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Penn State - Lehigh Dual Thread

Didn't Beard wrestle @ 195 in High School?

Something tells me he's one of those guys who is fighting his natural maturation to make weight-I seem to recall he weighed for HWT one time when @ Penn State when the regular was unavailable as an insurance policy if the team score couldn't have survived the FFT. (Ultimately, he didn't go).

It seems there's a lot of guys who really could use a hypothetical 215/220/100 kg weight class.

It's almost hilarious how the announcers make such a big deal about a 125 going to 133 (6,4% difference) but don't see a problem with somebody who probably should be 215/220 cutting to 197.

For that matter there's a lot of guys wo are 225-235 and facing the Adam Coons of the world, where the smaller wrestler is giving up 20+%$.

Beard's conditioning issue isn't a training/weight cut/physical issue. He's just a baby.

The second he gets in a tough match, he just freaks out and loses all ability to fight. It's the thing the Lehigh coaches have been working on him with the most.
 
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Beard's conditioning issue isn't a training/weight cut/physical issue. He's just a baby.

The second he gets in a tough match, he just freaks out and loses all ability to fight. It's the thing the Lehigh coaches have been working on him with the most.
Beard's former coach at Malvern Prep posts here on occasion and might have a different, first-hand opinion.
 
they have also perfected the Hidlay "wrestle the edge of the mat" technique..
They have had the back up to the edge technique down for a while. Every time they wrestle on a raised platform there is a safety concern they may backup off the platform.
I loved yesterday's 157 pound match. Kasak chases kid to the edge and shoots. Kid sprawls and circles in then immediately half shoots Kasak off the mat, Kasak stall.
If you are the chaser and initial shooter, you by definition are not the staller.
 
Beard's conditioning issue isn't a training/weight cut/physical issue. He's just a baby.

The second he gets in a tough match, he just freaks out and loses all ability to fight. It's the thing the Lehigh coaches have been working on him with the most.
That isn't really that coachable. You either have dog in your or you don't.
 
Beard's former coach at Malvern Prep posts here on occasion and might have a different, first-hand opinion.
I tried tagging his username, without success. Either I was thinking of the wrong one or he’s not on here anymore under that handle.
 
All true. But as someone else mentioned, Davis didn’t seem to have any interest in earning the final takedown in the third period. If you didn’t know the score, you wouldn’t have known he was behind. It’s really odd.
It seemed to me that Davis was frustrated and trying to entice Crookham to take a shot. He was pretty much standing up straight, moving towards Crookham with his leg forward in front of his body. If memory serves, Crookham's offense is mostly generated off countering his opponents takedown attempts.
 
It seemed to me that Davis was frustrated and trying to entice Crookham to take a shot. He was pretty much standing up straight, moving towards Crookham with his leg forward in front of his body. If memory serves, Crookham's offense is mostly generated off countering his opponents takedown attempts.

That could be true, but at some point, you need to abandon that strategy when you're behind.
 
Maybe it was just me, but this dual didn't have quite the vibe that I'm used to duals having when our guys are involved. Maybe it was because of that feeling, or lack there of, I thought our guys looked kind of flat. I could be wrong on both of the above mentioned. Is it possible for our guys to look flat, and still wrestle well? In my eyes, yes. If you disagree, then I definitely understand, because I don't really understand where I stand on all that. Now that I've confused everyone and myself here is my breakdown with all the rankings according to FLO. I know rankings mean nothing, but we continually talk about them.

125 LL: Would have loved to see him get to a few more takedowns. Most of us believe LL can make a run to Saturday night. Most of us are expecting at least an AA finish. Too high of expectations for a true frosh, possibly. However, with LL's accomplishments, I definitely don't think its out of reach to predict a top 8 at minimum. With Seymour ranked at 17, I definitely wanted a statement to be made that LL belongs in the top 10. LL was never in danger of giving up a takedown. He had a few low single attacks but never really got close. The lone takedown of the match came off a Seymour shot and a beautfiul LL counter. It was nice seeing LL able to get off bottom with relative ease. Bottom is a position notoriously difficult for true freshman. I expect LL to continue to improve and be right where we all think he can be come March.

