As a betting proposition, I like Penn State getting that many points at home. But so far the gambling public doesn't seem to agree.
Ohio State opens as 14-point favorite
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As a betting proposition, I like Penn State getting that many points at home. But so far the gambling public doesn't seem to agree.
My whole point is every week is a new week. And if a bad PSU team can take a highly ranked OSU to the wire and should have beaten them but for a bad call or two, this year's team can win.
The last time OSU beat PSU by that many points at PSU was 2009.
This has been a pretty even rivalry (score wise) especially at home.
I think OSU is very good. It is hard to determine how the stack up compared to OSU teams from other years. My sense in limited watching is that their WR group is very good, but their RBs are not as dominant as the past and their defense is very good, but they don't have a singular game wrecker (Bosa, Young) like they did in the past.
Well, then bookies will want us to win so the B2G referines will actually calling holding against the Suckeyes O line!
14 doesn't surprise me. We have a history of playing games against Ohio State that look tighter than they are. Gun to my head, I am taking OSU to cover and then some.
I'd say their WR group is outstanding. Marvin Harrison, Jr. playing @ a very high level making circus catches and with his size fully understands how to position himself. If he goes off, PSU is in big trouble. In regard to their RB group, Williams is a bigger concern to me. He is a load to bring down. Forget arm tackling him. Stroud is a pro style passer (able to make all throws), though not a runner, has quick feet and moves well in the pocket.
On their defensive side, Hall, one of their DTs has been stellar and they have been moving DE Zach Harrison inside @ times which has increased his effectiveness. Sawyer, the other DE is really good. Eichenberg (sp?) seems to be their most active LBer. Safety transfer from Okie State has played really well for them.
Then we lose by a FG and it is all Franklin's fault because we lost the coin toss.
Well I don't need a gun to my head to take Penn State plus 16 points.
But I'm still hoping against hope to win the game outright...and it could happen.
This is why I wouldn't touch this game with a ten foot pole. I've seen enough PSU-OSU games over the last 5 or 6 years to know this one is always tighter than many think it will be. Plius, it's a home game for PSU and that's huge
The other main thing I'm seeing in this thread is people trying to compare how two teams did against a similar opponent. Some teams have different matchup strengths and issues against a similar opponent than others have.
Plus, there's no way in he!! you going to convince me that Michigan is that much better than PSU. Just think the game-situation got away from PSU and eventually just spiraled out of control. It happens sometimes
He is right though--people here complain about the Sandusky jokes but say O$U and scUM
Both O$U and scUM have significantly worse sexual assault scandals than our loosely tied former employee who used an unaffiliated charity to which we had reported a potential issue to gain access to victims. Both O$U and scUM had current employees both abusing and actively covering up abuses of many, many more victims.
Oh they 100% did--complete agree...doesn't alter the fact if we stoop to childish nicknames why wouldn't they
They must love being referred to as PedoU because they bend over backward to attract that type of response. Then cry and whine when it comes back in spades.
If we punt on 4th down or miss a long FG, scUM still scores on next possession. For whatever reason we just sucked that day with our rush D. We were hanging on by a thread then finally collapsed. I don't believe scUM is 24 points better than us but they are better and a terrible matchup.
I just don't get how anyone saying scUM can complain about that...
It's hypocritical.
It all was obviously awful, but you might want to consider the ages of the victims. "Loosely tied"? wasn't Sandusky your DC under Paterno?
The defense is better. Not a lot better, but better. The offense is AS good.
OSU's defense is significantly better than last year. Weak spot is the CB's.
I would say 2 things.
1. Injuries
2. OSU doesn't seem to recruit CB's at the same level they do other positions like D line and WR. This really showed when they played Alabama a couple of years ago for the NC. OSU got smoked, mostly through the air.
They won't want to grind it out and won't get 70 yard TD runs like scUM did. They will pick their opportunities to hit the big play. We have to make them work for their points to shorten the game.
