Ohio State dual thread - Feb 14

[El-Jefe]

You’re describing Tony Nelson.😉

Ha!

I had forgotten about him. Checked the records -- he actually put up some offense in his 2 title runs. Got a pin in each. Only one complete snoozer, but that was against Jarod Trice, who was so immobile that birds used him for target practice.

Perry made Nelson look like Snyder by comparison.

 

[El-Jefe]

I know it would be crazy boring but I think it would be totally b'dass if a guy could win w/o any takedowns. Every match 2-0 or 2-1 with an escape and riding time point.

It would be bad, and it would be ass.

 

[CSauertiegPSU]

As weird as Donnell Washington?

Really, it's about as weird as Ronnie Bresser.

Bresser a good shout! Had totally forgotten about that one haha

 

[Ja1339]

I got bored and did the seeding math. Alirez's RPI or lack thereof does not matter at all.
- If Beau wins B10s, it'll be 1 Beau, 2 Alirez, 3 Mendez.
- If Mendez wins B10s, it'll be 1 Alirez, 2 Mendez, 3 Beau.

I also checked the next highest ranked guy from other conferences, just in case. Koderhandt (Navy) finishes below all 3. Criteria-wise he's only close to Alirez -- but needs Alirez to not win B12s to pass him. If Alirez loses a dual but wins B12s, he still gets a higher seed than Koderhandt.

In a hypothetical Beau victory at B10s, who does everyone have in a Mendez v Alirez semi?

 

[creamery freak]

Anybody notice Cael forgot to take a moment to tweet Mendez is pretty darn good just not skilled enough to overcome Beau's own skills and unique toughness.

Maybe Beau should talk to Rick Sprngfield about making a new song titled ' I wish that I had Jesse’s skills!'

 

[west2east]

Wrestlestat calculates RPI even if someone has less than 15 matches. I don't know if it's 100% accurate but it's pretty close. Right now, Alirez's RPI is 11. I don't see any way his RPI is higher than Mendez or Bartlett. Let's say Mendez beats Bartlett at Big 10's so they each have 1 loss and Alirez goes 15-0 and Alirez is #1 in the coaches rankings. It will come down to how quality wins are split. Mendez would need all 20% to be seeded higher. If Bartlett wins Big 10's and remains undefeated, I see no path for Alirez to be seeded higher because quality wins will be the tiebreaker.

• Head-to-head competition: 25% of the total points
• Quality wins: 20% of the total points
• Coaches ranking: 15% of the total points
• Results against common opponents: 10% of the total points
• Ratings Percentage Index (RPI): 10% of the total points
• Qualifying event placement: 10% of the total points
• Win percentage: 10% of the total points

No chance at all for Alirez the #1 if Bartlett wins correct. The only way it could happen is if Mendez won. A undefeated Big 10 champ with 2 wins over Mendez will be the #1 all day over a Big 12 champ

 

[west2east]

I got bored and did the seeding math. Alirez's RPI or lack thereof does not matter at all.
- If Beau wins B10s, it'll be 1 Beau, 2 Alirez, 3 Mendez.
- If Mendez wins B10s, it'll be 1 Alirez, 2 Mendez, 3 Beau.

I also checked the next highest ranked guy from other conferences, just in case. Koderhandt (Navy) finishes below all 3. Criteria-wise he's only close to Alirez -- but needs Alirez to not win B12s to pass him. If Alirez loses a dual but wins B12s, he still gets a higher seed than Koderhandt.

Exactly what I had figured as well immediately after the dual last night lol

 

[west2east]

Luke looked a bit like young Spencer against Piccinini last night, although Luke was much more dominant on his feet before getting stuck.

Basch is that you 🤣🤣

 

[Psalm 1 guy]

He won 4-1 over Bryce Busler (Bloomsburg) with 1 TD, 4-3 over James English (Penn St) with 1 TD, 2-1 OT over Kendric Maple (Oklahoma) with 0 TDs, 2-1 OT over Drake Houdashelt (Missouri) with 0 TDs, and 3-1 OT over Joshua Kindig (Oklahoma St) with 1 TD. You are correct, 3 total TDs to win a National Title.

