OOC - Scheduling. The mistake of scheduling Pitt has cost us

[mikemauti42]

With the recent narrative that our resume is not good enough, it was obviously a mistake scheduling Pitt OOC. They simply are not a team that will ever help being included on the schedule. They aren't good enough and rarely ever finish in the Top 25.

Since Penn State plays in the B1G East which is thought of as one of the toughest divisions in college football yearly and since the B1G plays 9 in conference games, the total of 9 big 10 teams and Pitt is not good enough. That's 10 power 5 teams, but Pitt is on the fringe of power 5. Luckily, we have recently scheduled Auburn, VT, and WVU. These are teams that are relevant in the landscape of college football.

The irony is Pitt fans who say our schedule isn't tough enough do not realize they are the reason whY.

Time to let Pitt fade into oblivion

 

[BobPSU92]

But we prop them up. Don't you feel any sense of charity?

 

[not so fast my friend]

With the recent narrative that our resume is not good enough, it was obviously a mistake scheduling Pitt OOC. They simply are not a team that will ever help being included on the schedule. They aren't good enough and rarely ever finish in the Top 25.

Since Penn State plays in the B1G East which is thought of as one of the toughest divisions in college football yearly and since the B1G plays 9 in conference games, the total of 9 big 10 teams and Pitt is not good enough. That's 10 power 5 teams, but Pitt is on the fringe of power 5. Luckily, we have recently scheduled Auburn, VT, and WVU. These are teams that are relevant in the landscape of college football.

The irony is Pitt fans who say our schedule isn't tough enough do not realize they are the reason whY.

Time to let Pitt fade into oblivion

How did they beat us and Clemson last year.....wow!

 

[mikemauti42]

How did they beat us and Clemson last year.....wow!

Did you ever hear the story about the blind squirrel and the acorn? Last year was probably Pitt's ceiling. Beating them does not move the needle. It's the equivalent of an ACC team scheduling Indiana or Minnesota OOC or a Big 10 team scheduling Duke or Wake Forest.

 

[michnittlion]

If (1) we aspire to be amongst the college football elite, and (2) we still want to schedule 7 home games a year ....

then it's a no-brainer. We need our OOC home-and-home to be against someone who is consistently better than Pittsburgh is. Games against them don't provide enough "reward" in an environment when the committee will be emphasizing quality wins.

 

[LionDeNittany]

With the recent narrative that our resume is not good enough, it was obviously a mistake scheduling Pitt OOC. They simply are not a team that will ever help being included on the schedule. They aren't good enough and rarely ever finish in the Top 25.

Since Penn State plays in the B1G East which is thought of as one of the toughest divisions in college football yearly and since the B1G plays 9 in conference games, the total of 9 big 10 teams and Pitt is not good enough. That's 10 power 5 teams, but Pitt is on the fringe of power 5. Luckily, we have recently scheduled Auburn, VT, and WVU. These are teams that are relevant in the landscape of college football.

The irony is Pitt fans who say our schedule isn't tough enough do not realize they are the reason whY.

Time to let Pitt fade into oblivion

If not for Pitt I'm not sure half of this board would have anything to talk about.

LdN

 

[mikemauti42]

Pitt football has finished in the Top 25 4 times in the past 33 years. I can't believe how pathetic that is. Basically, you will rarely ever have a top 25 win if you schedule Pitt

 

[LineMountain]

We’re #7 because we lost a game four days ago. If we had won we’d be #2 right now. It has nothing to do with our schedule.

 

[mikemauti42]

We’re #7 because we lost a game four days ago. If we had won we’d be #2 right now. It has nothing to do with our schedule.

And why is Clemson #4? They lost to Syracuse. You know why? Because they beat Auburn OOC who is ranked. Why is Oklahoma #5? They lost to Iowa State. You know why? They beat Ohio State OOC. We play continually unranked Pitt who will probably never be ranked while we play them

 

[LineMountain]

Oklahoma beat OSU who beat PSU

5 Oklahoma
6 OSU
7 PSU

See the pattern...?

 

[PSUSignore]

We’re #7 because we lost a game four days ago. If we had won we’d be #2 right now. It has nothing to do with our schedule.

It very well might at the end of the season. A strong schedule provides more margin for error when a game is lost. A weak schedule means perfection might be the only path to the playoff.

 

[mikemauti42]

Yes. The pattern is if you play Pitt OOC then you will never have a ranked win OOC, so you must go undefeated or else finish on the outside looking in. Pitt is like having Walmart greeter on your resume

 

[PennStateNate]

Its not playing Pitt.. It's playing Pitt, Akron, and Georgia State combined.

 

[mikemauti42]

Its not playing Pitt.. It's playing Pitt, Akron, and Georgia State combined.

Again, almost every P5 team plays 10 P5 teams

The B1G plays 9 conference games + 1 P5 OOC (10 P5)

Other conferences play 8 conferences games + 2 OOC games. (10 P5)

Not sure why it's so hard for people to understand

So, you think Penn State should play 11 P5 teams and every one else 10?

