Right, it isn't guaranteed which is why you need to give yourself the best chance to earn that second contract because that's where the money is. Jake Butt failed to protect him. He made a mistake as many other kids are doing by taking the chance of playing in the bowl game. Saquon took an unnecessary risk last year. I'm just thrilled it worked out for him.
So, WVU had their QB and tackle and one wideout
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Right, it isn't guaranteed which is why you need to give yourself the best chance to earn that second contract because that's where the money is. Jake Butt failed to protect him. He made a mistake as many other kids are doing by taking the chance of playing in the bowl game. Saquon took an unnecessary risk last year. I'm just thrilled it worked out for him.
the reality is, its your value system that ranks regular season games over bowl game, it just is.
now on the other hand , there is this.....
Prior to the start of the draft on Thursday, Stanford coach David Shaw sat at a table in a hotel lobby and unintentionally offered a counter-argument to the trend. A woman approached Shaw, who immediately got up and locked in a long embrace. He returned to the interview with a big smile on his face: “Solomon Thomas’s mom.” Thomas ended up as the No. 3 pick in the draft in part because of his performance in the Sun Bowl game McCaffrey made famous by skipping. Thomas made the game-winning sack and finished with seven tackles and two tackles for loss. Shaw’s phone lit up after the game from scouts saying how impressed they were with Thomas, who wasn’t a certainty to be picked in the first round before the game. “That bowl game becomes of paramount importance,” Shaw said. “That’s what you saw from Solomon. You saw fresh, explosive—it was a great time to evaluate him.”
Jake Butt? Really? He received $500,000+ from insurance, and then signed a $2.7 mil contract with Denver, on which he collected (he went on IR which means they paid him)
He was injured again, nothing to do with a bowl game....
2017[edit]
The Denver Broncos selected Butt in the fifth round (145th overall) of the 2017 NFL Draft. Butt was the eighth tight end drafted in 2017.[27] Butt reportedly received a $543,000 payout due to a loss of value insurance claim[clarification needed] he received[according to whom?] due to his ACL injury.[28]
On May 11, 2017, the Denver Broncos signed Butt to a four-year, $2.70 million contract that included a signing bonus of $300,938.[29]
He was placed on the reserve/non-football injury list on September 2, 2017 due to the torn ACL suffered his senior year.[30] On November 6, 2017, the Denver Broncos placed Butt on injured reserve for the remainder of the 2017 NFL season.[31]
2018[edit]
Butt recovered in time to participate physically in training camp in 2018. During training camp, he competed to be the starting tight end against Jeff Heuerman, Matt LaCosse, and Troy Fumagalli.[32] Head coach Vance Joseph named Butt the secondary starting tight end to start the regular season, behind primary starting tight end Jeff Heuerman.[33]
He made his professional regular season debut and first career start in the Denver Broncos' season-opener against the Seattle Seahawks and caught two passes for 29-yards in their 27–24 victory.[34] On September 27, 2018, Butt sustained a torn ACL during a non contact drill during practice, which sidelined him for the remainder of the season.[35][36]
It has nothing to do with a value system. It's fact based. Bowl games are exhibitions/rewards are an adequate season.
I'm sorry. Anyone that believe the Niners didn't jump Thomas to the top 3 because of his combine instead of the Sun Bowl is delusional. Any scout that didn't see that in the previous 12 games were never going to see that from him.
If you want to say players can use the bowl game as a "showcase for scouts" that's fine but it still doesn't make the outcome of the game meaningful.
Seriously, you believe that a single game took Thomas from a guy that wasn't going in the first round to #3 overall? Seriously?
We've gone over all this and he lost more than 540+k because of his fall in the draft. And that's not even factoring in the impact it had on him getting a second contract.
I didnt say that , his coach and scouts said that.
Grant Haley had a great combine, what round was he drafted in?
and the insurance paid what he lost...second contract? he isnt guaranteed that, he blew out his good knee....damaged goods, next man up...
This marks the second such injury for Butt, who missed his rookie season in 2017 while recovering from an ACL tear to his right knee suffered in the Orange Bowl during his senior season at the University of Michigan. Palmer reported the current injury is to Butt's left knee.