The same Tsirtsis Zain took down six times in this dual match:

 

[Pitchfork Rebel]

Pyles must have gotten into his stash of Bucknut Hopium. Resorts to Argumentum Ad Internentum discussing 133.

 

[AgSurfer]

Did anyone else watching the Mirasola match think, oh no here comes a lecture from Googles about Cole not being big enough to be a heavy?

HE NEEDS TO HIT THE WEIGHTS HARD!!!!!

 

[doubleboots]

He'd be blessed to have half the career Spencer did.

 

[billrag]

Pyles must have gotten into his stash of Bucknut Hopium. Resorts to Argumentum Ad Internentum discussing 133.

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I didn't watch the video because the title is so absurd, but if you're going to play the game that I presume he plays, you may as well also make a video entitled, "How close was PSU to blanking tOSU?". I mean really, how often does Luke Lilledahl get decked if he wrestles McCrone ten times or 100 times? Who wins 157 if Kasak wrestles? Who wins HWT if Kerk wrestles? There you have it, PSU just skunked the Bucknuts.

 

[west2east]

I didn't watch the video because the title is so absurd, but if you're going to play the game that I presume he plays, you may as well also make a video entitled, "How close was PSU to blanking tOSU?". I mean really, how often does Luke Lilledahl get decked if he wrestles McCrone ten times or 100 times? Who wins 157 if Kasak wrestles? Who wins HWT if Kerk wrestles? There you have it, PSU just skunked the Bucknuts.

It was one dual on one night and he gave his opinion that's what journalists do. He's talking about what happened not hypotheticals. Obviously if Penn st had everyone it's not even close. But with the lineup you had and what took place it was closer than it should've been. Pyles definitely isn't a Penn st hater like some say he is. If you watch and listen to everything he definitely gives Penn st credit all the time

 

[Creek Side]

No Sasso listed for Mat Town. Cannon @57, Gallagher @65, and Shumate @97 listed for the Bucknuts.

 

[Callthestall]

Sealeys handfight is actually quite good. He’s beaten plenty of good D1 kids and held his own against some great ones. He will be fine. I think he is behind because he was injured early in the season and doesn’t have much time on the mats. He is deficient on bottom but going with Levi, Kasak, SVN, MM, etc he will get better quickly. Not a good debut at all but he will bounce back. Kid is a stud and loves wrestling by all accounts

I"ve been told he chose neutral a lot at Wyoming when he had choice. He's had issues with bottom against same age guys for a few years . Certain guys just have trouble from down.An example in recent years was Rasheed struggled with bottom. He's real good on his feet and top. As I noted before, a Wyoming Seminary fan had concerns about Sealy coming out. We will see .

 

[El-Jefe]

It was one dual on one night and he gave his opinion that's what journalists do. He's talking about what happened not hypotheticals. Obviously if Penn st had everyone it's not even close. But with the lineup you had and what took place it was closer than it should've been. Pyles definitely isn't a Penn st hater like some say he is. If you watch and listen to everything he definitely gives Penn st credit all the time

Nobody called Pyles a Penn State hater, at least not this time.

He gave an opinion designed to draw clicks. Which is his modus operandi.

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[Callthestall]

No Sasso listed for Mat Town. Cannon @57, Gallagher @65, and Shumate @97 listed for the Bucknuts.

I watched Ryan press conference after the match and he said both Cannon and Sasso would be going to Mat Town this week. ??????
He said they might send a few guys to F&M tournament next week .

 

[billrag]

Nobody called Pyles a Penn State hater, at least not this time.

He gave an opinion designed to draw clicks. Which is his modus operandi.

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Interesting. I saw the video on another thread and presumed he'd be trying to make the claim that it could have gone the other way with a tiny bit of luck or one or two slightly different individual outcomes. Good to know that he's being realistic and honest.

