Having the same 4 to 6 teams in the playoffs, for a league with 130 teams, diminishes the regular season more than a 32 team playoff would. Every season starts with 90% of teams having zero shot at getting in the playoffs. Conference champ games are just another opportunity for a team to be eliminated from the playoffs. Eliminate the conference champ games and just make it a 16 team playoff.
Who else has completely lost interest in college football for the rest of this season?
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Having the same 4 to 6 teams in the playoffs, for a league with 130 teams, diminishes the regular season more than a 32 team playoff would. Every season starts with 90% of teams having zero shot at getting in the playoffs. Conference champ games are just another opportunity for a team to be eliminated from the playoffs. Eliminate the conference champ games and just make it a 16 team playoff.
How about someone investigate why Bama, Clemson and OSU are so good in a time of parity for everyone else. I mean a real live investigation. If they find nothing, great, but at least try.
The NCAA doesn't care that their boosters are buying recruits and paying top draft-eligible guys to return. But they should. These teams are taking advantage of the NCAA having no spine to a point where it is going to kill the golden goose. When people stop caring, stop watching, and don't show up because it is exactly the same teams every year +1 then the system falls apart. We are just about there.
No need to add a conference. Just the criteria. Champions are in, all of them. 8 team playoff. It will take a while to unwind all the damage done by voting teams in via eye test, but eventually we will start seeing other teams in. Until then.....it’s just going to be same old same old.
That’s why they should add a conferences that eliminates the eye test immediately.
The conferences are too big anyway. Here's the solution. There are 65 P5 teams and 65 non-P5 teams. You create 8 regional pods with 8 P5 and 8 non-P5 teams.
Regular season:
Each P5 team plays all 7 P5 in their pod (3 or 4 home games per year, alternating years), 3 home non-P5 in their pod, and 2 P5 from another pod (one home and one away ).
Each non-P5 team plays all 7 P5 in their pod (3 or 4 home games per year, alternating years), 3 away P5 in their pod, and 2 non-P5 from another pod (one home and one away ).
This gives each P5 team exactly 9 P5 games (some years 5 home, next year 4 home) each season and guarantees every team to play the same number of P5 teams. It allows for 2 games outside of the region which helps to gauge the strength of the regional pods and also allows for a traditional rivalry game that may be outside of the pod to occur.
This also allows for each P5 in the pod to play 3 non-P5 in the pod which gives these teams a chance every year to prove themselves with the big boys and simultaneously serve as the early season ramp up games for the P5 teams. It also gives the P5 teams 7 or 8 home games per season.
Then let the top pod P5 play the top pod non-P5 to earn their spot in the playoff during the 1st Saturday of December.
Playoff: 8 regional pod champions earn spots and their rankings determine their matchups after a bye week.
Round 1: 8 @ 1, 7 @ 2, 6 @3, 5 @ 4 during the 3rd Saturday of December. Bonus, another home game with home revenue for the top 4 seeds. It would be fun to see some southern schools actually have to play in the north this time of year as well. Then they get a bye week over Christmas.
Round 2: (1st Saturday of January) 8/1 winner hosts 5/4 winner at bowl location. 7/2 winner hosts 6/3 winner at bowl location. Bye week follows for winners.
National Championship: 3rd Saturday of January.
Bowl games: All not qualifying for round 2 of the playoffs are seeded by their closest AP ranking partner (i.e. 5 verses 6, 7 verses 8, 9 verses 10, etc.).
I am going to mark your post and follow up with you in 300 years.
I’m guessing recognizing a sixth conference and only taking conference champions would be a lot easier.
Although we're in our 6th year (or so) of a college football playoff, we expanded to a record number of bowl games last year 40.
Sure occasionally a 6-2 Northwestern will beat a 8-0 OSU but so what. It will not happen that often and it will make OSU take the conference championship game more seriously. Also is not the idea to allow new names in the mix? Also I like the two best teams playing for the conference championship based only on conference records.
You basically described me.
ND getting clowned by 24 the day before being selected to the playoffs is insulting to anyone with an IQ over room temperature.
What was the argument? That TA&M's loss by 28 to Alabama three months ago is worse than ND's loss the day before? That TA&M's resume is not very good? What about Clemson's last year where they didn't beat a single ranked team?
Same kind of bullshit that kept our guys out in 2016 - the Michigan loss was "uncompetitive" without any consideration for the state of the team in that game nor the improvement over the two months after that loss. The committee says teams improvement will be considered but it clearly isn't.
ND getting clowned by 24 the day before being selected to the playoffs is insulting to anyone with an IQ over room temperature.
What was the argument? That TA&M's loss by 28 to Alabama three months ago is worse than ND's loss the day before? That TA&M's resume is not very good? What about Clemson's last year where they didn't beat a single ranked team?
Same kind of bullshit that kept our guys out in 2016 - the Michigan loss was "uncompetitive" without any consideration for the state of the team in that game nor the improvement over the two months after that loss. The committee says teams improvement will be considered but it clearly isn't.
Can you imagine this board if an 12-0 Penn State would lose the B10 championship game by one point to a 7-5 team from the west? Especially if its controversial.
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I love good college football ..... no matter who the teams are.
That is one of the reasons there is not an 8 or 12 game playoff. The committee wouldn't be able to use the eye test (TV ratings assessment) as often and thus would have less power. If it was up to the committee the following teams would be in every year. Alabama, OSU or Michigan, Texas or Oklahoma and USC or Notre Dame. Best for ratings. Certainly no Clemson
This is what i can't understand. The same posters who say most of the minor bowls should be discontinued are the same ones who are up in arms because Penn State turned one down.
