Well......they are about the same size. Have you ever seen them in the same room together? Thought Not. I kid I kid
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This ^ I think this is what frustrated Cael. Cal Poly, a more selective school than Penn State and one that's out of conference, was able to make it work. In fact, they made it work pretty quickly. The reason Evan ultimately gave up on Penn State is because they more or less gave him a deadline to accept the money and he couldn't keep them hanging. Evan clearly was not any kind of academic risk. If Evan had to drop to I don't know (XYZ school with nonstrenuous admissions) then I think it would be more understandable.
Penn State was difficult. From what I hear, Cael went on a run around for weeks basically and emphasized Wick could very well be the difference in a national championship and nobody helped him. A coach as competitive as him with his goals, I don't expect him to get over that very quickly.
Cal Poly is also quarters rather than semesters which can make transferring more challenging. That and the reasons you cited makes Penn State look very bad in comparison.
As a tenured prof at an AAU (and D1 wrestling) school, I have direct experience with reviewing transfer credits for equivalency. The most-important thing to keep in mind is that the faculty of the department have the exclusive authority on this matter. While administrators (dean, provost, president) could exert some pressure, unless their tenure home is in this particular department, the administrators don't have a vote (and, given faculty's sensitivity towards degree program-related matters, even trying to exert such pressure would be counter-productive). I can understand Cael's frustration, and without knowing the specifics cannot say whether or not it was a reasonable decision to not count the transfer courses as equivalent to specific degree requirements, but I can assure you that this wasn't the call of anyone except the faculty in the department.
As frustrating as the Wick situation must have been, it is an unusually situation that is not likely to be a recurring event. Cael came to PSU for a reason- he put emotions aside, left his alma mater to come to the school he felt gave him the best chance to reach his goals. If he feels he has reached his goals and wants a different challenge, perhaps he moves on. However, one failed transfer doesn’t mean PSU isn’t still the place for him.
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If all that is true, then I can’t say I have a problem with it. In no way should an academic department allow athletic endeavors (and especially overtures from a coach) influence its decision-making on academics. As long as the decision is consistent with standard policy/guidelines and past practice under said p/g, the decision is just. Under that kind of a scenario (which I consider hyothetical in the absence of hard information), the coach should get over it pretty quickly and appreciate that an academic department is not being corrupted by athletic influences, even if over a mere technicality.
And yes, I am aware it seems unfair if “everyone else is doing it”, or if other institutions have more flexible/reasonable policy . . . but in the end, doing what is consistent with one’s own policy is both fair and right. Maybe a policy revision will come out of it down the road, but until then, playing it by the book is fair.
All that opinion is subject to change, of course, if the decision was inconsistent with past practice. Say, for example, if the sport we are discussing here isn’t getting the same latitude some other sport(s) receive from the department.
Academic integrity! I thought that all went out the window when athletic departments started their long march towards academic dominance. It’s great to hear that in some small part of the University-Industrial complex that getting education done well is a priority.
That isn't the point here unless you're saying Cal Poly lacks academic integrity. If Cal Poly could make it work, Penn State should've also been able to make it work.
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Wick's listed major at Wisconsin was listed as Rehabilitation Psychology (BE. A cursory search of PSU majors, the closest one looks to be a Rehabilitation and Human Services. I have neither the time nor interest in parsing course by course requirements between the two programs. It is not uncommon for the same major to have significant differences in emphasis from school to school. For example, I started out as an Architecture major, and one thing that I found was that the math requirement varied significantly from school to school. Back when I was shopping for schools, PSU Arch only required six credits of math, ANY math class. GATech, which at the time was ranked lower than PSU, required nine credits of math, six of which had to be calculus.
Another thing to consider is that since both are BSEducation degrees, they most likely require a teaching internship, and there may be differences in requirements from state to state.
Wick's listed major at CalPoly is Interdisciplinary Studies in Liberal Arts. Interdisciplinary degrees by their very nature and definition are much more flexible in what courses count for the degree. Penn State does offer a a BS in Integrated Social Sciences and again, I have neither the time nor interest in parsing course by course requirements. I think that it is safe to assume that Penn State's degrees in Integrative Arts (my final degree), Interdisciplinary Business with Engineering Studies, and Interdisciplinary Science and Business were not an option for Wick.
As for the hearsay that "Cael went on a run around for weeks basically and emphasized Wick could very well be the difference in a national championship and nobody helped him." if true, I would lose some respect for Sanderson.
Lastly, while I can not remember the player's name, the basketball team lost out on a player in a similar situation back when Dunn was the coach. I am sure that there have been others, including many non athletes.
All this proves is that (1) Wick was willing to change his major and (2) he was not important enough to PSU.
The stated rules are window dressing. In reality, he would be at PSU today if his father were Senator Wick, or were oil-rich Sheik Al-Wick promising a large donation
1) Possibly because CalPoly's Psych department would not accept him either?
2) So your hypotheticals prove your point? Hell, you should be a senator.
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Say what you want but our academic experiences with PSU years ago proved PSU is ALL about money and forcing more classes…Wick is the norm not an anomaly.
Let’s keep it at one. Those “let’s play school” PSU professors had better not get in Suriano’s way, unless they want us to put WildTurk on a hunger strike.
You clearly do not understand the process. Without the approval of the faculty in his degree program's department (or, in the case of an interdisciplinary studies degree, the faculty committee providing academic oversight), there is no path to receiving the course equivalencies. Full stop. Nobody on (or off) the campus can overrule the faculty on the transfer equivalency question. I can appreciate your cynicism for many things related to large research universities. But you are mistaken here.
Maybe someday there will be a transfer student into my department who is important enough that I'll get such an offer! If they offered me a better parking space...That sounds good to a chess player. But poker players have other ways of thinking.
Let’s keep it at one. Those “let’s play school” PSU professors had better not get in Suriano’s way, unless they want us to put WildTurk on a hunger strike.
I have a sneaky suspicion that credit transfers are not a concern to Suriano...
You may be right, but if you go to the trouble of getting into grad school, I'd at least think of completing the program. What was his undegrad degree in?
In fan fiction, he would be at PSU today if he were John Wick …
As a PSU library employee, John Wick is a hard pass.
Love Cael.......but I don't believe he gets over things easily. Ask Cornell when Kolb was there
You clearly do not understand the relationship between faculty and elite athletics at many/most Universities
Don’t confuse Cal Poly for Cal Tech. Cal Tech is the selective school. Cal Poly much easier to get in and is less rigorous.
You hear that?
that's the sound of Cael playing chess why everyone else plays checkers.
it's like, my favorite jam.
that's the sound of Cael playing chess why everyone else plays checkers.
it's like, my favorite jam.
This whole thread of unverified information, and speculation about Cael possibly leaving, everyone getting worked up and and tons of comments about an unverified rumor is so unnecessary. Opinions are fine,(this one is obviously mine) Speculative rumors are a just waste of time. Fail to see the benefit of this rumor thread.
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You couldn't get into Cal Poly. Cal Tech is MIT level. If u don't get 1600, fo get a bout it.
When is his new damn book coming out? Been waiting since Sep 2020.“Don't forget this, too: Rumors aren't interested in the unsensational story; rumors don't care what's true.”
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Glad to see ya here JRod. Dont be afraid to tell Turk this place no longer exists. Lol
