Ohio State opens as 14-point favorite
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The $ came from at least the early 2000s up to just before NIL. O$U was paying players and there are many examples where it slipped to public awareness- freshman Mo Clarett and his upscale apartment and SUV, AJ Hawk's apartment theft of $10k in cash and video games, Tyrelle Pryor and his summer job in HS and corvette from an O$U backer, $500 handshakes forget who all had gotten caught, signed memorabilia sales before NIL, girlfriends flown to the Rose bowl and luxury hotels, tatoogate, car dealership loaners, the last several head coaches leaving after scandals, etc.
And those are just what became public knowledge because they got caught. I doubt it was 10% of what was actually going on there.
What does PSU have in that era? Curtis Enis sitting the bowl game because of a loan for a couple hundred dollar suit at the Heisman? Cannot think of anything else involving impermissible benefits that surfaced. No, O$U earned the $ in their name. Even the Quinn Ewers NIL deal changing terms was sketchy until they were threatened by ncaa penalties to pay the kid as promised.
The Buckeyes have played 1 road game in two months! That’s criminal. They have played nobody. This will be their stiffest test to date, on the road, vs. a team with an outstanding secondary, and a team looking for respect after what happened in AA. It will be close.
That is absolutely crazy they have only had one road game up to this point. Let’s go state!
It's a damn good thing nothing bad has ever happened at PSU, that kind of middle school shit might come back at us.
For a supposed fan, you sure enter every thread with the utmost of negativity.
We loved seeing us throw over the middle of the field. Reminded me of our offense with BOB. We gotta use the TEs like crazy.
This will be a 1 score game into the 4th and could go either way. Someone mentioned our best receiver not playing. Not true. Marvin Harrison Jr is playing
PSU's LB play was non-existent against Michigan which resulted in the huge Michigan rushing totals.
Michigan is a very good team on the ground but they gained somewhere around 160 to 170 yards on both Indiana and Iowa. A team with a decent DL and LBs can definitely give them fits. Iowa gave Michigan a decent game but just doesn't have the offense to keep up with the upper level teams - their defense is top 5 nationally
We havent shocked the world since 2016 vs. OSU. It's time.
Is it also true that we played a good bit of 4-2-5 against Michigan than the 4-3-4 we normally do a lot of which we did against Minnesota?
I can see where some could view it that way. Please consider using the ignore feature if my posts cause you any issues, you are certainly justified in doing so. Or, if I say something that is false you are welcome to point that out as well and I will admit my error and apologize.
The UM game was difficult to predict because there was a lack of real data to use as a guideline. This one is a bit different, as both UM and OSU have played Iowa.
You say Iowa is top 5 in defense. I would agree that their defense is very strong. If you compare the relative performance of UM and OSU against this strong defense you can see that OSU scored double the points that UM did, 54 vs 27. While I wouldn't take that to mean they are twice as good, it is a data point common to the two teams and a potential indicator of their relative performance.
Our offense scored 10 points against UM. Our defense could not get a stop the entire game. I would be interested in hearing how those issues have been addressed. A win against a crippled MN team does not automatically make those go away.
Unless the weather affects the game, there's no way that Michigan will be able to match points with OSU. That game will be similar to what OSU did to Wisconsin, although the margin of victory will be a little closer. Once Michigan's run game is taken out of that game, Michigan's passing game will be exposed.
I'm not the least bit concerned about the outcome of "the game" other than how it affects PSU's final disposition. My questions are about how they performed against a common opponent and why it should be ignored as a potential indicator for our game. Specifically why is our defense going to be better at getting stops against the bucks when compared to the performance in AA.
Well, the thing about OSU is that their offense both can run and pass very well, and they even are using their tight end more than they have in recent seasons. If they were a 3/4 passing offense, that might be able to play into PSU's defensive strength. However, they're not, and probably will be able to score at least into the 30s, if not more. I also question whether PSU's offense has the ability to slow the game down by possessing the ball through a running game, which is an absolute necessity for this game to be competitive into the third quarter.
In addition to the points made by bcspsu, it should be stressed that we were overrun at the point of attack in Ann Arbor. That's classic Michigan: the power game. Since 2016, we've been blown out three times by the Wolverines, each time at their place, and the story has been the same. Our D simply didn't have the muscle to shut down Michigan's running game behind the talented backs and big OL.
With Ohio State, it's a different story. They're high-powered but diverse....great wide receivers...mobile QB. We just match up better with that type of offense. Again, since 2016, we've been competitive in every game with the Buckeyes. And also, this Saturday is a home game, which is no small thing in the equation.
Iowa is '03-'04 PSU. Strong defense, but the offense is so putrid that it's impossible to overcome.