I've never watched a college football playoff game. Seriously. I think its because I'm fairly confident its a collection of semi-professional athletes. I prefer the NFL at this time of the year -- best athletes in the world trying to get into the playoffs. No charade. If Penn State were fortunate enough to get in to the playoffs I would watch just to see if they could pull off the upset(s) but other than that I've never been interested. I have UNC's Orange Bowl coming up so I'll watch that and the Wake game.
8 teams seems silly to me. Just adds in more subjectivity and favoritism. There are typically only a handful of teams that are left out of the playoff that can make a legitimate argument to be in. Increase it to 8 and there will be countless teams thinking they deserve to be in.
5 conference champions seeded, top 3 seeds get a bye, 4/5 seeds play. Simple (other than the seeding) and clear.
The conference championships essentially become the first round of the playoffs. Win and advance. Simple.
Same here. It's my sickness, and I'm okay with that.
I love college basketball. I enjoy the NFL. I grew up on MLB, and will still watch it periodically.
But CFB is my release from the stress of real life, if even for one day a week during the fall. No other sport matches the traditions, the atmosphere, the rivalries.......and the meaning that each individual game has. Love it.
There are a hell of a lot of flaws, but even despite them, I'm always game for college football. I do hope, however, that we see more parity in the years to come. I really do think the Bama/Clemson/OSU fatigue is driving interest away, and it's not good for the sport.
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You realize this completely and permanently screws the G5 teams, not that they get a look anyway. And it also would pretty much maintain status quo of Nana, OSU, , just adding another team.
Hell, I've had North Texas vs App State on in the background while I work today. Makes the day a bit more festive.
Tulane v Nevada and BYU v UCF should be fun tomorrow!
You mean just like the pro leagues? If Washington wins their division, they will have a shot at winning the Superbowl as do wildcards who often have 9-7 or 10-6 records.
The G5 teams shouldn’t be involved to begin with. Separate them out. It’s silly to make believe they are equal.
Not very interested. As you indicated, seems like same 2 - 5 teams every year and the committee continues to completely disregard the G5 teams. Long past time to expand the playoffs to eight teams with one slot going to a G5 team.
I would love an expanded playoff but it will not make a difference. If Bama had to play Iowa then Iowa State or Cincy prior to a semi matchup do you really think they would be challenged?
The issue is that Bama, Clemson and O$U get the best players so they keep on winning hence the rinse and repeat every year. Until teams figure out how to beat them nothing is changing
The talent these guys get is ridiculous. I was thinking about the Bama QB, Matt Jones and the fact that he is a Heisman contender. Is he really that good or simply a benefactor of the ridiculous talent around him, best RB, best WR and best or close to best OL in the country. Saban probably tells him....on a running play just get the snap cleanly and hand it off to Naji Harris who will then out run and out power every other player due to his freakish athleticism. When we call a pass you will have ten seconds in a clean pocket to find a wide open receiver who is faster than any other player on the field and will easily find the end zone. So easy does it on the throw and just throw the ball remotely close to him and he will reel it in. Does the guy actually have to do anything?
The issue is that Bama, Clemson and O$U get the best players so they keep on winning hence the rinse and repeat every year. Until teams figure out how to beat them nothing is changing
The talent these guys get is ridiculous. I was thinking about the Bama QB, Matt Jones and the fact that he is a Heisman contender. Is he really that good or simply a benefactor of the ridiculous talent around him, best RB, best WR and best or close to best OL in the country. Saban probably tells him....on a running play just get the snap cleanly and hand it off to Naji Harris who will then out run and out power every other player due to his freakish athleticism. When we call a pass you will have ten seconds in a clean pocket to find a wide open receiver who is faster than any other player on the field and will easily find the end zone. So easy does it on the throw and just throw the ball remotely close to him and he will reel it in. Does the guy actually have to do anything?
Simply speaking, if you have 10 days before your next game and decline, I'm questioning the decision. No, I'm questioning the decision by football players to say nahhhh, i wanna go home and play video games. OTOH, to play in the stinkypoopy bowl 4-5 weeks from now is stupid.
I'm still waiting to hear how the psu non-seniors would have voted... my guess is they couldn't wait to play and even the year at 5-5. What the outgoing class wanted has no meaning.. let them opt out and be gone.
Going forward, I agree with you. Team looking to play in stupid locations against awful teams in front of virtually no one will say uhn uh. That will be good for the game as these bowls need to be forever gone. Let the kids go home.
Of course, the B1G will declare some idiot rule to force teams to accept the interplentary galactic tire bowl (to be played in afghanistan with al gore flipping the coin)... in which case i will back every nfl eligible player to boogity as fast and hard away from this lunacy as they are able.
I’ll watch the playoffs as I enjoy seeing Notre Dame and Ohio State get beat downs. Aside from those two games, I’m not interested in watching any more college football.
Those teams keep getting the best players because they're perpetual winners. Expanding the playoffs gives more teams chances to get in and perhaps win a game or two. If that happens, some of the top talent should start to spread out.
There are way too many of those 3rd tier bowls. Those should be reserved for teams who actually accomplish something. If a team went 0-11 or 1-10 last year, and managed to win 5 or 6 games this year, they deserve a bowl. Otherwise these bowls are mostly rewarding mediocrity.
Totally agree with you... but I'd take it just to get the kids some reps and prepare for 2021.
That said, if this were November and we would be playing 4 weeks away, I'd say no dice. But 7-10 days? Yup.
Last I checked, I'm still not in charge.
Gonna fix that! lol