 

[Agoodnap]

It was one dual on one night and he gave his opinion that's what journalists do. He's talking about what happened not hypotheticals. Obviously if Penn st had everyone it's not even close. But with the lineup you had and what took place it was closer than it should've been. Pyles definitely isn't a Penn st hater like some say he is. If you watch and listen to everything he definitely gives Penn st credit all the time

No exactly. CP more than insinuates that if the back points had not been taken away, Davis would have lost the match. This is simply making stuff up, as there was still a lot of time left.

 

[billrag]

No exactly. CP more than insinuate that if the back points had not been taken away, Davis would have lost the match. This is simply making stuff up, as there was still a lot of time left.

Not to mention that I think you could easily make the argument that the reversal never should have been called (or that if it WAS called, that they should have given Davis a subsequent reversal (although I know that's not how the reviews work)).

 

[tullfan68]

it really makes me laugh when anyone thought the bucks had any chance to win even with 2 starters out and a pin at 125 the bucks never had any chance! WE ARE!!

 

[donboy6499]

It was one dual on one night and he gave his opinion that's what journalists do. He's talking about what happened not hypotheticals. Obviously if Penn st had everyone it's not even close. But with the lineup you had and what took place it was closer than it should've been. Pyles definitely isn't a Penn st hater like some say he is. If you watch and listen to everything he definitely gives Penn st credit all the time

How close should it have been, knowing no Kerk, no Kasak, and Davis coming back from injury?

 

[donboy6499]

No exactly. CP more than insinuates that if the back points had not been taken away, Davis would have lost the match. This is simply making stuff up, as there was still a lot of time left.

Reverse the decision, CP, and it’s 24-16.

Still not all that close unless you’re holding the team to a shut out standard.

 

[tullfan68]

LOL hey west it sill wasn't close!

 

[west2east]

How close should it have been, knowing no Kerk, no Kasak, and Davis coming back from injury?

They were favored to win 2 matches 157 and HWT.

 

[west2east]

LOL hey west it sill wasn't close!

And I never said it was close tull

 

[tullfan68]

sorry you said closer my bad!

 

[west2east]

sorry you said closer my bad!

And I said if you had everyone it's not close.
It was "closer" because Luke got pinned and he was favored. Going in Ohio at was favored at 157 and Hwt. So it was closer than it should've been due to Luke getting pinned . With your full line up you were favored in all 10.

 

[GogglesPaizano]

Did anyone else watching the Mirasola match think, oh no here comes a lecture from Googles about Cole not being big enough to be a heavy?

I try to lecture in pairs. Cole isn't big enough for heavy and Barr stays up at 197 and beats Conner for the spot. ;-)

Detractors aside it will be an interesting lead up to next year with a fair amount of conjecture. Which lineup is better?

Barr at 197, Ryder at 184, and Conner ??? or

Conner at 197, Barr at 184, and Ryder ???

Not matter the outcome the ???s Will be painful for fans and the kids, and deep pockets elsewhere will be watching. I am still not a big fan of NIL the way it's playing it today coupled with the Portal that I like even less.

Fortunately for us Cael is the very best at recruiting, development and also best at keeping the kids happy despite the competition within, the distractions, and the temptations.

 

[PSUNAV]

And I said if you had everyone it's not close.
It was "closer" because Luke got pinned and he was favored. Going in Ohio at was favored at 157 and Hwt. So it was closer than it should've been due to Luke getting pinned . With your full line up you were favored in all 10.

Pretty sure they were favored at 141 as well.

 

[tullfan68]

And I said if you had everyone it's not close.
It was "closer" because Luke got pinned and he was favored. Going in Ohio at was favored at 157 and Hwt. So it was closer than it should've been due to Luke getting pinned . With your full line up you were favored in all 10.

I get it but 14 point win is not close or closer,I would call maybe 4 points or less is close!Being a PSU fan we expect blow out every time and it just doesn't happen sometimes!

 

[tullfan68]

I try to lecture in pairs. Cole isn't big enough for heavy and Barr stays up at 197 and beats Conner for the spot. ;-)

Detractors aside it will be an interesting lead up to next year with a fair amount of conjecture. Which lineup is better?