133 Davis: It was nice to have Davis back against the consensus number 1 Crookham. Davis was in deep on I believe 2 singles. Everyone knows about Crookham's defesne, and if you didn't before, you do now. He has a tremendous rubber knee, and is usually able to use his defense as offense, but both shots ended in stalemates. I didn't see Davis hobble one time, which was nice to see. I do not know the extent of his injury, but if the coaches and training staff think he's good enough to toe the line against Crookham, I'd say the knee/leg is able to hold up against anyone. The lone takedown came off of a nice drag by Crookham, add in an escape and there you have his 4. Davis was able to get an escape and a stalling point. As many have mentioned, I would have liked to see Davis get in or at least attempt another shot. The more you can feel that rubber knee defense the better. As I type this, I think Davis can beat him. To do so, he'll have to get at least one takedown. Hopefully he'll be able to learn from the two shots he was in on and convert next time. Good showing after being out with an injury.

141 BB: Surprised I didn't read more on here about BB opening up against backup Carter Bailey. It is what it is at this point. His conditioning, pace, athleticism, and defense will continue to get him a lot of wins just like they have throughout his accomplished career. I think the top 3 at the weight are in a tier of their own. Not to discredit guys like Hardy and Lemley because I think those guys can knock one of the top 3 off, but I just don't think those guys have cemented themselves into that top tier.

149 SVN: It's unbelievable we are only watching SVN in his second full year. Gets the major 17-3 over backup Matt Repos. Matches against, Hensen, Lovett, and Parco are going to be really fun to watch. To be honest, his non stop attacks look almost sloppy, but his body control is second to none. His attack rate and conditioning is going to be a problem for everyone that toes the line against him. He's extremely creative and can turn his opponents offense into his own in a hurry. I think in every match so far, he's taken his opponent feet to back. Some of those flurries haven't been rewarded with back points, but the threat level is there.

157 Kasak: Semi surprised at this one against Logan Rozynski. First off, kudos to Rozynski. I think this kid is going to make some noise if not this year, soon. After looking at his bio on Lehigh's website, it shows his prep career record at 101-9. He was able to push Kasak and compete. With all that being said, maybe I underestimated Rozynski at first, and maybe Kasak did as well. I figured on Kasak coming out in his hometown and lighting up the scoreboard. His second shot he got in deep and it seemed like he was trying to convert for most of the first period. He did suffer a bloody nose and after the second blood time, it looked like his nose was bleeding pretty good. I know from experience that can prove to be quite difficult when one nostril is plugged and you get that rush of blood down your throat every now and then. Kasak ends up winning 5-2 and I don't recall him ever being in danger of giving up points. To be honest, I don't think Rozynski was ever deep on his legs. Without a doubt Kasak builds on this. I think he'll be disappointed in this match and will want to score more points moving forward.

165-184,HWT MM,Levi,CStar,Kerk: There's really nothing that needs to be said for these 4 weights. Starting with MM tf 18-1, a pin for Levi in 4:12 with what appeared to be a painful bow and arrow, CStar a 15-1 major, and Kerk a tf in 2:01.

197 Barr: In my opinion match of the night. I think this was Barr's first true collegiate test? I think he passed with flying colors against former Lion, Beard ranked at #6. Showed strength finishing on a shot when he was extended but was able to get his head to a side, work up and finish. I believe it was that shot that got him the major. Had some nice shot defense and looked like he'll be just fine if extra wrestling is needed with his conditioning. I think this proves he is an AA threat. How high he ends up on the podium is to be determined.


All in all, championships aren't won in December. However, stepping stones are being put in place to reach that goal. There wasn't anything definitively I can point to for any wrestler and say they need to improve. It was a dominant win and I'm sure the wrestlers, and coaches are happy with the outcome. Up next Wyoming next Sunday in Rec Hall.


