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OOC - Scheduling. The mistake of scheduling Pitt has cost us

LioninNC said:
I disagree. Clemson also plays a "rivalry" game every year against South Carolina in the last game of their season. The problem isn't playing Pitt, its playing the Akron's and Georgia State's. Let's face it, who wants those games. Not TV. Not Penn State fans. As a fan, who would you rather drive to State College to see, a game against Georgia State or an ACC team, even if it is Pitt.

The only entity that wants those "money" games is the Penn State athletic dept because they want the revenue those games bring in. It would not hurt Penn State at all (except financially) to play an Auburn, a VA Tech, a Notre Dame every year while also playing Pitt in a "rivalry" game, the last game of the season. Fans would love it, TV would love it, and it would help Penn State 's strength of schedule immensely when we are a candidate for the CFP.
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A few points:

- Save for USC, you'd be hard pressed to find a power 5 conference team that has 9 conference games regularly schedule more than 1 P5 quality opposition in non-conference.

- Clemson can schedule their rivalry game annually because the ACC only has 8 conference games. If the conference went to 9, that rivalry game would be on the chopping block.

- As a fan, would I rather actually watch PSU play Pitt than Georgia State if given the choice? Sure. I'd also like a yacht and private plane. Neither of those deal with reality of what is feasible though. I'm fine with that because I understand why GSU and Akron are on the schedule even if it's not the most entertaining game.

- TV put our Georgia State game on in prime time. The networks don't really care who PSU is playing.
 
IMHO here is "the deal" with some folks:
if PSU has a softer non conf . you hear we need to schedule better teams, look at .....and they are ranked higher.
If PSU schedules a tougher non conf. and they lose you hear we need to schedule a softer schedule like .......they are ranked higher....
 
The Chamber of Commerce has tons to say about our football schedule. We have to have those 2 extra home games because of the revenue generated in the comminity. And with 9 conference games, that means every other year we have 5 road games in conference. If an OOC game in that year is also on the road that means only 6 games at the Beav. That one extra game is a loss of millions in revenue for the community and school. So...that 7th home game has to be a team that's willing to play at PSU, take a butt whipping, and get a check for 500k for its school.
 
Aside from the argument that it's an "irrelevant" non con against an inferior opponent, that nonetheless obviously a large portion of the fan base loves to play and beat...

When these games were scheduled, it was before the playoffs were in place, and it was extended post-Sandusky and post-Joe with declining interest and years of sanctions ahead of us. Was the AD thinking, let's schedule another Top 25 team to pad our resume for the playoffs? No. So why are you whining over it? Future schedules are being done with that in mind, the current schedule is what it is. Maybe we should try beating OSU instead of whining that we didn't have another potential loss on the schedule instead of Oakland High. Then this would be all academic. Win that game and you're not whining about our strength of schedule.
 
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ThePennsyOracle said:
Not correct.

It's either caring about Pitt or Sandusky. You're in both clubs, and it's tough to tell which is more pathetic.
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Says a guy who chimes in to mostly Pitt or Sandusky threads. How Ironic. What's more pathetic is when someone makes such an out of touch post, completely not based in reality, like your quoted post above.
 
ThePennsyOracle said:
Go cry to mommy.
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So again, instead of responding to the content of my post, you turn to childish insults. You add zero value to this board, your posts make so little sense you have to be a troll. While it's extremely easy and entertaining to make you look stupid, you've joined the ignore list. Congrats kid!
 
BlueBand said:
Aside from the argument that it's an "irrelevant" non con against an inferior opponent, that nonetheless obviously a large portion of the fan base loves to play and beat...

When these games were scheduled, it was before the playoffs were in place, and it was extended post-Sandusky and post-Joe with declining interest and years of sanctions ahead of us. Was the AD thinking, let's schedule another Top 25 team to pad our resume for the playoffs? No. So why are you whining over it? Future schedules are being done with that in mind, the current schedule is what it is. Maybe we should try beating OSU instead of whining that we didn't have another potential loss on the schedule instead of Oakland High. Then this would be all academic. Win that game and you're not whining about our strength of schedule.
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Future schedules have home and home with Auburn, Virginia Tech and West Virginia. Problem is all three have a good name recognition and all three can have good years and bad years. As posted earlier, Alabama gets no credit this year for beating Florida State because they stink when they are a reliable top 10 team.
 
pandaczar12 said:
So again, instead of responding to the content of my post, you turn to childish insults. You add zero value to this board, your posts make so little sense you have to be a troll. While it's extremely easy and entertaining to make you look stupid, you've joined the ignore list. Congrats kid!
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I'm honored to be on your ignore list. Maybe you should cry to daddy too while you're at it. You add zero value to Earth.
 
