So, WVU had their QB and tackle and one wideout
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Because they're relevant to determine division champs, conference champs and playoffs teams. The Rose Bowl has no meaning. Why did it matter who won between us and USC in 2016. We were both already left out of the games that mattered.
Division champs ? Who cares. Conference champs? Who cares. Rose bowl who cares? Really isn’t all of this about the second contract?? (Tic). And how many actually sign that contract.
Rose Bowl? Who really cares is correct. Everything else is a goal.
And, yes, for those going to the NFL the second contract is what it is all about and you need to get to that as soon as possible which is why Sanders needs to enter the draft.
Don't worry, in the not too distance future people will look back and realize how meaningless bowl games were and that they should have ceased to exist decades ago.
Um, no. He just wants to play the easy games where he can look good, and the risk is lower. That was fairly clear on the face of the example. You can duck the problem that causes for your argument, but it does not answer the question.
Because that ridiculous example would actually impact someone's draft status as opposed to sitting out a meaningless exhibition once your season has been completed and your semester has been completed. These guys aren't; sitting out bowl games because of fear of competition. They're sitting out because they're not risking an injury for an exhibition game that doesn't matter. There is no flaw in the argument.
No 2 loss teams in the playoff, so once you lose two, no need to play the remainder, right?
Or are you saying I have a duty to the league to play it out so we know the champion is worthy? In that case my duty to the conference is greater than my duty to my team as a whole. Got it.
I've gone over this repeatedly. There's other goals such as winning a division or a conference plus you can impact those tow things so NO there can still be meaning in games. Few games (like Penn State-Maryland) have no meaning.
The scholarship is for the semester. Play out the semester. The bowl is after that. There's no obligation at all. If we could just get rid of the bowls that would be awesome.
Expand the playoff to 24 teams and almost every game has meaning as teams fight for seeding and playoff spots. See Cleveland and Cincinnati playing hard today because they had a chance to ruin the season for Pittsburgh and Baltimore.
Before the season begins?
I am not necessarily disagreeing with you. Just thinking about it makes it less black and white for me.
Why should a player on Rutgers care about impacting another team’s conference or playoff chances? Their season is essentially over two games into the conference schedule.
That is a novel concept for 2020....that thinking critically about things might make things clearer and less black and white at the same time.
Like the idea that Rutgers has no reason to play after the first few games. Like the idea that some of the most heroic players of our recent past, who played their asses off despite having had their season declared over by empty suits before it began, were engaged in a meaningless exercise.
Most regular season games for most teams are meaningless come mid-October, if not earlier.
Cleveland didn’t give a sh!t about ruining Baltimore or Pittsburgh’s season...they played hard because they wanted to win and finish with a winning season. It wouldn’t have mattered if they played Baltimore, Arizona, New England, or anyone else. This is where your whole argument unravels...players play to win every game they compete in, not just the ones that you think matter. Why did the Giants play hard? They had nothing to win for.
Integrity of the game? Really?? Is this 1936? Bowl games are about $. That’s it. The $ that the school’s fans spend when they travel to a certain game. The $ that ESPN pays to televise these EXHIBITIONS. That’s it, nothing more.
So you dont think his teammates OR his coaches ought to do anything but accommodate his desire to only play the safe games, and you cant imagine a scenario where coaches OR his teammates say, "Hey, MF, you ain't doing us like that. Get out." Ok.
Grier did not sit out the bowl game for fear of getting hurt. He sat out the game to spend time working on the areas he needed to work on to improve his draft status. He wasn’t going to be able to improve in those areas running Dana’s offense. He wants to improve and move up the draft board, which makes perfect sense.
Exactly. He is basically learning how to play in a pro style offense and another month in Dana's offense isn't helping that cause. This is the BIGGEST job interview of this young mans life and he isn't supposed to look out for his wife and young child because grumpy old men fear change. Damn kids today...no loyalty....except this one is loyal to himself and his family. I'll always tip my cap to the kids that decide to play, but how anyone could be upset with a young man looking out for his future is beyond me.