 

[Safety Blitz]

Pitt football has finished in the Top 25 4 times in the past 33 years. I can't believe how pathetic that is. Basically, you will rarely ever have a top 25 win if you schedule Pitt

True....But Pitt did win 17 national championships in that span. That's not too bad.

 

[indynittany]

Pitt being down this year is the luck of the draw. Some years, Iowa State looks like a cupcake on Iowa's schedule. This year, Iowa State beat OU. Last year, Pitt beat Clemson and PSU.

We just have to play each game and see what happens. There's at least 3 losses in the bunch ahead of us. It sucks we no longer control our own destiny. It especially sucks for me that we won't be defending our B1G championship. But we're still in this thing.

 

[mikemauti42]

Pitt being down this year is the luck of the draw. Some years, Iowa State looks like a cupcake on Iowa's schedule. This year, Iowa State beat OU. Last year, Pitt beat Clemson and PSU.

We just have to play each game and see what happens. There's at least 3 losses in the bunch ahead of us. It sucks we no longer control our own destiny. It especially sucks for me that we won't be defending our B1G championship. But we're still in this thing.

It will be the luck of the draw 90% of the time, because 90% of the time Pitt is not in the top 25. The committee looks for top 25 wins

 

[not so fast my friend]

It will be the luck of the draw 90% of the time, because 90% of the time Pitt is not in the top 25. The committee looks for top 25 wins

We also played Akron and Georgia State. Perhaps one of those games could be replaced with a "quality" opponent. Why are we only picking on the Pitt game? I like beating their A$$ and perhaps helps recruiting that area.

 

[mikemauti42]

We also played Akron and Georgia State. Perhaps one of those games could be replaced with a "quality" opponent. Why are we only picking on the Pitt game? I like beating their A$$ and perhaps helps recruiting that area.

Perhaps your pitt education hasn't helped you with reading comprehension.

Pitt played Rice and Youngstown St this year
And 10 P5 teams

Penn State played Georgia St and Akron
And 10 P5 teams

Clemson plays the Citadel and Kent St and 10 P5 teams

The quality opponent needed to be replaced is Pitt. No team plays 11 power 5 teams. Pitt is like playing Wake Forest or Kentucky

 

[JJTopp99]

Its not playing Pitt.. It's playing Pitt, Akron, and Georgia State combined.

... but, the other two are better.

 

[not so fast my friend]

Perhaps your pitt education hasn't helped you with reading comprehension.

Pitt played Rice and Youngstown St this year
And 10 P5 teams

Penn State played Georgia St and Akron
And 10 P5 teams

Clemson plays the Citadel and Kent St and 10 P5 teams

The quality opponent needed to be replaced is Pitt. No team plays 11 power 5 teams. Pitt is like playing Wake Forest or Kentucky

I'd agree if we didn't count Rutgers as one of the 10

 

[LaJolla Lion]

If not for Pitt I'm not sure half of this board would have anything to talk about.

LdN

Same people obsess on them and watch their site daily like people here are waiting for that update.

 

[CDLionFL]

And in 3-4 years, Auburn and Va Tech could be in the crapper and we’ll be whining about why we scheduled them.

*shrug*

 

[Lyons212]

Pitt being down this year is the luck of the draw. Some years, Iowa State looks like a cupcake on Iowa's schedule. This year, Iowa State beat OU. Last year, Pitt beat Clemson and PSU.

We just have to play each game and see what happens. There's at least 3 losses in the bunch ahead of us. It sucks we no longer control our own destiny. It especially sucks for me that we won't be defending our B1G championship. But we're still in this thing.

Right now Alabama is #2 because they do not have a quality win. Of course they beat Florida State the first game of the year. Problem is that usual top 10 team stinks this year.

 

[ThePennsyOracle]

The Pitt hardon continues.

If they're irrelevant and pathetic there's no reason to read what they say or see/care about what they do. Instead a few of you have every bit as big of a hardon for Pitt as they evidently have for Penn State.

 

[LemonEars]

Its not playing Pitt.. It's playing Pitt, Akron, and Georgia State combined.

We have to play Akron and Georgia State type teams to have 7 home games. We need 7 home games to fund our athletic programs.

 

[mikemauti42]

The Pitt hardon continues.

If they're irrelevant and pathetic there's no reason to read what they say or see/care about what they do. Instead a few of you have every bit as big of a hardon for Pitt as they evidently have for Penn State.

You play better defense for Pitt than Narduzzi's guys.

The fact is this is pretty relevant right now. Pitt is on our schedule and our resume is a big reason we may get left out of CFB

 

[mikemauti42]

And in 3-4 years, Auburn and Va Tech could be in the crapper and we’ll be whining about why we scheduled them.

*shrug*

Virginia Tech and Auburn are top 25 teams more often than not

 

[heckmans]

If (1) we aspire to be amongst the college football elite, and (2) we still want to schedule 7 home games a year ....

then it's a no-brainer. We need our OOC home-and-home to be against someone who is consistently better than Pittsburgh is. Games against them don't provide enough "reward" in an environment when the committee will be emphasizing quality wins.