Truly baffling the posters that cannot figure out the difference between 9 conference games and 8 conference games and how it affects OOC.

But then again, they are Pitt fans on a Penn State message board, so I get it.

Bottom line, Pitt adds nothing to an OOC schedule and never will
 
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ThePennsyOracle said:
I'm honored to be on your ignore list. Maybe you should cry to daddy too while you're at it. You add zero value to Earth.
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not true ... panda adds plenty of value to the beer threads, which we need another one of soon
the pitt obsessed posters do drive me nuts, but it really is easy to ignore it
 
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VaNtyLion said:
Just about every team in the country has two group of 5 cupcakes on their schedule...or worse. Scheduling Akron and GSU is not the problem.

Bama plays Mercer and Fresno State
Georgia plays App State and Samford
Notre Dame plays Temple and Miami, OH
Oklahoma plays UTEP and Tulane
Clemson plays Kent and Citadel
OSU plays Army and UNLV


Problem with playing Pitt is that even if they were decent it's not going to be seen in the same light as what these other schools above have done in scheduling FSU (even when they turn out to be junk), ND, Georgia, OSU, Auburn and Oklahoma respectively.

There really is no upside for PSU to play Pitt. Auburn, VT and even WVU all carry more cache on a national stage than Pitt does. It will be a major upgrade when Pitt falls off the schedule. We don't need it for recruiting; don't need it for attendance... and given the stage their program is in, it's not going to do one thing for strength of schedule. They're a net negative.
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I'm stunned that bama plays Mercer. Are we sure that isn't basketball?
 
mikemauti42 said:
With the recent narrative that our resume is not good enough, it was obviously a mistake scheduling Pitt OOC. They simply are not a team that will ever help being included on the schedule. They aren't good enough and rarely ever finish in the Top 25.

Since Penn State plays in the B1G East which is thought of as one of the toughest divisions in college football yearly and since the B1G plays 9 in conference games, the total of 9 big 10 teams and Pitt is not good enough. That's 10 power 5 teams, but Pitt is on the fringe of power 5. Luckily, we have recently scheduled Auburn, VT, and WVU. These are teams that are relevant in the landscape of college football.

The irony is Pitt fans who say our schedule isn't tough enough do not realize they are the reason whY.

Time to let Pitt fade into oblivion
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Pitt is the reason why. I like that.
 
mikemauti42 said:
Bottom line, Pitt adds nothing to an OOC schedule and never will
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Wrong. They add an OOC game many people still enjoy, that means more than beating another MAC team or worse. They add a (usual) win over a P5 team.
 
BlueBand said:
Wrong. They add an OOC game many people still enjoy, that means more than beating another MAC team or worse. They add a (usual) win over a P5 team.
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MAC teams offer a home game without a return visit. Pitt is a home-home. If we are going to have a home-home opponent, there are better choices than Pitt.
 
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UCF is a much better program with a much brighter future and they would give us a 2 for 1 series in a heartbeat. It would be great for recruiting as well.
 
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LioninNC said:
I disagree. Clemson also plays a "rivalry" game every year against South Carolina in the last game of their season. The problem isn't playing Pitt, its playing the Akron's and Georgia State's. Let's face it, who wants those games. Not TV. Not Penn State fans. As a fan, who would you rather drive to State College to see, a game against Georgia State or an ACC team, even if it is Pitt.

The only entity that wants those "money" games is the Penn State athletic dept because they want the revenue those games bring in. It would not hurt Penn State at all (except financially) to play an Auburn, a VA Tech, a Notre Dame every year while also playing Pitt in a "rivalry" game, the last game of the season. Fans would love it, TV would love it, and it would help Penn State 's strength of schedule immensely when we are a candidate for the CFP.
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First and foremost, Pitt is not a rival....hasn't been for 25-30 years. "You can't go home again" as they say. Pitt will not be relevant anytime soon if ever and we should not help their cause b/c there is no upside for us.
Fans under 40 would not love it. Most don't remember PSU playing Pitt nor Pitt being remotely relevant to CFB.
Fans over 40 include a moderate number that care but more who don't or are neutral.
TV wouldn't care b/c No one outside PA would care, or more accurately, no one in PA, east of State College, really cares.
Playing Pitt as a rival would be like playing a lower quality Mich St team every year. Pitt is a Nothing Burger and there is no reason to play them, EVER.
 