Barr at 197, Ryder at 184, and Conner ??? or

Conner at 197, Barr at 184, and Ryder ???

Not matter the outcome the ???s Will be painful for fans and the kids, and deep pockets elsewhere will be watching. I am still not a big fan of NIL the way it's playing it today coupled with the Portal that I like even less.

Fortunately for us Cael is the very best at recruiting, development and also best at keeping the kids happy despite the competition within, the distractions, and the temptations.

Cole will be fine he has a whole yr to get better and he wasn't bad!

 

[donboy6499]

They were favored to win 2 matches 157 and HWT.

141.

 

[GogglesPaizano]

Let's just say this, being honest.

When Davis was on his back and in my mind I was witnessing the prospect of starting the meet down 0-12 with #1 Mendez on deck, coupled with Sealy and Marisola going as pretty much complete unknown question marks?

I had to run and change my underwear.

 

[BruceK-PSU83]

I didn't watch the video because the title is so absurd, but if you're going to play the game that I presume he plays, you may as well also make a video entitled, "How close was PSU to blanking tOSU?". I mean really, how often does Luke Lilledahl get decked if he wrestles McCrone ten times or 100 times? Who wins 157 if Kasak wrestles? Who wins HWT if Kerk wrestles? There you have it, PSU just skunked the Bucknuts.

I listened to Pyles drone on for about 3 minutes. Then I saw there was still another 8 minutes of video remaining, which induced a prompt abort.

 

[slushhead]

The 2025 season for all practical purposes has been a forgone conclusion before it even began. Any chink in the armor whatsoever is going to generate some drama . . . fans of other teams are going to be looking for anything they can enjoy, and hearing about the greatness of PSU non-stop, all season long is not enjoyable (to them).

As far as how close the dual “should have been” goes, well, anytime the script gets flipped on a MD or TF going as an upset fall the other way, the final score is going to be closer than it should have been. That’s a 10-11 point swing via a single match.

Davis is hurt and has been missing time. Not sure his match should have been anything but close.

Levi had a close one, but no one should have expected differently. Kharchla is beastly, but the key to beating him, as shown historically, is to win on technique late when he finally begins to tire. Sure, I’m not thrilled that Levi gave up his legs so much, but it was certainly reassuring to see that he could consistently work his way out of trouble against a guy with that kind of strength who seemed to be in superior position to score.

SVN had a closer one than expected. BFD. D’Emilio wrestled a really good match, kudos to him. SVN didn’t panic, took care of business late.

So we ended up with a 27-13 final score on a single upset for big points. There is no discussion or drama on this if LL doesn’t get caught and the final score ends up 31-7 with PSU’s only losses coming from 2 back-ups. Rather, the discussion would have been about Bartlett and how formidable PSU is even with 2 backups and an injured guy in the lineup.

 

[BOSCO2]

I haven't seen this brought up, but does anyone else think the ref slapped the mat pretty quickly on Luke's pin. He probably would've given up a pin eventually, but his shoulders touch the mat as he rolled through. They were not down for a "count" as I believe to be the rule. Am I wrong on this? I'm not a former wrestler and not a ref or coach, just an observer.

 

[CSauertiegPSU]

I haven't seen this brought up, but does anyone else think the ref slapped the mat pretty quickly on Luke's pin. He probably would've given up a pin eventually, but his shoulders touch the mat as he rolled through. They were not down for a "count" as I believe to be the rule. Am I wrong on this? I'm not a former wrestler and not a ref or coach, just an observer.

Seemed like a quick call, yes.

 

[nikko57]

I haven't seen this brought up, but does anyone else think the ref slapped the mat pretty quickly on Luke's pin. He probably would've given up a pin eventually, but his shoulders touch the mat as he rolled through. They were not down for a "count" as I believe to be the rule. Am I wrong on this? I'm not a former wrestler and not a ref or coach, just an observer.

I thought the same thing. Supposed to be 1 second. Seems a lot of falls are called fairly quick in college. Ed Scott got a fall called on him at Nationals during a roll through.