PSU - OSU Match Thread
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Wow..was that all it was? I remember watching and thinking total domination.
I also remember the RBY/Teasdale
I must have missed the Pletcher over Yianni. Don’t remember that one
Question for the experts, ie, everyone. Why was Beard on Hoffman's foot? Inflicting pain, yes, but if he released the foot and just pushed GH's arm, the only thing holding him from being pinned, it would have been over. Plus he wasn't on his toes. I learned 50 years ago in Saturday Morning Wrestling you have be on your toes.
Yeah, I think he was having a little fun.
Yeah, I think he was having a little fun.
Improvement for the 4th straight match, infinitely better than what we saw against Indiana. No surprise, as that's "the process". Situation is, however, that the process works best over a normal season. Still, all teams are in the same boat, so play the hand we're dealt.
Most telling stat for this match was not the score, but the takedown differential, 24-3. Two of those were at 125, meaning tOSU had one in nine other bouts. Winning is much harder when offensive points are minimal.
All the guys had good energy, and had great effort, best of the year. I found some of the comments about guys that won, a bit over the top, and about those that lost (mostly Joe Lee) a bit harsh, but that's me. The learning continues for the wrestlers, from both wins and losses. Opponents will tweak their game plan too, so the guys need to continue working hard. Cael has said that the guys listen more intently after a loss, but I expect continued improvement for all.
Re. the Starocci vs Romero match, and touching the floor beyond the mat (discussed somewhere in the middle of this thread)...that's been going on for years. Never saw it called a stall. Mat sizes are fairly standard, 42' x 42' with a 32' diameter wrestling area. That leaves 5' to the floor at the middle of all 4 sides. The NCAA allows mat circumferences in the 32' to 42' range, but I have not seen the larger mats in some time (maybe some here have). The mat can actually be placed right up against a wall, or bleachers or the scorers table, though most are not except in tournament setting with multiple mats and space constraints.
Most telling stat for this match was not the score, but the takedown differential, 24-3. Two of those were at 125, meaning tOSU had one in nine other bouts. Winning is much harder when offensive points are minimal.
All the guys had good energy, and had great effort, best of the year. I found some of the comments about guys that won, a bit over the top, and about those that lost (mostly Joe Lee) a bit harsh, but that's me. The learning continues for the wrestlers, from both wins and losses. Opponents will tweak their game plan too, so the guys need to continue working hard. Cael has said that the guys listen more intently after a loss, but I expect continued improvement for all.
Re. the Starocci vs Romero match, and touching the floor beyond the mat (discussed somewhere in the middle of this thread)...that's been going on for years. Never saw it called a stall. Mat sizes are fairly standard, 42' x 42' with a 32' diameter wrestling area. That leaves 5' to the floor at the middle of all 4 sides. The NCAA allows mat circumferences in the 32' to 42' range, but I have not seen the larger mats in some time (maybe some here have). The mat can actually be placed right up against a wall, or bleachers or the scorers table, though most are not except in tournament setting with multiple mats and space constraints.
Me too (re. Pletcher/Yianni), it wasn't until I saw it again in black and white that I had a vague recollection. Btw, if you get Flo, you can re-watch the Lee/Sasso bout.
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Agreed. Not every wrestler cuts a lot of weight and they do fine( Nick Lee, Mark Hall, Shak, Bo)
With the 2 exceptions of Big10 Sunday and NCAA Saturday the weight difference shouldn't be an issue. I would be thrilled if those 2 exceptions became real issues.
Sorry, yes, I stand corrected.
You are mostly correct, but he was #2 behind only Gable, possibly the #1 recruit of the decade. Flo even said maybe the best highschool wrestler ever.
Your point though? He should struggle with the likes of Orn the dorf Dorfman, and #104 Peter Stay Puff Christiansen? You convinced me.
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You are mostly correct, but he was #2 behind only Gable, possibly the #1 recruit of the decade. Flo even said maybe the best highschool wrestler ever.
Your point though? He should struggle with the likes of Orn the dorf Dorfman, and #104 Peter Stay Puff Christiansen? You convinced me.
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Taking into account that the real-world physical constraints and logistics aren't going away, I'd be in favor of simply shrinking the circle enough so that the wood floor, the wall, the Blaise Alexander sign, etc., aren't ever a factor. It shouldn't matter whether the action is taking place in the corners, where there's plenty of extra mat beyond the circle, or near the 12, 3, 6, and 9 o'clock areas--there should just be enough room. If a wrestler guy can lock a cradle with one toe in bounds, there should be enough room for that wrestler to complete the move without consideration of whether the opposing wrestler can simply tap himself out by finding the gym floor.
I guess if you shrunk the circle to a degree where the floor becomes a non-issue, you might have wrestlers going out of bounds more, at least at first, but I think they'd adjust. I imagine there'd also be resistance from some people who might deem the dimensions of the circle as sacred, but the rules should serve the sport, not vice versa.