Let's say they get 10 possessions in the game. If we can hold them to 2 touchdowns and 3 field goals off those possessions we have a shot. If we can get at least 3 TDs we have a shot if the D comes to play. That means 50% or roughly 5 of their possessions need to be:
-Turnover
-Turnover on downs
-Punr
Let's say they get 10 possessions in the game. If we can hold them to 2 touchdowns and 3 field goals off those possessions we have a shot. If we can get at least 3 TDs we have a shot if the D comes to play. That means 50% or roughly 5 of their possessions need to be:
-Turnover
-Turnover on downs
-Punr
The only thing PSU has going for it is the home crowd which can be disruptive to a passing team but O$U is the best team in the country. PSU has always played the Bucks tougher than any of their other opponents. But there is nothing that favors PSU but the home crowd. Can’t see PSU scoring more than 17 points. Hope I’m wrong.
That would require several gifts from the football gods. They gifted us several opportunities in AA which we squandered, so I don't see them smiling down upon us this weekend.
I think we need to score a lot (maybe get a pick six or a special teams score) and win a game like 31-28. I don't think we can hold them under 20 but hopefully I'm wrong
you might want to consider the number of victims. The sheer numbers at OSU, MSU and UM dwarf any allegations at PSU.
But the alleged victims had no connection to PSU. The victims at OSU, MSU and UM were (for the most part) student athletes and the abuser was doing this during the course of their employment (i.e. literally while on the clock). Yet somehow those three scandals got way less attention to PSU did.
I did not follow the whole Sandusky thing very closely. Wasn't he abusing young boys (under 16) in the showers at PSU while he was employed as a coach? It was during youth football camps or something. Maybe I do not recall it correctly.
That’s right - you do not recall it correctly.
Then set me straight. Is Sandusky still in prison? If so, I would assume there is a reason for it.
The reason is a rush to judgment, OAG corruptions and a jury pool polluted by a false media narrative.
Yes, he is still in prison. There is a huge amount of information out there and you easily find it by doing a search. If you are truly interested I would suggest you do a bit of reading about it and draw your own conclusions. Nobody here really knows for sure what the hell happened.
You will not find the answer in this thread though, it is about football. Discussions about the scandal tend to degrade rapidly and get moved to the test board.
Good luck.
You'll never get a clear picture on a partisan sight. Sandusky was as guilty. This is a time when the public narrative is about as close to the truth as possible.
You said he was prosecuted for alleged assaults that occurred while he was Coach on PSU's Staff - that is false and complete bullshit (especially your insinuation that his access to the facilities was a result of his position on the Staff). Again, pure bullshit - JS retired in 1999 after Paterno told him to either disassociate himself from the daily activities of his children's charity, The Second Mile, and focus solely on coaching OR retire and focus his energy on the Charity..... but it couldn't be both. Sandusky chose the later. The University, not Paterno, then gave Sandusky "Emeritus Professor" status as part of his retirement package, which he didn't qualify for on merit - the "Emeritus Status" gave Sandusky lifetime office space which he asked to be placed in the football athletic facilities - Paterno protested vehemently against this and lobbied hard against it, but the University which did a lot of work with the Charity via the Health & Human Services College ignored Paterno's warnings (he thought letting Sandusky use the facilities for his Charity was a huge risk and potential liability for the University if anyone ever got hurt, etc....) - they gave Sandusky a lifetime Office and said he could use the facilities with his Charity assuming there weren't conflicts with University athletic needs.
All of the alleged victims were accessed via the Children's Charity Sandusky founded where the children were participants. The victims had nothing to do with the PSU Football program and everything to do with Sandusky's Charity and the PSU Board stupidly granting Sandusky Emeritus Status and the right to use University facilities for his charity - a decision that Paterno vehemently lobbied against (btw, around the same time frame, the Board voted to sell a large parcel of land at "cost basis" [i.e., a fraction of its true market value], so Sandusky could build a "Campus Facility" for his charity).
But you are way off base, and completely full of shit that the victims had anything to do with PSU Football or that Sandusky was a coach at the time of the athletic facility incidents.
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