LOL. Now that’s funny. If he was really worried about his game then why go to WVU in the first place? He knew their offense, why go if your goal is the NFL?
Why'd you go to Rutgers? They knew what they signed up for.
And, no, even two games into the conference schedule they're still alive.
Why did Cleveland and Cincy players care yesterday? Because ruining a season for someone is an accomplishment. Ask Purdue.
Now that’s funny. I’m quite sure he didn’t know three years ago that they would be in a bottom tier bowl playing Syracuse. I’m also quite sure he didn’t know back then that he would be one of the top QB’s in the draft. He also didn’t originally pick WVU, so there’s that.
OK, three games into conference play the season is over.
Look, your opinions are as valid as anybody else’s. Your problem is approaching this (all?) conversation as if your opinion is the only one with validity.
The bottom line is the NFL will not see him skipping the bowl as a bad thing. They will actually see it as a positive because he is working to get better to play in that league. The Senior bowl has several scouts and coaches from every single team in the league on hand for an entire week evaluating the kids in person....but that sh!t SU..WVa bowl game was the real spot where it mattered said nobody ever. Nobody believes that unless they are complete morons....and I'm serious about that. If you think that bowl game was a bigger notch in his resume than the week in Mobile...then they are simply uninformed.
Whether or not old men can deal with it as it changes the game to them as fans is meaningless. The most idiotic posts are those stating that they wouldn't draft a kid who skipped a bowl game....it's a crock of sh!t because they aren't in that spot nor would they be if they can't make sound business decisions which this is. Just like Clowney, Fournette, and McCafferty...it doesn't even make the NFL blink. Pro coaches want guys that bust their arse to improve their stock and actually learn the game.
you right, he choose to go there, he knew their offense and what it was about, and still he went.
Maybe the colleges should meet highly-projected players half way and pay for career ending injury insurance.
and that's the rub, does he have Clowney, Fournette or Mc Cafferty's ability?? We shall see.
Lots of times opinions have validity that don't agree with mine but the second someone can't admit the bowl games are meaningless validity is out the window. If you really don't comprehend how a regular season game during the semester is far different than an exhibition game designed as a reward following the semester then I can't help you. No one can.
The insurance doesn't cover the loss because it doesn't factor in future contracts. We should just eliminate the bowls but there's too much money involved.
regular season? Bowl game? Really what's the difference? Its all in your value system.
OTOH from someone in the NFL.....
Added another personnel director after the draft: “I think you will see more top players do it due to the minimal effect it had on their draft stock. If a player’s team isn’t playing for a national title, why risk your future earnings? The NCAA isn’t paying them.”
But he added: “If you are not a top pick, your ass better play in the [bowl] game.”
future contracts?? Who in the NFL is guaranteed a future contract?? JaMarcus Russell wants to know.
That isn't the rub here and if you think it is...I'm not surprised by it. He ran a fun and gun 4/5 WR spread offense out of the gun for 3 years. He has a ton of things to work on between now and the Senior bowl so he can show other aspects of his game to the entire league who will be there first hand. Him prepping for the Senior Bowl/combine or sleep walking through the WVa bowl game running the same offense he has for 3 years offers him nothing in terms of getting ready for the draft.
This is a young guy who is married, has a kid, and is trying to inch his way up the QB board by doing extra homework ahead of the biggest interview of his life. Every team has people on hand the whole entire week in Mobile scouting and breaking these guys down. Bottom line is he did this for himself and his family. The NFL won't mind at all he missed the sh!tty bowl, but some old arse men angry these kids are actually thinking about their futures because they didn't have enough talent to be in his shoes.
again i have to ask, if he has all of this to work on, why go to WVU in the first place, if you goal is to be an NFL QB?
and again from the NFL scout...
But he added: “If you are not a top pick, your ass better play in the [bowl] game.”
It isn't a value system. It's reality.
We'll see if it ever impacts a kid from sitting out. No NFL team is going to pass on a player they believe makes them better because they skipped a bowl game.
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