Agreed. Beard is very good on go’od on hiss feet and is aggressive .as well. Beard will be a force at this weight .
Am I going soft on TanTom?
It hasn’t been mentioned in this thread, but how many of us honestly believed TT would send out Malik and Romero last night? Normally he would have seed protected (ducked).
Appreciate that he didn’t. It’s bad for the sport and I hate it.
Props to TT
It hasn’t been mentioned in this thread, but how many of us honestly believed TT would send out Malik and Romero last night? Normally he would have seed protected (ducked).
Appreciate that he didn’t. It’s bad for the sport and I hate it.
Props to TT
During and after the Indiana match Hawk fans were all over our board letting us know how average we looked.
Their silence yesterday says a lot.
I fully admit that I didn’t think he’d send Romero out. That said, I can’t give him too much credit for something he should have been doing all along.
I like that. We should truly have an award like that named after Jason!
This is something I've been thinking about quite a bit this season. Cael & Co. undeniably have a superior formula for success during a normal season. I have wondered (worried) if/how that formula works under the strains of a pandemic + reload + injuries season. If PSU performs above seed at Nationals this year it may be one of Cael's most impressive feats yet. If PSU comes close to seriously challenging Iowa at Nationals, well, that outcome could just be legendary.
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I think the mat at Oklahoma State has about a 15 foot diameter for its wrestling area. That thing is tiny.
Who cares where he was ranked. Seth is exactly like Nick, except 10 lb heavier.Sorry
You are correct he was #2 behind only Gable, possibly the #1 recruit of the decade. Flo even said maybe the best highschool wrestler ever.
Your point though? He should struggle with the Orn the dorf Dorfman? You convinced me.
Seth Nevills Commits to Penn State Wrestling
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Nick generally beat NCAA Quarters/Round 2-level opponents, often a 1-score margin of victory. He struggled with NCAA Semis-level opponents due to lack of quickness. And he was better those times he was at 255, rather than his usual 262-265.
No idea why we'd expect anything different from Seth. Except he might not get down to 255.
He's not going to light up the scoreboard like Cassar, Snyder, Steveson, or Parris. That's not who he is. He's the HWT who wins 4-2 type matches, and 6-2 against a decent opponent is almost a blowout.
Ok I am going to come out and say it in my conclusion.
Beard is one of those kids where you see a lot of in-year development. He always had the talent, especially in neutral, but the Ballsack match last year had us all a bit concerned about his game from bottom, and his gas tank which displayed issues several times.
When I look at him now I see a very confident wrestler. Is it me or does he look stronger and a bit more defined as well. Thick legs and some definition in his arms.
I am not willing to go there regarding how far he might go at NCAAs other than I am confident he has semis written all over him right now. I need to see him up against the best on bottom for a period or two more to determine if he has addressed those issues. He was the aggressor against Amine and only a little sloppiness and some slick countering kept him out of the conversation of a huge upset.
What I will say is I am not on the Jacob Warner bandwagon. He is not as strong as Michael, not as quick or athletic, and he seems to fade in most of the matches I see. I say Michael takes him out at Bigs by 4 points. Book it!
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Iowa vs Ohio State
Iowa wins 7 weights
33-14 final team score
PSU vs Ohio State
PSU wins 7 weights
28-12 final team score
When the Beau Bartlett bobblehead is created, you all better be sending yours to my man NittanyChris. Dude has been speaking the truth!
After how well Bartlett wrestled last night and the good things to come from him, I thought Cael might have had the team bus driver stop at every fast food restaurant from Columbus to State College. Cael - "hurry up Beau and tell them to make it the biggy size" .
My first stop would have been to Buckeye Donuts. Damn good.
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My first stop would have been to Buckeye Donuts. Damn good.
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My main knock on Seth is that I think it's in his head. Maybe going up against who he does in our room messes with his mind. We have multiple examples of the best of the best at his weight, and it must get demoralizing at times.
Physically, sure he is no Paris or Gable or Cassar, but surprisingly enough for his size and build he can be quick and athletic.
Just watch his matches against the poor competition early this year. He displayed a lot of his tools and I give him an A+. Then against better competition he shuts everything down and forces a close and tenuous outcome. In this early matches he knew he was going to win so he wrestled balls out.
If you watch Cassi, he is similar physically to Seth, sure shorter and more powerful, but mentally, that kid is on a mission whether it is against Joe blow or Gable it doesn't matter. He wins because he thinks he can beat anybody and goes about it like it's the last match of his career every time.
If Nick wrestled friggin angry he could/should/will be a top 4-6 guy and earn some bonus in the process. I want him to unleash his potential, thats it.
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The explosiveness Bartlett showed on his early takedown is a physical gift that can't be taught.
