less enjoyable than those of the past— I.e. too much talk about “me.”
I thought as a collective our Lion's performed incredibly well. The Wolverines may be old (like the Hawks) but noone can say that they didn't earn the title. Well done.
As for woulda coulda shoulda... If we could have the last 30 seconds back in 3 matches we win going away:
Hildy vs Deaugustino - my money says Hildy was under the weather the whole weekend.
Kerk vs Cass - oh my, pretty much inexcusable on so many levels. Hello Gable.
Brooks vs Amine - you had him but he is a world class wrestler. The margin is razor thin at this level.
Nationals is going to be a donnybrook, I like our chances.
PS - every team has woulda coulda shoulda... matches.
As for woulda coulda shoulda... If we could have the last 30 seconds back in 3 matches we win going away:
Hildy vs Deaugustino - my money says Hildy was under the weather the whole weekend.
Kerk vs Cass - oh my, pretty much inexcusable on so many levels. Hello Gable.
Brooks vs Amine - you had him but he is a world class wrestler. The margin is razor thin at this level.
Nationals is going to be a donnybrook, I like our chances.
PS - every team has woulda coulda shoulda... matches.
I am still a fan of speak softly and carry a big stick.
In the former’s case, he also expressed his feeling about the greater being. I don’t think I heard any of that from these guys ( from Marinelli, yes).
There are lots of factors that go into the final point spread. But, I look back to one seemingly small call that I think played a crucial factor in final result: the full nelson penalty point against Hildebrandt vs DeAugustino. Without that point, Hildebrandt wins in regulation and doesn't meet McKee in early wrestlebacks.
But my hat's off to Michigan. They wrestled a great tournament. Seven wrestlers beat their seeds, 3 matched their seeds and NO ONE finished below their seed. That's pretty amazing. In case anyone is interested in seed/placing for them:
125: 1 1
133 5 3
141: 6 4
149: 11 8
157 3 2
165: 4 2
174: 2 2
184: 2 1
197: 5 3
285: 4 4 (Interesting that NCAA runner-up here was one of few that didn't beat his seed at #4)
Again--hats off to Michigan who really came to wrestle.
But my hat's off to Michigan. They wrestled a great tournament. Seven wrestlers beat their seeds, 3 matched their seeds and NO ONE finished below their seed. That's pretty amazing. In case anyone is interested in seed/placing for them:
125: 1 1
133 5 3
141: 6 4
149: 11 8
157 3 2
165: 4 2
174: 2 2
184: 2 1
197: 5 3
285: 4 4 (Interesting that NCAA runner-up here was one of few that didn't beat his seed at #4)
Again--hats off to Michigan who really came to wrestle.
There were a lot of woulda coulda shouda's. Some you outlined above to also include Saturday losses by Edsell and Berge that were tight matches, but the biggest reason why PSU lost is getting zero points at 125 from the 2nd seed. If that happens next week the race will be much tighter than most of us have thought over the last month or so.
My issue has nothing to do with who won or lost the tournament.
My issue is I foresee college wrestling becoming a one weekend sport. Which, for all intents and purposes in deciding who the best Big Ten team was this year, it already did.
Guess I was wrong.
I was impressed with Kerkvleits gamesmanship he set up some rolls from bottom after going down 0-2 in one of his last couple matches.
I also liked Cael’s reaction to Brooks left ankle getting picked twice it was that look that says yep that’s the one I would have gone to also. I do like the PSU staffs demeanor and think they’re good for the sport.
Hey JS, some talk over on HR that Assad looks burnt out. You should run and tell them that’s just preposterous. Lol
I think the # 1 & 2 seeds should get bonus points that the 3rd and 4th seed earn in the 1st round. #1 seed gets the same bonus #3 acquires and #2 gets #4's bonus. Just my opinion as it seems a team like PSU with 5 #1 seeds loses out on easy bonus points. It would be interesting to know what the coaches think about it. Less matches or more point possibilities?
It was a fabulous tournament for Michigan. I can’t remember (ever) a team having all 10 guys at or better than seed. PSU was solid too, with 8 of 10 wrestling to seed or better. With decompression at NCAA’s, if something similar happens, I really like our chances.
I think if the wrestler receives the bye, if he scores bonus during any one match on the front side (not the backside) he will receive those bonus points for the bye as well. Only one match and highest bonus tho. So if he scores a major in quarters, a tech in semis and fall in finals, he gets the bonus for that finals match but also gets the additional bonus for his bye.
I'm not sure pointing out the great wrestling minds of HR have the same take as you is a great look...
Has nothing to do with my look. Just thought he gave me all sorts of hell for saying things along those lines early in the season that maybe he should go give it to them as well. Appreciate the concern tho…
Get in line. This can be dealt with........
After "they" change the stalling rules
Then the riding rules
the edge wrestling rules
the takedown scoring rules
the merkle
the conference allocation procedures
the seeding criteria
and Wrestlestat
After "they" change the stalling rules
Then the riding rules
the edge wrestling rules
the takedown scoring rules
the merkle
the conference allocation procedures
the seeding criteria
and Wrestlestat
I’ll speak for this fanbase and say the comments are more around your guys aren’t as tough as you see yourself by the 5 recent examples I referenced. Looks like a pattern. How many times did Gable do it? I would have loved to see J/N and Gable do his thing as a fan for my entertainment. Iowa cannot play the tough card anymore, that’s all I’m saying.
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On the flip side, Iowa left the tournament limping to a distant third with half their team MFFing out of the tournament. Not good heading into the NCAAs as the defending champ...
I’m staying off their board and I am better for it. But I did catch a thread saying they should schedule differently in the weeks before Big Tens, comparing them wrestling Nebraska and OKST to PSU wrestling Rider going into the conference tournament. Here I thought such things don’t matter.
That's typical tHR BS.
Its how they train not their schedule that contributes to all these athletes breaking down.
That’s the kinda stuff that makes that board so f*n to visit. They never stop to think about what they are saying, how things can come back on them and Im now convinced they have no idea that some folks remember what they say. I didn’t care enough to dig but I’d bet the same ones now claiming maybe something is up with Assad whether it be burnt out or not being in love with the sport anymore are the same ones that gave me shit for saying it months and months ago. If that’s so, that’s some really f*n stuff! Lol.
I’m fine with that. Someone saying they’re tough doesn’t affect the outcome at Nationals. Worsening an injury at a conference tourney to the point a wrestler can no longer compete or is hindered further does affect the outcome at Nationals. I choose what’s best for Nationals as the Iowa coaching staff did as well.
Another good example of things coming back to haunt them. While they were celebrating the return of all their guys, they were laughing at me for suggesting that bringing back beaten and battered old guys may not be as great as they are making it out to be. Now it’s possible two weeks will magically fix all that is ailing them and I’ll look really dumb (well…more than usual anyway) but I doubt it.
I love reading threads on HR that state they should do things like Cael does!
Next thing we will hear coming out of Iowa City is the planned addition of a dodge ball court inside the new wrestling complex.
I agree. Think they did right thing. I said early in the season that I wouldn’t wrestle Kem till after new year and all their older guys I’d put on a major pitch count. I think the Brands did that and it was the right decision. Time will tell if it was enough to get them through the big dance.
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