It seems to me that WVa has put him in a great position to get into the league...because he in fact will get drafted. He is trying to improve his game even more to raise up the draft even higher. There isn't a scout around that is going to hold this over Greir's head as they get it. You can keep asking dumb questions because that is what dumb people do, but maybe you should try and think before you ask them multiple times...because it looks foolish over and over again. He went to UF first and then transferred into WVa where he had a great career playing in an explosive offense....doesn't look like he made the wrong decision there. Now he is prepping for a job interview....like any smart kid would do.
Shaw's phone saying they were impressed with him doesn't mean they weren't already impressed with him
Haley is under 5'10" and 200 pounds which is why he wasn't drafted. And those that passed on him made a mistake as he clearly can contribute. Don't fool yourself the most important thing at his combine was 5'9 1/4"
The insurance "estimates" what he lost. It doesn't pay it. He lost more than that. The fact you don't comprehend how the injury impacts potential future earnings and contracts is more the dumbfounding.
I would rather use what the insurance estimates, than what your estimate, and the fact that you cant see no one is guaranteed a future contract is dumbfounding. Lots of guys out there playing with his injury.
if WV has put him in such a great position to get drafted, then why did he leave to get ready for the draft? You make no sense, in fact your thinking is dumb.
Another guy who has no clue about team concept, just WIIFM.
How many NFL teams are running Dana's offense sluggo? How many? Damn straight he is thinking about himself and his child and his wife. Good for him, he used the system like the system uses the kids. Whether you like it or not college football is a semi-pro league for the NFL and it's a BIG business. The simple fact you think anyone will hold this over his head is a joke. The only thing that will matter is how he performs in his workouts, the combine, and in Mobile. Sorry it's not 1960 anymore Beaver...James Frankling didn't promise a starting position for Palmer either....things have changed.
LOL, I don't make things up like you do. I didn't make the claim with no evidence at all, you did. You cannot back up the claim, never did back up the claim, nor can anyone else since you simply made it up. Sorry Greir looking out for his family and career bothers a few of you so much....but you won't stop this trend and it's not going to get any better under the current setup.
But these guys are going to play in the Senior Bowl and some other All-Star games.
The minute I would have heard that a player was thinking of skipping a game (bowl or otherwise) so that he would not get hurt, his locker would be cleaned out and handed to him in a cardboard box along with the message get out of here.
Yep you sure did, hopefully you realize how wrong it was and that Franklin does actually have some integrity...or Brenon Thrift was robbed.
Show me where you think I said that the future contracts are guaranteed? I haven't.
You simply don't like that players figured out these bowl games are a waste of their time so you're refusing to acknowledge the obvious.
you keep bringing up the integrity thingy, the only way CJF loses integrity if he promised him to start and if he didnt start him. Happens everyday. JUCO kids are all WIIFM, someday you will learn that. So what was the WIIFM for PP?Yep you sure did, hopefully you realize how wrong it was and that Franklin does actually have some integrity...or Brenon Thrift was robbed.
Why would any other recruit ever agree to play for him if he's promising someone else a starting job? If he promised Stevens the starting job he mislead everyone else unless he specifically told them Stevens was starting in 2019.
Franklin never made any such promise, sluggo made it up for some unknown reason. I think because at the time he wasn't sure about Franklin, but it was completely made up. I have no idea what type of people simply make things up and try to post them as even semi-factual, but some people apparently feel the need to. This thread is a joke anyway. The NFL isn't going to punish Greir for working to get better or improve his draft stock. Basically some folks are butt hurt the kids figured out it's a business before they did and it spoiled their little version of Camelot.
actually per unusual you are wrong. The topic at hand at the time, was why PP was still starting when he clearly wasnt getting the job done. And I offered an opinion as to why I thought that was the case. I thought there was a 2 prong thing going on, CJF wanted to make an in road into JC recruiting (and as to why he wants in that cesspool is beyond on me), plus he thought he needed help on the OL. So he goes to his old buddy Mark Duda, who CJF played for (or just missed playing for ) at East Stroud. Tells Mark what he needs, and Mark asks about the WIIFM for him and his program (PP was committed to USC at the time) . Mark needs kids to come to his JC, and the thing Duda has to sell, is how many players sign at D1 big time programs. So now CJF gives Duda something he can sell (PP going to PSU), CJF knew what he had on the OL so it wasnt like it was a big stretch to tell PP what PP wanted to hear, CJF gets a kid everyone will read about his size, AA JUCO etc and everybody is happy.
