Wrestling Officially Official 2022 Big Ten Tournament Thread

[donboy6499]

i'm somewhat a broken record on this, but i think micic had a bad tournament. he confirmed for me that he is not a threat to score points. went 3-2. wins over 10, 13, and 14 seeds (none ranked in intermat's top 33). all of those wins were close. losses to intermat's 18th (5-0 dominant) and 31st ranked wrestlers.

he'll need another bracket implosion and/or miracle backside path to score more than a point for them.

See I was going to mention him, but then mid sentence of typing I realized I had no expectations of him and I still will be really shocked if he places at nationals.

I had no expectations of him, and I really have none of Storr. So just me personally, anything they gave beyond 0-2 was a positive.

 

[Random4598375]

Still don't understand the wording of this rule - "leave your feet" implies jumping into the air with both feet. We used to call this move a variation of a "back trip". You swivel your hip one direction, or the other, step across standing wrestler with near-leg to hip swivel, go to a knee at same time with far knee.... and pull standing wrestler back directly over extended leg. You don't jump into the air - you step across with near leg to hip swivel. I'm not even sure it is possible to "leave your feet" (again this is plural and implies jumping into air - i.e., no feet on the ground... "leaving your feet") when you're essentially holding your opponent in your locked hands.

This is really confusing. Here is the page with illustrations:

The rule quoted above covers two thing - the illegal cut back in pic 44, which doesn't have to be "leaving the feet", and the illegal double knee kick back in pics 45 (double leg) and 46 (single leg), where "leaving the feet" is what makes it illegal. I think what makes the cutback illegal is the right leg laced in the crotch to pull down the opponent on the hip swivel. To be legal, it needs to be arms in the crotch or around the waist to pull the opponent down with the hip swivel.

I didn't see the move Hildebrandt got called for (BTN was on a different mat at the time...), so I don't know how well this applies to what he did.

 

[railbirrd]

Michigan collectively wrestled one helluva nice tournament.

The following is from Trackwrestling's statistics for B1Gs:

Largest seed place difference

Team​	Seed Place Difference​
1​	Minnesota​	17​
2​	Michigan​	13​
2​	Northwestern​	13​
4​	Illinois​	7​
5​	Maryland​	4​
6​	Penn State​	0​
6​	Purdue​	0​
6​	Rutgers​	0​
9​	Ohio State​	-1​
10​	Wisconsin​	-2​
11​	Indiana​	-3​
12​	Iowa​	-6​
13​	Nebraska​	-9​
14​	Michigan State​	-13​

 

[railbirrd]

This is really confusing. Here is the page with illustrations:

The rule quoted above covers two thing - the illegal cut back in pic 44, which doesn't have to be "leaving the feet", and the illegal double knee kick back in pics 45 (double leg) and 46 (single leg), where "leaving the feet" is what makes it illegal. I think what makes the cutback illegal is the right leg laced in the crotch to pull down the opponent on the hip swivel. To be legal, it needs to be arms in the crotch or around the waist to pull the opponent down with the hip swivel.

I didn't see the move Hildebrandt got called for (BTN was on a different mat at the time...), so I don't know how well this applies to what he did.

I seem to recall that a (PSU?) wrestler was mentioned on the BTN broadcast as having been called for illegal scissors. Does anyone remember that? And which wrestler it was?

 

[RoarLions1]

I find this all very interesting...

The following is from Trackwrestling's statistics for B1Gs:

Largest seed place difference

Team​	Seed Place Difference​
1​	Minnesota​	17​
2​	Michigan​	13​
2​	Northwestern​	13​
4​	Illinois​	7​
5​	Maryland​	4​
6​	Penn State​	0​
6​	Purdue​	0​
6​	Rutgers​	0​
9​	Ohio State​	-1​
10​	Wisconsin​	-2​
11​	Indiana​	-3​
12​	Iowa​	-6​
13​	Nebraska​	-9​
14​	Michigan State​	-13​

As impressive as the Minnesota, Michigan and Northwestern numbers are, the Nebraska results have to be disappointing. My recollection of most Big Ten tournaments is that the home team does better-than-the-seed-predictions, simply due to home-mat advantage.

 

[Random4598375]

As impressive as the Minnesota, Michigan and Northwestern numbers are, the Nebraska results have to be disappointing. My recollection of most Big Ten tournaments is that the home team does better-than-the-seed-predictions, simply due to home-mat advantage.

Agreed. Nebraska was the biggest disappointment of the whole tournament. It started with Red's shocking opening round loss to Rooks and went downhill from there, ending with Schultz's failure to secure a B1G title for the home team. I considered Nebraska the 4th best team in the conference, especially as a tournament team instead of a dual team, but they didn't come anywhere close to living up to that.

 

[nitlion6]

I seem to recall that a (PSU?) wrestler was mentioned on the BTN broadcast as having been called for illegal scissors. Does anyone remember that? And which wrestler it was?

Edsell. Not sure if it was the first match, but I think it was the Carlson match.