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If that is us wrestling flat then all of the other D1 wrestling schools should just skip the rest of the season. We beat Lehigh 36-3 at their place (well kind of their place) and the only match they won was a 4-2 decision by the #1 ranked wrestler at his weight. If that was us flat then we will have 10 AAs with 5+ champs and break our the scoring record and the margin of victory records we set last year.
 
Quite an audacious thing to say about a 2x AA

Not really. It's just the truth. There's a level of mental frustration he just can't seem to get over. If the match is tougher than he THINKS it should be, he freaks out.

Watch his face after Barr's first takedown. He wasn't tired, he just stopped wrestling hard, stopped believing he could win the match.
 
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Beard's conditioning issue isn't a training/weight cut/physical issue. He's just a baby. The second he gets in a tough match, he just freaks out and loses all ability to fight. It's the thing the Lehigh coaches have been working on him with the most.
Where do you get this crap. A baby, ... freaks out? What does that even mean? I don't think either term applies to MB.

My take is Michael is an exceptionally talented wrestler who's ceiling is AA but outside of the top 2-4.

He is a accomplished 6th year wrestler who is what he is. He has known gas tank concerns, that don't necessarily mean a lack of conditioning. Everyone's lung capacity and blood oxygen levels are not the same. He slowed down in the 3rd vs Barr, but I would say he was far from broken.

To even the causal eye Barr was simply the better wrestler, why get 'personal' with a bunch of stuff that is poorly crafted opinion?
 
Beard's conditioning issue isn't a training/weight cut/physical issue. He's just a baby.

The second he gets in a tough match, he just freaks out and loses all ability to fight. It's the thing the Lehigh coaches have been working on him with the most.
That seems a bit harsh. Not everybody is as tough as Desanto and Warner, for instance.
 
Where do you get this crap. A baby, ... freaks out? What does that even mean? I don't think either term applies to MB.

My take is Michael is an exceptionally talented wrestler who's ceiling is AA but outside of the top 2-4.

He is a accomplished 6th year wrestler who is what he is. He has known gas tank concerns, that don't necessarily mean a lack of conditioning. Everyone's lung capacity and blood oxygen levels are not the same. He slowed down in the 3rd vs Barr, but I would say he was far from broken.

To even the causal eye Barr was simply the better wrestler, why get 'personal' with a bunch of stuff that is poorly crafted opinion?

Breathe man. And guess what? These aren't my words. These are the words of the Lehigh coaches. No one is being mean or getting "personal" - its just the facts. Beard trains WAY too hard for him to have gas tank issues. He just gets in his head sometimes. We all have our cross to bear and that's his.
 
Beard's conditioning issue isn't a training/weight cut/physical issue. He's just a baby.

The second he gets in a tough match, he just freaks out and loses all ability to fight. It's the thing the Lehigh coaches have been working on him with the most.
The most what?
 
Breathe man. And guess what? These aren't my words. These are the words of the Lehigh coaches. No one is being mean or getting "personal" - its just the facts. Beard trains WAY too hard for him to have gas tank issues. He just gets in his head sometimes. We all have our cross to bear and that's his.
Santoro called him a baby?

Link please.
 
IMO it's totally different in wrestling. We'd run 3 miles every day, live wrestle, do conditioning and then I'd go home and run another 5-6 miles. Every match I'd be dead in the 3rd period because I couldn't control the adrenaline. It probably didn't help that I couldn't eat either.
the bane of my wrestling career. it's a very real thing.

it's one reason why we sometimes see highly regarded recruits completely gas in their first match at carver.
 
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Beard wrestled 182 as late as Dec of his HS JR year.

If 197 is a problem, then why didn't he transfer to a school that needed a HWT? Sure, maybe he's not the tallest, and neither are Snyder and Feldman.

Sorry, but this comes across as finding a stalking horse for the pet project of adding 215/220 -- which has been beaten to death and was never going to happen before roster reductions + revenue sharing.


i tend to agree with what you write and I'm not pushing the 215/220 thing, it's strictly a bad hypothetical in pursuit of another contention.