Can't wait to see him develop.
My guess ... it immobilized his entire lower body, and he had another 90 or so seconds to wait it out. Releasing it would have given Hoffman a split second to get his lower body in motion before he tightened up top.
That would be my gripe with Seth (if I had one). I don't see the aggressive get it done mindset. Not all guys have the need to win. Everyone wants to win but there are athletes that must win and those are the guys at a different level.
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Sorry, yes, I stand corrected.
You are mostly correct, but he was #2 behind only Gable, possibly the #1 recruit of the decade. Flo even said maybe the best highschool wrestler ever.
Your point though? He should struggle with the likes of Orn the dorf Dorfman, and #104 Peter Stay Puff Christiansen? You convinced me.
Seth Nevills Commits to Penn State Wrestling
The Nevills family has produced four high-level collegiate wrestlers. Penn State just snagged its second Nevills brother, three-time heavyweight California state champion, Seth Nevills.
By the time team recruiting ranking came out that year he had dropped to fourth according to Flo. Still, I get the point you are trying to make, it would be nice to see some wider margins against these guys.
Can we stop using a genetalia term to distort Greg Bulsak's name?
We don't live in HR ...
Sorry, yes, I stand corrected.
You are mostly correct, but he was #2 behind only Gable, possibly the #1 recruit of the decade. Flo even said maybe the best highschool wrestler ever.
Your point though? He should struggle with the likes of Orn the dorf Dorfman, and #104 Peter Stay Puff Christiansen? You convinced me.
Seth Nevills Commits to Penn State Wrestling
The Nevills family has produced four high-level collegiate wrestlers. Penn State just snagged its second Nevills brother, three-time heavyweight California state champion, Seth Nevills.
The link you produced is from Seth’s junior year of high school. By the time he graduated, he had fallen to 22nd on Flo’s big board. Gable, Paris, and Cass were all ranked ahead of him. In the p4p rankings, two junior heavies ( Kerk and Schultz) ranked ahead of him too. You are overstating the blueness of his chippery.
Orndorf was seeded 8th at NCAAs last year and had wins during the season over Tanner Hall, Jordan Wood, and Gannon Gremmel (two). In this year’s preseason rankings, he was sixth. He’s a quality heavyweight who is having a disappointing season.
That was a solid win for Seth
I sometimes forget Gavin was usually getting the better of Michael in high school. A lot of Ohio State fans talked about how we made the wrong choice between 197 pounders. Similarly, so many Iowa fans are so confident Kennedy will get the better of Facundo in college because of a match from Facundo's JUNIOR year.
Our guys take losses in high school and college, they're not afraid to bottom line. Our guys take losses at conferences then win nationals. (Ask Nico, Mark, Cenzo) It's a mentality thing that Cael seeks. It allows them to wrestle loose in March. It also leads to some sloppy mistakes and losses but guess what? That's wrestling, it happens.
I remember thinking Nick was probably mentally done in wrestle offs in 2018. He gets pinned by a kid he should probably tech fall in the first round and has Josh Alber first match back. Nope ... back to work. Wins 5 matches in a row and is in the difference between Cael's most dramatic team race.
Our guys take losses in high school and college, they're not afraid to bottom line. Our guys take losses at conferences then win nationals. (Ask Nico, Mark, Cenzo) It's a mentality thing that Cael seeks. It allows them to wrestle loose in March. It also leads to some sloppy mistakes and losses but guess what? That's wrestling, it happens.
I remember thinking Nick was probably mentally done in wrestle offs in 2018. He gets pinned by a kid he should probably tech fall in the first round and has Josh Alber first match back. Nope ... back to work. Wins 5 matches in a row and is in the difference between Cael's most dramatic team race.
We had 2 starters out with Covid or it would have been 9-1 and most likely a 40-6 score. Not an apples to apples comparison.
I always thought that winning in Calif. high school was a really big deal. Now, I am not so sure.Good does not equal great.
Agree Chris, Sasso is probably the most physical, and best defensive, wrestler in the nation at 149. For Bartlett to wrestle him as aggressively as he did, right out of the gate, really says something about Bartlett's confidence - he not only has the skills, but also the confidence, to do well @149. The gap is already razor-thin between Bartlett and Sasso... and that really shocked me. Bartlett looked like he could score some significant team points at both B1Gs and NCAAs against Sasso.
Can’t base it on one mans performance. The state is not broken into sections. A 32 man bracket is a gauntlet. I don’t care who you are, a California state champ is a great accomplishment.
After how well Bartlett wrestled last night and the good things to come from him, I thought Cael might have had the team bus driver stop at every fast food restaurant from Columbus to State College. Cael - "hurry up Beau and tell them to make it the biggy size" .
My first stop would have been to Buckeye Donuts. Damn good.
Oh ok sorry! I thought you were referring to PSU last night! My bad
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