Now answer me one question, has JUCO recruiting gone better for PSU since PP ( I mean if you really want to go down the JUCO road)? I would have to say it has, perhaps you disagree. And why has it gone better? Because Duda knows he can tell his kids( or other JUCO's that reach out to Duda) that CLF will do exactly whatever it is he tells a kid.
if and when “players” become paid employees, then maybe their compensation will require them to participate in certain events ...... like bowl games (kinda’ like coaches have to participate in PCs).
Until then, who the F has any right to expect any damn thing...... wrt when a kid decides he is done playing “student-athlete”?
Some Natty-Lite Pounding fans? LOL
No one - obviously
Any damn thing like “You’ve got a right to pursue your education - first and foremost - and a spot on the squad while you do”.
I don't know normie. There are a whole lot of kids graduating with $100,000+ of debt who disagree that scholarship athletes get precious little or don't have some obligation.
LOL, we had basically no OT's when PP came here and he had the build of a WR....so yeah...they played him just because. LOL You still want to shovel this BS as fact and the fact is you make things up. That isn't an opinion....you have zero proof that any such thing was said...you made it up. You can go in circles all you want to, but there is no proof of anything other then you made this up.
These athletes are begged to come to the school and have it paid for, not vice versa. The BTN now gets each school 25 million a year, then add in bowl revenues and NCAA merchandise....stadium sales....that is some good coin coming into some big programs. Life isn't fair to the ordinary student, but they aren't 6-6 300 pounds and knocking people over on Saturdays who are just as big. The professors aren't getting 4.5 million a year either....so while people can complain about it all they want to, it's a big time business and recently the athletes are starting to treat it as such. The schools do, the NCAA does, and the NFL has it's free semi-pro league. Yet these kids buck the system that they make millions for and people want to freak out over it....ones that are moving on the league anyway?
Someone told me yesterday that Jennings, the wideout who skipped the bowl along with Grier, said on Twitter, "we wouldn't have skipped if Grier had played."
No idea if that is true, or if he even said it, but in light of this thread it sure would be funny to know.
We'll thats not exactly true. Most athletes are hoping for an offer from their top choice or ANY school, frankly.
Look, I'm not saying that colleges don't make a fortune on football, and more than the athletes get if we keep score, but many scholarship athletes don't provide an ROI for the university and saying that players get nothing is just wrong. An all-expenses paid degree is worth a million dollars in addl lifetime salary according to the academics.
If the structure changes a bit, I'm fine with it, but I don't have a lot of sympathy for kids getting a degree with no financial outlay. For every Blue chipper that produces, there's a Paul Jones and a Rob Bolden that do not.
Much like a pro league strike where billionaires are fighting with millionaires,
I don't lose much sleep over schools getting $25M or players getting $100k in direct payment and $1M in indirect benefit whether they ever play a down or not.
And they pay for all the other sports teams, that's a big drain because we have a lot of them. What's it cost for us to fly around our womens lacross team?
It's a win win for everyone, but really the NFL, NCAA, and the schools benefit the most. Yes the kids get a shot at a free degree and to play in a semi-pro league, but we cannot call it that as it sounds bad. The NFL gets farm system for free. The school gets millions and the NCAA is a billion dollar a year industry (take home is around $180 million IIRC), but people want to get upset by less than 1% skipping bowl games that aren't playoffs? Really? I'll just leave it at that as this is pretty fake rage IMO by some here (not you) and there will probably come a time where a PSU guy opts out...I'll feel the same way. It's their life choice for their career....not everyone is going to be correct. They earned those ships and the schools did beg them to come and play. Look at the last 2 classes and who recruited these kids, they could have gone pretty much anywhere they wanted to or had a choice of 20+ schools.
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