It amazes me how people think that playing Pitt will help them somehow become relevant when they get a beatdown from us most years. You're so afraid of doing anything that might in some way help their program, that you'd rather sacrifice the enjoyment of beating them and watching them wallow in mediocrity. Which tells me you probably hate them more than the rest of us, despite claiming not to care. Not caring about a program is how you feel about freaking Idaho, or Buffalo, or Akron.

Now, I understand the economics of 9 conference games, and only room for one home and home, and wanting to play a better intersectional game for strength of schedule and recruiting and fan excitement. Totally on board with that. But don't tell me the Pitt game means nothing and is pointless. Because it does mean something to a lot of people. Just not everyone. I get it, especially those who didn't grow up with when it was a real rivalry.

The real question is this: if Pitt somehow (not that I think it would happen) agreed to do a 2 for 1 to keep the series going, meaning we could dump one of the Georgia State type games, would you be OK with that, or would you still be whining? If you're still whining, it has nothing to do with strength of schedule and intersectional games, and everything to do with hating Pitt. And THAT is why we should be playing them, if we can.
 
If business is taken care of properly last Saturday( and assuming that they do so for the rest of the season) the OOC schedule is a stroke of genius . Being an undefeated P5 is a guaranteed ticket into the play offs no matter how bad the OOC schedule is.

OSU on the other hand scheduled a challenging OOC game lost it( badly I will admit) and despite running the table in their conference and CG ( an assumption for conversation sake)will be on the outside looking in if the unless at least 2 teams ahead of them lose and maybe will STILL be on the outside looking in if one of those losses is the loser of the Bama Georgia SEC CG
 
sdwcpa said:
If business is taken care of properly last Saturday( and assuming that they do so for the rest of the season) the OOC schedule is a stroke of genius . Being an undefeated P5 is a guaranteed ticket into the play offs no matter how bad the OOC schedule is.

OSU on the other hand scheduled a challenging OOC game lost it( badly I will admit) and despite running the table in their conference and CG ( an assumption for conversation sake)will be on the outside looking in if the unless at least 2 teams ahead of them lose and maybe will STILL be on the outside looking in if one of those losses is the loser of the Bama Georgia SEC CG
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It can work both ways depending on the results by other teams. You say had we beaten OSU and gone undefeated the weak OOC schedule would have been be genius. I can just as easily say that OSU's difficult OOC schedule last year was genius, because without it PSU would have gotten the CFP nod over OSU.
 
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mikemauti42 said:
And why is Clemson #4? They lost to Syracuse. You know why? Because they beat Auburn OOC who is ranked. Why is Oklahoma #5? They lost to Iowa State. You know why? They beat Ohio State OOC. We play continually unranked Pitt who will probably never be ranked while we play them
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Don't forget, we scheduled Pitt a few years ago, when are roster was depleted. Relax, 2 more years, and they will be off with better teams coming on.
 
PSUSignore said:
It can work both ways depending on the results by other teams. You say had we beaten OSU and gone undefeated the weak OOC schedule would have been be genius. I can just as easily say that OSU's difficult OOC schedule last year was genius, because without it PSU would have gotten the CFP nod over OSU.
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That is exactly my point. It is OK to schedule the big OOC game but you had better win it. The conventional wisdom that if you lost an early season big time OOC game and ran the table afterwards you would still be OK is nonsense. The problem is that you will very possibly be fighting for the play off spot with the very team that you lost to in the big OOC game. Why take the risk? Just take care of business in your own conference and your OOC schedule no matter how bad is meaningless. I used PSU not finishing the job last week as an example but i could just as easily used Wisconsin as an example.
 
mikemauti42 said:
With the recent narrative that our resume is not good enough, it was obviously a mistake scheduling Pitt OOC. They simply are not a team that will ever help being included on the schedule. They aren't good enough and rarely ever finish in the Top 25.


Since Penn State plays in the B1G East which is thought of as one of the toughest divisions in college football yearly and since the B1G plays 9 in conference games, the total of 9 big 10 teams and Pitt is not good enough. That's 10 power 5 teams, but Pitt is on the fringe of power 5. Luckily, we have recently scheduled Auburn, VT, and WVU. These are teams that are relevant in the landscape of college football.

