I thought the same thing. Supposed to be 1 second. Seems a lot of falls are called fairly quick in college. Ed Scott got a fall called on him at Nationals during a roll through.
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Beau appeared to be completely in charge as the match wore on. My favorite TV moment was the start of 3rd period, Beau ahead 4-0, Mendez had already positioned himself on bottom, waiting for Beau to go on top. Covelli Center was noisy with the dong-dong-dong sounding. The TV showing a close-up of Beau, who at that point motioned to the ref (Reynaldo Santiago, by the way) he couldn't hear. Beau stood by for a good 10 secs or more waiting for the dong-dong-dong to end before he took his position on top. You'll probably say anyone would have reacted the same to the noise, but it seemed like a veteran move on the part of Beau.
What I think I see from a lot of refs at the college level is to be quick with the call if the back exposure has been sustained — i.e., on an initial exposure, they more often wait for a mental count of a second or so with both shoulders down . . . but if a guy has been fighting off or rolling back-and-forth, it becomes more of a touch-pin the instant both shoulders touch.
Of course, calling a quick pin on initial exposure is probably limited by the time it takes refs to get into a position to see what’s going on down there in the first place.
Because Davis had the leg trapped between the cradle (and he immediately rolled through), the reversal call was definitely questionable - that's why Cael threw the challenge brick.
Folk is one full count (i.e., one full second) with both shoulder blades touching mat. Free is instantaneous when both blades touch. Was hard to tell in Luke's match as the angle B1G was giving was from the diametric wrong side. It did look like the pin was called as soon as both blades touched, not after a full one-count, but hard to say given the camera angle.
Different angle on btn showed what I saw as an instantaneous touch and one shoulder was off a few inches when fall was called.
I saw the interview w Coach Ryan where he said the Ohio State (I hate OSU as the abbrev) kids outwrestled their opponents at 133 and 141, but things didnt go their way.
I can understand his frustration at 133, but think he was just making excuses at 141 after his earlier comments.
I can understand his frustration at 133, but think he was just making excuses at 141 after his earlier comments.
IF that's what he said, that's why some people don't buy the constant chatter that Ryan's a great guy, great coach, etc.. Look, the only responsible answer from a coach is, "our guys didn't do what they needed to do. Neither one scored a takedown (or got close), etc. Give credit to the PSU guys who did what they had to do to win in our arena". I hate the "our guy is better and he wrestled better, but an average ref screwed them".
Yeah, it was quick; appeared to be a "touch" fall as soon as the second shoulder contacted the mat. But not an egregiously bad call IMO, and like you say it would have been difficult for Lilledahl to avoid the pin much longer.
Tan Tom says some stupid sh!t occasionally, but at least he usually says what he really feels. In this case he was looking to give his guys all the credit he can, even the guys who got teched. While I don't agree with his take that Mendez out-wrestled Bartlett, he also threw out a few complements to PSU guys.
In the overall spectrum of Tan Tom douchery, this interview barely moved the needle.
I took a stab at 'Jesse's skills'
Jesse's not my friend
Jesse's a big threat of mine
But lately Tom Ryan's on Twitter talking bout Jesse's skills and a 2025 Natty and I want to make it mine!!
Oh Tom's looking at him with those dead lift eyes,
He's giving him a black shirt I just know it,
He's keeping him in his tanning bed late late at night.
Oh I wish that I had Jesse’s skills!!
All points scored outside of escapes in The past two matches between Mendez and Beau were scored on exchanges initiated by Beau so Ryan can kiss off on his BS about the two.
Now bound, the NIL/portal marriage will never be annulled. Filthy-rich boosters will gladly look to spend discretionary wealth on pride projects like a favorite college team. Young athletes and families will always consider windfalls unimagined just years ago.
You may fret but are right. Cael seems uniquely positioned to meet challenges raised solely by NIL/portal (i.e., opponents getting short-term better via mercenaries). The best weapons are HS recruiting, individual and team success, strength of RTC, and culture. Cael is skilled in all of them. On top of that, some hired guns may approach the valley on their own.
I am just happy that he wasn't so quick with Davis. Definitely close. Did both shoulders touch for just an instant? I am not sure, but...
I love listening to good honest coaches, since I was never in a high level of competition it helps with understanding the mind set if what actually goes on in the room without to much info getting out. Ryan, Dresser, Taylor and swartz, yes even manning I like listening to them and what they have to say. They are all good people and I can understand why there guys go all in for them.Tom Ryan is a good coach and classy person.
No excuses and very honest . The video is good .
Buckeyes Start Strong Behind McCrone Pin But Fall to No. 1 Penn State, 27-13. - Ohio State
COLUMBUS, Ohio -- No. 8 Ohio State (13-3, 5-3) closed out the 2024-25 dual season with a 27-13 loss to No. 1 Penn State (13-0, 7-0) Friday at the Covelli Cen...ohiostatebuckeyes.com
I used to thunk of brands like this But these last couple of years it does seem that desperation is seeping in and the lights are going dim. With all their mistakes with there guys not getting seeding right, pointlessly burning red shirts, letting bad energy in the room. who knows maybe they can still turn it around. For the first time in a couple of years they finally caught a break (maybe) with basset.
Dude, knock it off — it took me a solid week to get that frigging song out of my head after it was playing at my grocery store last month. Then I see your earlier post, and it’s back in my head instantly. I managed an escape, but now I’m taken down again with your reattack. You’re killing me. Have a heart! 😂
That has to reflect poorly on the coaching staffs. Your guys are more skillful and outwrestled their opponents yet they were ill prepared to win. Gosh darn poor coaching then.
That should be Niiieeeiiiieeeiiiine
Come on, you know it was kind of fun to watch Matt Brown take away every ounce of hope from Evans.
Mendez was ranked higher, but I suspect most people would have called that match a push or a toss-up before it happened. I certainly did.
He stated Penn State was favored in all 10 matches with their full lineup. I was simply correcting his incorrect statement.
@west2east I think they want it to be clear that Mendez was favored over Bartlett so your statement was incorrect. I could be wrong though.
Outside PSU fandom, the overwhelming majority had Mendez as a favorite. Strangely many were ignoring that Beau should have won the title and were just looking at their matches this year (Mendez hammering most opponents and Beau winning most close) and Mendez’ freestyle season. The Vombaur match was the first sign of a crack in Mendez this year.
We will continue until he admits we are right.
#itswhatwedo
(Bartlett was not the clear favorite, by the way)
Actually we already know we are right. It is just fun to hear the point conceded.
Mendez was looking unstoppable the first half of the season. Now? That's two duals in a row where he looks quite mortal. I would love Beau to take him out at Big tens and then see Allirez take him out in the semis at Nationals.
My opinion is thats a toss up and no one is actually the favorite. So me saying all 10 wasn't correct. 9 and a toss up. Now are you guys happy 🤣😜
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Huh??? Didn't Beau lose the last three matches (B1Gs NCAAs and All-Star Tounament) between the two? Mendez definitely went in the favorite.
Yeah, before the Vombaur match, I considered Mendez in the short list of favorites for the Hodge (with Mesenbrink, Ramos, and Starocci). A week later, he’s out of the running completely.
There was a like a 6 month period when he looked like the next transcendent guy and then fell off a cliff.
Ohio State has recruited a few kids who fit the "developed early and was stronger than everyone in high school" mold
Paddy Gallagher
Nic Bouzakis
Seth Shumate
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