OT: Game of Thrones S8E4 - 'The Last of the Starks' - Thread Discussion - Beware of Spoilers...

[WPB_lion]

Finally caught the episode. I am just "meh" at this point with the pacing and rushed plot. I hate Euron and his role in this. NK or NK/Bran/3ER should have been the final boss. It is what it is.

However, I actually kind of like that they are pushing Dany over the edge. It shows that anyone who really wants the crown or is able to get the crown looses their mind/happiness/soul in the process; it's an unobtainable thing and the pursuit never stops. What you have to do to maintain or obtain the crown steals your humanity, making you a shell of what you formerly were. Probably why John doesn't want it. He was solely focused on humanities' survival and doing what is right in the moment.

I can certainly see Dany and John not making it out of this. Dany goes nuts and has to be stopped, probably by John. John doesn't want to be king or feels guilt for having to stop Dany, so he removes himself from that opportunity (death or exile). Tyrion and Varis are killed and the Starks take over, either by committee or Sansa.

Dany, the Dragon Queen, is one of the great characters to come out of Game of Thrones (IMO, Arya is the best character). They spent years developing this awesome character who constantly proves she is up to the task of being the leader of Westeros only to break her down in the final season. It appears to me that they are trying to change her character's likability to reach a desired end to this story. It feels forced to me.

The idea that Dany would be a bad leader because she wants to use her superior fire power to attack Kings Landing is plain stupid. Innocent people are killed all the time in war and it is not uncommon for bad people surround themselves with civilians as a defensive tactic to protect themselves from superior fire power. A good leader does everything in his or her power to minimize the deaths of civilians but not at the cost of losing the war. The dragons are not nuclear bombs that indiscriminately kill everyone within miles of where they are dropped. IMO, Dany would be viewed favorably (by the TV audience and her followers) if she targeted the enemy soldiers with the dragon fire and tried her best to minimize the death of civilians.

IMO, the overall writing in the last 2 seasons has been lacking. The writers know where they want the story to end but they do not know how to get there with the quality that went into the first six seasons. While I still enjoy the show and certain episodes do live up to the standards of previous seasons, there are far too many eye rolling moments in the last 2 seasons.

 

[SR108]

Dany, the Dragon Queen, is one of the great characters to come out of Game of Thrones (IMO, Arya is the best character). They spent years developing this awesome character who constantly proves she is up to the task of being the leader of Westeros only to break her down in the final season. It appears to me that they are trying to change her character's likability to reach a desired end to this story. It feels forced to me.

The idea that Dany would be a bad leader because she wants to use her superior fire power to attack Kings Landing is plain stupid. Innocent people are killed all the time in war and it is not uncommon for bad people surround themselves with civilians as a defensive tactic to protect themselves from superior fire power. A good leader does everything in his or her power to minimize the deaths of civilians but not at the cost of losing the war. The dragons are not nuclear bombs that indiscriminately kill everyone within miles of where they are dropped. IMO, Dany would be viewed favorably (by the TV audience and her followers) if she targeted the enemy soldiers with the dragon fire and tried her best to minimize the death of civilians.

IMO, the overall writing in the last 2 seasons has been lacking. The writers know where they want the story to end but they do not know how to get there with the quality that went into the first six seasons. While I still enjoy the show and certain episodes do live up to the standards of previous seasons, there are far too many eye rolling moments in the last 2 seasons.

As someone above in the thread mentioned, she, (Dany) should have Sansa as her top advisor. I'm starting to think Sansa may sit on the throne when its all over.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

As someone above in the thread mentioned, she, (Dany) should have Sansa as her top advisor. I'm starting to think Sansa may sit on the throne when its all over.

I think Sansa gets a bit too much credit on this show for simply distrusting everyone. Sure, her greatest strength is she’s been around three of the worst, most untrustworthy characters on the show (Cersei, Joffrey, Littlefinger) but that doesn’t mean she has any idea about strategy, tactics, or diplomacy. The bar is pretty low though and she certainly couldn’t be worse than Tyrion.

I mean...

 

[AWS1022]

I think Sansa gets a bit too much credit on this show for simply distrusting everyone. Sure, her greatest strength is she’s been around three of the worst, most untrustworthy characters on the show (Cersei, Joffrey, Littlefinger) but that doesn’t mean she has any idea about strategy, tactics, or diplomacy. The bar is pretty low though and she certainly couldn’t be worse than Tyrion.

I mean...

Don’t forget she was around Ramsey Bolton as well.

 

[hlstone]

Don’t forget she was around Ramsey Bolton as well.

Ramsey was straight forward.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

HBO released photos from S8E5; nothing we haven't seen in previews, but if you're avoiding those as well, be aware - SPOILERS MAY FOLLOW....

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Looks like we're in for another big battle...

This is the one I'm most interested in - Euron looks like he's sh*tting a brick...

Sad Dany?! Nooooo....!!!!

Good look at The Golden Company....

So - where is this?? Pyke?

 

[psu7113]

1. They know the Night King can raise the dead.
2. They know the dead can only be killed with valyrian steel or dragon glass.

So what's the most logical move? Obviously, it's to send the entire dothraki army on a cavalry charge without valyrian steel or dragon glass. It's hard to watch a show when you're constantly saying to yourself, "Come on! Noone can be that stupid."

They had fire (flaming swords). Isn’t that supposed to work as well?

 

[psu7113]

The dothraki gained that weapon only after Melissandre appeared out of nowhere to light their swords on fire. Before that, they had planned a charge that any one could see was a suicide mission that would only serve to add to the army of the dead.

Nice try.

 

[NitneLiun]

They had fire (flaming swords). Isn’t that supposed to work as well?

Not when you're outnumbered by about 75:1

 

[anon_1eeb2b426hv3y]

Looks like we're in for another big ill-advised March to sitting duck land where they can be easily blown away by bow and scorpion fire.

Sad Dany?! Nooooo....!!!!

Seems a good thing since the rules are Jon is king and he’d be better at it.



So - where is this?? Pyke?
Could be on the shore but would need more cliffs for puke. Thought it may be the neck.

 

[bmw199]

HBO released photos from S8E5; nothing we haven't seen in previews, but if you're avoiding those as well, be aware - SPOILERS MAY FOLLOW....

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Looks like we're in for another big battle...

This is the one I'm most interested in - Euron looks like he's sh*tting a brick...

Sad Dany?! Nooooo....!!!!

Good look at The Golden Company....

So - where is this?? Pyke?

Jon and Varys, probably he goes to see her at dragonstone and Varys comes to meet him to talk about his future