What I only tangentially addressed was the idea that the answer to "gas tank" issues is "dude get on the bike" might be looking at the issue the wrong way. And the idea of cardio until you puke or running (home from practice as some of my teammates did) which is even worse-your knees don't need more in-season punishment. When you're young, you think you are unlimited and invincible, but you aren't, overtraining is just more insidious.

There's a point when sustained aerobic conditioning-especially as a means of attaining some arbitrary weight class not only doesn't pay dividends, but providing decreasing returns. The human body isn't infinitely malleable. you have to respect your individual physiology.

Look at the people that moved up and continued or experienced their success: Zain, Bo, Dake, Brooks, Cassar, Wright, Taylor, Let's not forget Snyder who was pinned @ 197, but then ripped off three NCAA titles at Heavy. And now we're watching Haines jump two weight classes and looking like a wrecking ball and Barr jumping up and also looking like the real deal.

In short:

Cael: The weight class matches the wrestler
Others: The wrestler matches the weight class.

Of course it doesn't always result in a championship. Jacob Kasper went from 184 to 285. Then again, he might last longer in the WWE than Steveson.

As for Beard, who knows whether he even considered the jump to Heavy? Maybe he didn't see what it did for Cassar. There are 'tweeners and our choices are constrained.

You would think at this point in his career, you think he'd be the guy who just drubbed the guy who just won a roster battle and is new to the starting role and the weight class. He's won a lot more matches than he lost at D1, so he is a great college wrestler, just not Hodge material. He'd probably destroy 99% of other college 197's and a few Heavys.
 
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I like vhsalum but this is a horrible take on Beard. As others have said, the best conditioned people can "gas" because of several possible psychological/physiological reasons. I remember Andrew Alton. The coaching staff couldn't figure him out either. It's not anyone's fault. Sometimes the body doesn't respond as we want it too.
 
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That was Levi-like.
I think this comes from superior technique. It's something a lot of our guys are able to do from seemingly impossible starting position. I'm not enough of a technician to explain it, but it involves getting the right angle/leverage. Still impressive as heck to see.
 
i tend to agree with what you write and I'm not pushing the 215/220 thing, it's strictly a bad hypothetical in pursuit of another contention.

What I only tangentially addressed was the idea that the answer to "gas tank" issues is "dude get on the bike" might be looking at the issue the wrong way. And the idea of cardio until you puke or running (home from practice as some of my teammates did) which is even worse-your knees don't need more in-season punishment. When you're young, you think you are unlimited and invincible, but you aren't, overtraining is just more insidious.

There's a point when sustained aerobic conditioning-especially as a means of attaining some arbitrary weight class not only doesn't pay dividends, but providing decreasing returns. The human body isn't infinitely malleable. you have to respect your individual physiology.

Look at the people that moved up and continued or experienced their success: Zain, Bo, Dake, Brooks, Cassar, Wright, Taylor, Let's not forget Snyder who was pinned @ 197, but then ripped off three NCAA titles at Heavy. And now we're watching Haines jump two weight classes and looking like a wrecking ball and Barr jumping up and also looking like the real deal.

In short:

Cael: The weight class matches the wrestler
Others: The wrestler matches the weight class.

Of course it doesn't always result in a championship. Jacob Kasper went from 184 to 285. Then again, he might last longer in the WWE than Steveson.

As for Beard, who knows whether he even considered the jump to Heavy? Maybe he didn't see what it did for Cassar. There are 'tweeners and our choices are constrained.

You would think at this point in his career, you think he'd be the guy who just drubbed the guy who just won a roster battle and is new to the starting role and the weight class. He's won a lot more matches than he lost at D1, so he is a great college wrestler, just not Hodge material. He'd probably destroy 99% of other college 197's and a few Heavys.
One mistake people make is focusing too much on aerobic training. Unless you are a cross country runner/swimmer, a lot of your training should be anerobic, short burts, short sprints. When you stack a bunch an anerobic training together it has aerobic benefits. The key parts of a wrestling match are anerobic, those short burst of energy to get a takedown/escape.