The irony is Pitt fans who say our schedule isn't tough enough do not realize they are the reason whY.

Time to let Pitt fade into oblivion
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Dumb post. Psu was ranked #2 before osu game. Maybe you want to drop osu.
 
michnittlion said:
If (1) we aspire to be amongst the college football elite, and (2) we still want to schedule 7 home games a year ....

then it's a no-brainer. We need our OOC home-and-home to be against someone who is consistently better than Pittsburgh is. Games against them don't provide enough "reward" in an environment when the committee will be emphasizing quality wins.
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What was psu ranked last week?
 
I'm OK playing pitt, but pitt should only ever be a PSU home game, like an Akron or GA State. Why should we give up the revenue? The series is so uneven @pitt that this should not be an issue.
 
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Why are people freaking out over the first rankings?

There’s way too much football left to worry at this point.

FTR Clemson is ranked 4th because of where they started the season and having an injured QB in their loss.
 
I did not read one word in this thread. The topic is 100% east PA bullspit. It was one of the very best rivalries in sports and often had the biggest tv audience. We were the only prop building up the shame that is Temple football. That game gave us a larger entrance into the rich recruiting ground of SW PA. It was often played Friday after Thanksgiving and was still sold out with students home for the holiday. Take your worthless thoughts to the Cosstal Carolina fan page and beg them to again bolster our waning football fortunes.
 
Marylovesthelions said:
I did not read one word in this thread. The topic is 100% east PA bullspit. It was one of the very best rivalries in sports and often had the biggest tv audience. We were the only prop building up the shame that is Temple football. That game gave us a larger entrance into the rich recruiting ground of SW PA. It was often played Friday after Thanksgiving and was still sold out with students home for the holiday. Take your worthless thoughts to the Cosstal Carolina fan page and beg them to again bolster our waning football fortunes.
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"Was" being the key word. And for a very short time in the late 70s and early 80s when Pitt was cheating.
 
LineMountain said:
We’re #7 because we lost a game four days ago. If we had won we’d be #2 right now. It has nothing to do with our schedule.
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yes and no. When you have a weak out of conference schedule, you better win every in conference game our else your out. There's absolutely no wiggle room if you slip up.

Dump Pitt and play a real team.
 
VaNtyLion said:
Just about every team in the country has two group of 5 cupcakes on their schedule...or worse. Scheduling Akron and GSU is not the problem.

Bama plays Mercer and Fresno State
Georgia plays App State and Samford
Notre Dame plays Temple and Miami, OH
Oklahoma plays UTEP and Tulane
Clemson plays Kent and Citadel
OSU plays Army and UNLV


Problem with playing Pitt is that even if they were decent it's not going to be seen in the same light as what these other schools above have done in scheduling FSU (even when they turn out to be junk), ND, Georgia, OSU, Auburn and Oklahoma respectively.

There really is no upside for PSU to play Pitt. Auburn, VT and even WVU all carry more cache on a national stage than Pitt does. It will be a major upgrade when Pitt falls off the schedule. We don't need it for recruiting; don't need it for attendance... and given the stage their program is in, it's not going to do one thing for strength of schedule. They're a net negative.
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Agreed. The only one who benefits from a PSU vs. Pitt game is Pitt.
 
Marylovesthelions said:
I did not read one word in this thread. The topic is 100% east PA bullspit. It was one of the very best rivalries in sports and often had the biggest tv audience. We were the only prop building up the shame that is Temple football. That game gave us a larger entrance into the rich recruiting ground of SW PA. It was often played Friday after Thanksgiving and was still sold out with students home for the holiday. Take your worthless thoughts to the Cosstal Carolina fan page and beg them to again bolster our waning football fortunes.
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I didn't read this thread but I'm informed enough to offer an opinion on it. OK.

Pitt was fine when we were an independent. It's been 30 years since we played Pitt after Thanksgiving.
 
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Cpeplion said:
Idaho and Buffalo?!?! Really? and you think playing Pitt is the problem?

2018:
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I think the OOC schedule this year and the next couple years shows where they thought the team would be now. They thought the team would not be up to playing higher caliber opponents. It turns out that we are way ahead of that. We may not be winning all of those tough games but this team has shown that they belong on the field with them.
 
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