PSU Rutgers Match Thread
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Actually, it was a cow-catcher he had locked in. Hesitated just a moment, and lost his chance as his (taller) opponent stiffened up and loosened Cutch's grip on the chin. He couldn't get it back.
Would be interested to compare this "simpleton" analysis to Spyker's more in-depth, 2-hour analysis that he performed recently, which I'm sure is based on his 25 year involvement in the PSU wrestling program.
True, I was trying to be conservative and demonstrate no reason for any panic. I think there's more points in there, but a healthy Oklahoma state might score more too. I like were the team is.
Yes, my bad Double Overhooks with hands locked at center of back (double underhooks would put his hands under opponents chest....)....
We must be seeing different things. I saw a deep underhook w/ overhead chin lock (cow-catcher...think Ramos).
Imagine, as the opposing coach, trying game plan against Nolf.
Or Bo - either of these guys can take you to your back in an instant from neutral, top or bottom! You can't blink with these guys or you miss the entire match!
Imagine, as the opposing coach, trying game plan against Spyker.
FIFY
Nah, he definitely had both arms and hands locked in middle of Correnti's back.
Not a problem, unlike Nolf, Spyker is amazingly consistent, even after 1,000 intervals.
Imagine, as the opposing coach, trying game plan against Spyker.
MFF
oh, don't bring me into that war, LOL.Would be interested to compare this "simpleton" analysis to Spyker's more in-depth, 2-hour analysis that he performed recently, which I'm sure is based on his 25 year involvement in the PSU wrestling program.
Most guys, when they lock up that move from standing, try to run the opponent around until they drop to knees, then run them over from there as if a basic half.
Mouse also can step in and toss them over. Looks just like an over the top headlock when he hits it. It definitely works against taller guys -- but, since not locking hands, he absolutely must have the chin locked. Wish he could've hit that there, it's highlight reel stuff.
Actually, I always get these confused but I'm going back to my original - Double Underhooks results in hands locked on middle of opponents back (Double Overhooks results in hands under opponents chest). Matt definitely had Double Underhooks in with hands locked on Correnti's back.
A few days ago Sanderson said he's nearly ready, but still needed to work his way back into match condition. Probably figured he wasn't needed tonight, but a guess is he goes next week vs Iowa.
Yeah -- my recollection was that he had stepped in to give himself position to throw it hip-toss style, but he hesitated when the chin started to slip. Then was stuck in no-man's-land and just clinched until the hold was broken completely.
He actually did initially get his hands locked on Correnti's back....you are right, you generally see guys move the opponent around and then make a "cross body" throw - kind of a half suplex where they move them around, straighten them up a bit and get up under them a little for the "cross body" throw.
Goodness guys, the kid has 2 losses on the year, both to top-5 opponents. When he starts losing to lesser opponents maybe then I'll worry.
Ok I am worried. If Cael, Cody and Casey decide to pull Mark Hall's shurt - what the Sam hill will we discuss?
Please guys, do not pull the shirt. I fear the silence of the board.
Please guys, do not pull the shirt. I fear the silence of the board.
Honestly, Matt looked in very good position when he first got the hooks in and Gibbons even said something like "McCutcheon in great position here...here we go on the throw", but then Matt looked like he lost his confidence and nerve to attempt a throw and he kind of just faded out of the position - it was really kind of odd as Correneti even seemed a little surprised he was just releasing him and backing off.
I was at Rec Hall and I thought he had the NF on the tilt. I didn't know WTF was going on because he didn't get the 2 NF on that. We got one there. Should have been 2 NF.
The whole place had a "OHHH SHIIIIIITTT" reaction at the same time of the blast double. And the best part was that it wasn't even the first blast double he used tonight.
VJ, like Nolf, has a lot of varied attacks on his feet. He has a heck of an ankle pick and and inside trip, too. On top of that he can throw you, and his best shot is that blast double.
VJ has no shortage of attacks from his feet.
Barely anyone left early before the Nevills match. There was like an exodus of like 10 people from my section that left, but the place was still packed for Nick.
This is pretty standard. Everything is gravy, and people are nice and gracious before a match/game of whatever it is PSU. However, the second they start losing or realizes they've lost it's "PED STATE/Pedophiles/Jerry Sandusky/Joe Knew/They shouldn't have a program/whatever"
It's the lowest common denominator. The low hanging fruit. The easy stuff. You know somebody is of low intelligence when they switch from gracious to this stuff in the course of a game/match.