Even though they scored 54 points, the Buckeyes only ran for 66 yards. I had to look it up, lost in the hoopla of the headlines. Iowa came out throwing and dug a hole WAY too deep. 6 turnovers kills. Still, the Buckeyes couldn't run. 21 rushes, 57 yards by Henderson and Williams.
Score is misleading.
Minnesota wasn't that great to begin with. Their win over Sparty looked better than it was and misled many here into thinking they were formidable. Still, we put it to them once we started throwing to the TEs.
What does this all mean vs the Buckeyes? Probably zero. What game plan do we use? We went into Michigan trying to keep things close and lined up terrible quite a bit. The staff made adjustments from that game vs Minnesota and they worked. Can they do the same vs the Buckeyes? Probably somewhat. History says we play them close and outside of turnovers and special teams plays, they win by 4-10 points.
I agree that the game will be somewhat close. Not sure it can be one score close in the 4th quarter though. That is a tall task. If you look at our recent games in Columbus in '19 and '21 we kept it interesting. If we do the same thing and are lingering around, since the game is at home maybe that gives us a boost of energy particularly on D. I felt the D just ran out of gas in those games and O$U gets the dagger TD or play to put us away. Perhaps the narrative is different this time.
All facets of our game have to show up in a big way. They are so good all around that whatever is our weak link will get exposed. So if the D line or LBs are not playing great then we will get gashed in the run game and play action crushes us. O-Line not moving anyone out, then we are one dimensional and Clifford does not play well. Just need a great game by everyone for a shot.
All facets of our game have to show up in a big way. They are so good all around that whatever is our weak link will get exposed. So if the D line or LBs are not playing great then we will get gashed in the run game and play action crushes us. O-Line not moving anyone out, then we are one dimensional and Clifford does not play well. Just need a great game by everyone for a shot.
Home field will help, but if Day chooses to run right at us, you will see a similar result. These games are Still won or lost in the trenches and we are not there yet. Better, but not at their level.
If close at half, the conference will remind Day that they can hold with impunity.
They have a very physical back if he’s healthy, and their OLine is not too far off from Michigan.
21 rushes.
57 yards.
Henderson and Williams combined stats vs Iowa.
That's not comparable to Michigan's OL.
Perhaps, but they are not playing Iowa’s front seven. Hope I’m wrong. Bottom line, we will need to possess the ball and score points to stay in the game. Not sure their defense is much different than Michigan.
Some strange stats from the Iowa -- Ohio State game
Ohio State 54-10 Iowa (Oct 22, 2022) Box Score - ESPN
Box score for the Ohio State Buckeyes vs. Iowa Hawkeyes NCAAF game from October 22, 2022 on ESPN. Includes all passing, rushing and receiving stats.
- The score was way lopsided at 54-10
- Ohio State had 16 1st downs and 360 total yards
- Ohio State had 4 FG, which seems like a high number for a blowout
- Ohio State team rushing -- 30 carries for 66 yds
- Iowa with just horrible offensive numbers -- 158 total yards, 6 turnovers, and 1-13 on 3rd down
A big factor in those recent close losses that we couldn't run the ball to bleed the clock down and give the D a breather. We had late leads in several of those games and watched them slip away.
I will also say that one of the games we had no business winning was the one we did in 2016. A blocked FG for a TD for the win is a pretty flukey play. But that kind of luck might be what it takes on Saturday.
Actually long before the things you referenced. Maurice Clarrett tatted duhO$U out and they threw him under the bus for doing it.
It's a legit comparison point. I'm not saying "Iowa shut the Buckeye running game down, therefore Penn State will as well." I'm saying that the Buckeyes OL and running game is weaker than Michigan's.
We will play better than what we showed vs scUM. Plus s raucous crowd in our favor is a big intangible. Finally, we match up a little bit better than we did vs scUM. They like big, explosive plays with their WRs which plays to our strength in the secondary. They are not a 1970's style offense that will pound you but they have the ability to do so. The game will be relatively close. Operative word is "relatively" because at the end of the day O$U oozes talent every where you look and unfortunately they will have a little more than we can handle.
Kinda setting up like '16 again.... Man would that be a glorious win to knock these guys off!
If our defense plays like it did versus Michigan, if our OL gets dominated like it did versus Michigan, and if our wide receivers can't get open again, any QB we play (Clifford, Tom Brady, etc.) isn't having a good day and we get destroyed.
go to 26:00 in the video, Kimball missed a 60 yarder as the clock expired. The lions lost 21-20. This also was the Hartsock game btw, go to 22:12.
Yup, wouldn't be surprised if it ends up settling in at 17.
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