If you listen to Chance Marstellar, he will tell you almost all of his training occurs on the wrestling mat, anerobic.

A girl I coached in track is a D1 soccer player, most of their physical training is short sprints.

Dodge ball is anerobic.

A sure sign that a coach doesn't know what they are doing is if the team runs a bunch of laps. I see this all time at the high school where I coach track. Tennis coach has the team run a mile, I guess he hasn't notice the dimensions of a tennis court. Baseball team samething, the absolute most they have to run at anytime is 360 feet and that is a sprint.
 
Breathe man. And guess what? These aren't my words. These are the words of the Lehigh coaches. No one is being mean or getting "personal" - its just the facts. Beard trains WAY too hard for him to have gas tank issues. He just gets in his head sometimes. We all have our cross to bear and that's his.
You do realize you have absolutely no idea what "the facts" are or what “gets in” any person’s head but your own (if that). Always gotta laugh at less accomplished and likely insecure men disrespecting college athletes, especially a 2x AA in the NCAA’s toughest sport.
 
You do realize you have absolutely no idea what "the facts" are or what “gets in” any person’s head but your own (if that). Always gotta laugh at less accomplished and likely insecure men disrespecting college athletes, especially a 2x AA in the NCAA’s toughest sport.
Don't forget his stolen valor...
 
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You do realize you have absolutely no idea what "the facts" are or what “gets in” any person’s head but your own (if that). Always gotta laugh at less accomplished and likely insecure men disrespecting college athletes, especially a 2x AA in the NCAA’s toughest sport.
Yep. You’re not paying attention.

Not my words.
 
This team will break last years scoring record if they stay healthy which they typically do because of their training. Probably Caels best team as he has power at every weight. At least Top 5 at every weight. Incredible talent. The field will be demolished in Philly come March.
 
i tend to agree with what you write and I'm not pushing the 215/220 thing, it's strictly a bad hypothetical in pursuit of another contention.

What I only tangentially addressed was the idea that the answer to "gas tank" issues is "dude get on the bike" might be looking at the issue the wrong way. And the idea of cardio until you puke or running (home from practice as some of my teammates did) which is even worse-your knees don't need more in-season punishment. When you're young, you think you are unlimited and invincible, but you aren't, overtraining is just more insidious.

There's a point when sustained aerobic conditioning-especially as a means of attaining some arbitrary weight class not only doesn't pay dividends, but providing decreasing returns. The human body isn't infinitely malleable. you have to respect your individual physiology.

Look at the people that moved up and continued or experienced their success: Zain, Bo, Dake, Brooks, Cassar, Wright, Taylor, Let's not forget Snyder who was pinned @ 197, but then ripped off three NCAA titles at Heavy. And now we're watching Haines jump two weight classes and looking like a wrecking ball and Barr jumping up and also looking like the real deal.

In short:

Cael: The weight class matches the wrestler
Others: The wrestler matches the weight class.

Of course it doesn't always result in a championship. Jacob Kasper went from 184 to 285. Then again, he might last longer in the WWE than Steveson.

As for Beard, who knows whether he even considered the jump to Heavy? Maybe he didn't see what it did for Cassar. There are 'tweeners and our choices are constrained.

You would think at this point in his career, you think he'd be the guy who just drubbed the guy who just won a roster battle and is new to the starting role and the weight class. He's won a lot more matches than he lost at D1, so he is a great college wrestler, just not Hodge material. He'd probably destroy 99% of other college 197's and a few Heavys.
I’ve got to deduct a penalty point for use of “in short” in a post of this length. 😝
 
Yep. You’re not paying attention.

Not my words.
My attention’s fine for an oldster who only wrestled HS (never for Iowa’s Hawks). It’s yours that’s fuzzy. “He’s just a baby”, “he freaks out”, and “he just stopped wrestling” are your words, not any Lehigh coach’s. Playful instigation is expected on these threads, but crass, baseless attacks on a young man’s effort are for petty souls who never got close to achieving what Michael Beard already has.
 
I’m reminded of Mark Schultz writing in his book about not having good aerobic capacity.
 
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