I always get a chuckle from comments like this. (Sorry jrd23, using your post as an example.) In most cases the ref is somewhere between 6 inches to 3 feet from the action, and their main focus is on whether the 45 degree threshold has been broken. Granted, they aren't using a protractor, but most college refs worked their way up the ranks, and have seen 10s of 1,000 of NF or nearly NF situations. Along the way, they work out what is 45 degrees, what is not, when swipes are warranted, when swipes have to stop due to the defensive wrestling being out of criteria, etc.
I'll never state that refs are perfect -- that's not my purpose here. However, I don't believe that a single person sitting in the stands has a better perspective on whether a wrestler is in criteria AND has better experience at determining whether or not criteria has been met.
The 2nd best part about the "blast double" was that it was barely a shot. VJ lowered his level just as Scott stepped forward, and it was as though he ran into an anvil.
The best part came 2 seconds later, as the official awarded points and then promptly asked "Red, are you okay?!" Scott couldn't lift his head, but was just able to flash up a thumb to signal he was still conscious.
It was really close Tom - not only was it close but Geno seemed to just stay right there at that 45 degree angle with his scapulas more than 10 inches from mat (think its 10 inches or whatever it is...). So it resulted in a situation where ref looking right at it, starring at it but not making any swipes....then Bakuckus got some movement and he made a swipe, but Geno bounced up a little and he stopped after 1 swipe....then Bakuckus moved him back down incrementally and abother swipe....then Geno rolled out and then got to his feet and escaped. I mean it was really close - right on the line. If he calls it the other way, Geno would have given up a 4 count....but like you say, the Ref seemed very confident of his call and didn't hesitate with swipes when he thought criteria engaged, but was odd how Geno just hung there right on the line in and out of criteria momentarily for some time.
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his first shot was a low single and he was able to pull the foot out... nice execution. His other shot looked more like a Hi-C ending up with a head outside single. I thought he was in good position but he lost it and ended up in that horrible scramble...
He looked like he was in good position to me. He had to step into the kid with his left leg for the trip and he would have thrown him over. He just didn't seem confident that he'd take him over, but had had turned into him to his right, and inside tripped with his left leg and throwing his hips into him I think he would have tossed him to his back.
I only caught the last half of the meet, but that Peterson-granby, into hi-c Iranian type finish, right into the cradle was pure magic from Bo, holy bananas. Also Nevills had some really slick ankle picks. From what I saw thought Rutgers wrestled pretty tough, despite having a huge talent disparity between the two teams.
I won't argue that the ref had a better view than I did. He definitely did. Maybe his shoulders weren't past 45, but from where I was sitting the ref was being generous to PSU there. I'm not complaining, and I could certainly be wrong. All I'm saying is that from my seat in Rec Hall it looked like Geno's shoulders were past 45 degrees. If the teams were reversed there I would have wanted the ref to give our guy the NF points on that. Maybe I'm wrong, but I though it was a generous call, but even after review it held up so there's a good chance I'm just wrong here. It would not be the first time (and it won't be the last time) I'm wrong in my life. Just ask my GF.
I like to imagine what opposing coaches are saying to their guys in the corner. So, last night, I was watching Goodale, after Van Brill took Nolf down. Goodale was over there animatedly talking to his guys behind him. And, I imagine he was saying, "See? These guys are not invincible. That's how you take down Jason Nolf. Now, go out there, do what we've taught you, and you can beat these guys."
Personally, I was thinking, "I wonder if Van Brill knows that he has just opened the tiger's cage?"
Personally, I was thinking, "I wonder if Van Brill knows that he has just opened the tiger's cage?"
He even said in the post he was 3 drinks into his evening. That's the real story.
I thought the team looked really good last night. Great effort up and down the lineup. You'll never find me complaining about a 37-6 win over a top ten team ...
I do hope the coaches were in Morelli's ear after his match. He has made great strides being more aggressive on his feet but seems to go into shutdown mode if/when he gets one takedown. Last night it almost cost him and he's got to learn to keep attacking even when in the lead. He has the talent but needs to give himself more breathing room in matches.
One could argue Cutch is the same way at 197 but I don't hold it against him as he is still undersized and is figuring out what he can and can't get away with against bigger opponents on his feet. I keep hoping he'll learn that trying to throw legs in when a 197 pounder is coming to his feet is a recipe for a reversal but he keeps doing it.
I do hope the coaches were in Morelli's ear after his match. He has made great strides being more aggressive on his feet but seems to go into shutdown mode if/when he gets one takedown. Last night it almost cost him and he's got to learn to keep attacking even when in the lead. He has the talent but needs to give himself more breathing room in matches.
One could argue Cutch is the same way at 197 but I don't hold it against him as he is still undersized and is figuring out what he can and can't get away with against bigger opponents on his feet. I keep hoping he'll learn that trying to throw legs in when a 197 pounder is coming to his feet is a recipe for a reversal but he keeps doing it.
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