There is absolutely no justification for a home and home against Pitt. I hope they are never on the schedule again after this series, but much as they did back in the day to us when they were more relevant, the only way Pitt makes sense on our schedule is as a 2-1 home and away or as a money game like Akron.

 

[pandaczar12]

If not for Pitt I'm not sure half of this board would have anything to talk about.

LdN

If it wasn't for whining about people making fun of Pitt, the other half would have nothing to talk about.

 

[ThePennsyOracle]

If it wasn't for whining about people making fun of Pitt, the other half would have nothing to talk about.

Not correct.

It's either caring about Pitt or Sandusky. You're in both clubs, and it's tough to tell which is more pathetic.

 

[BobPSU92]

And in 3-4 years, Auburn and Va Tech could be in the crapper and we’ll be whining about why we scheduled them.

*shrug*

The difference is that everyone knew pitt would be in the crapper the day they were scheduled. auburn and vo tech are expected to be at least better than average.

 

[bkmtnittany1]

How many more years is Pitt on the schedule?

 

[LaJolla Lion]

How many more years is Pitt on the schedule?

2

 

[VaNtyLion]

Its not playing Pitt.. It's playing Pitt, Akron, and Georgia State combined.

Just about every team in the country has two group of 5 cupcakes on their schedule...or worse. Scheduling Akron and GSU is not the problem.

Bama plays Mercer and Fresno State
Georgia plays App State and Samford
Notre Dame plays Temple and Miami, OH
Oklahoma plays UTEP and Tulane
Clemson plays Kent and Citadel
OSU plays Army and UNLV


Problem with playing Pitt is that even if they were decent it's not going to be seen in the same light as what these other schools above have done in scheduling FSU (even when they turn out to be junk), ND, Georgia, OSU, Auburn and Oklahoma respectively.

There really is no upside for PSU to play Pitt. Auburn, VT and even WVU all carry more cache on a national stage than Pitt does. It will be a major upgrade when Pitt falls off the schedule. We don't need it for recruiting; don't need it for attendance... and given the stage their program is in, it's not going to do one thing for strength of schedule. They're a net negative.

 

[bdgan]

With the recent narrative that our resume is not good enough, it was obviously a mistake scheduling Pitt OOC. They simply are not a team that will ever help being included on the schedule. They aren't good enough and rarely ever finish in the Top 25.

Since Penn State plays in the B1G East which is thought of as one of the toughest divisions in college football yearly and since the B1G plays 9 in conference games, the total of 9 big 10 teams and Pitt is not good enough. That's 10 power 5 teams, but Pitt is on the fringe of power 5. Luckily, we have recently scheduled Auburn, VT, and WVU. These are teams that are relevant in the landscape of college football.

The irony is Pitt fans who say our schedule isn't tough enough do not realize they are the reason whY.

Time to let Pitt fade into oblivion

Assume we scheduled Georgia instead of Pitt. We would be slightly better off if we beat them but completely out of it if we had 2 losses.

 

[LioninNC]

Perhaps your pitt education hasn't helped you with reading comprehension.

Pitt played Rice and Youngstown St this year
And 10 P5 teams

Penn State played Georgia St and Akron
And 10 P5 teams

Clemson plays the Citadel and Kent St and 10 P5 teams

The quality opponent needed to be replaced is Pitt. No team plays 11 power 5 teams. Pitt is like playing Wake Forest or Kentucky

I disagree. Clemson also plays a "rivalry" game every year against South Carolina in the last game of their season. The problem isn't playing Pitt, its playing the Akron's and Georgia State's. Let's face it, who wants those games. Not TV. Not Penn State fans. As a fan, who would you rather drive to State College to see, a game against Georgia State or an ACC team, even if it is Pitt.

The only entity that wants those "money" games is the Penn State athletic dept because they want the revenue those games bring in. It would not hurt Penn State at all (except financially) to play an Auburn, a VA Tech, a Notre Dame every year while also playing Pitt in a "rivalry" game, the last game of the season. Fans would love it, TV would love it, and it would help Penn State 's strength of schedule immensely when we are a candidate for the CFP.

 

[Ranger Dan]

There are three reasons to never play Pitt.
1. They are a second tier P5 program and do not have a lot of exposure on their own. The fact that they are playing Penn State is being used as evidence that they are relevant. Stop playing them and they will wither on the vine.
2. Playing mediocre programs is a can't win proposition. If we beat them, then the win is not valued because they are just Pitt. If we lose to them (like 2016), then it can be crushing to our strength of schedule.
3. They are within the heart of our recruiting territory, and do not expand our footprint whatsoever. We should schedule games against quality teams in the southeast (Auburn is coming), Texas, or west coast every year.

 

[Cpeplion]

Idaho and Buffalo?!?! Really? and you think playing Pitt is the problem?

2018:

• 09/01 - Appalachian State
• 09/08 - at Pittsburgh
• 09/15 - Kent State

2019

• 08/31 - Idaho
• 09/07 - Buffalo
• 09/14 - Pittsburgh

 

[Woodpecker]

Oklahoma beat OSU who beat PSU

5 Oklahoma
6 OSU
7 PSU

See the pattern...?

Well, as you know, you can do that with any team