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Who else has completely lost interest in college football for the rest of this season?

"I'm one who agrees with an 8-team "playoff". I'm not sure I agree that the Conference winner should get an automatic bid, (what if 8-4 Northwestern upsets 12-0 and 2nd ranked Penn State in Indy next December?!)"

So, in other words, make the results of the games completely meaningless?
Is this a serious question? What about the results of the 4 ( that is 4 times as many games) games that the theoretical 8-4 team lost. You subjectively decide which single game is important and ignore results of many games.
In fact, why even play any of the regular season games at all. Simply take a vote at the beginning of the year to determine the "best" 4 teams and start the playoffs right away. Sheesh.
With comments like 8-4 deserves to be treated equally to undefeated or one loss teams, I agree about why have a regular season if actual results are meaningless.
 
Sure occasionally a 6-2 Northwestern will beat a 8-0 OSU but so what. It will not happen that often and it will make OSU take the conference championship game more seriously. Also is not the idea to allow new names in the mix?
No, the idea was to determine the most successful/best team in cfb by eliminating possibilities like 2004 with 3 major conference champs with perfect records (and toss in Utah), or the years where there were questions over who was #2 and #3 before the bowls.

An unfortunate byproduct has been the ability of a small number of teams to capitalize on an opportunity. This crazy year notwithstanding, inviting additional unsuccessful teams to participate in an attempt to spread the wealth isn’t a “righteous” thing in determining the top team in cfb.

Let’s eliminate OT that not only is played by different rules than the rest of the game, but it allows a team that wasn’t good enough to win a game, to get full equal credit for an OT win as a regulation win. ND at 9-1-1 would be less successful than they appear now.
 
Is this a serious question? What about the results of the 4 ( that is 4 times as many games) games that the theoretical 8-4 team lost. You subjectively decide which single game is important and ignore results of many games.

With comments like 8-4 deserves to be treated equally to undefeated or one loss teams, I agree about why have a regular season if actual results are meaningless.
The rest of the season would not be meaningless because you still have to win your division to get into the championship game.
 
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How about someone investigate why Bama, Clemson and OSU are so good in a time of parity for everyone else. I mean a real live investigation. If they find nothing, great, but at least try.
At least the NFL makes an attempt at parity for the league by giving the worst teams first choice in the draft. College football is just the rich getting richer.
 
You basically described me.

ND getting clowned by 24 the day before being selected to the playoffs is insulting to anyone with an IQ over room temperature.

What was the argument? That TA&M's loss by 28 to Alabama three months ago is worse than ND's loss the day before? That TA&M's resume is not very good? What about Clemson's last year where they didn't beat a single ranked team?

Same kind of bullshit that kept our guys out in 2016 - the Michigan loss was "uncompetitive" without any consideration for the state of the team in that game nor the improvement over the two months after that loss. The committee says teams improvement will be considered but it clearly isn't.

I'd rather they don't have conference champ games. Determine the conference winner based on the regular season. If there are co-champs, so be it. The 5 major conferences get two auto bids to the playoffs. 6 more at large teams round out the 16 team playoff. No conference gets more than 3 teams in the playoffs. Seed the teams and let the festivities begin.

2016 would have looked something like this for the first week of playoffs

Alabama vs Navy
OSU vs Western Michigan
Clemson vs Florida
Washington Vs Auburn
Michigan vs Colorado
Penn St vs FSU
Oklahoma St vs USC
Oklahoma vs Louisville
 
Yep. It is a vicious cycle right now where the rich get richer and seem to pull even more ahead. If it was to go to 8 teams, there could be upsets and perhaps a few other schools could reap the rewards a bit. Right now at least three schools (Bama, Clemson, OSU) get in and increase the gap.

And I also hate ND.

So that is a long way of saying, yes, not interested in rest of season.
 
Is this a serious question? What about the results of the 4 ( that is 4 times as many games) games that the theoretical 8-4 team lost. You subjectively decide which single game is important and ignore results of many games.

With comments like 8-4 deserves to be treated equally to undefeated or one loss teams, I agree about why have a regular season if actual results are meaningless.
When the NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA have their playoffs, do the teams that win those series advance, or do they ignore those playoff games and take the teams that had the best regular season records, instead?
 
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Four years and no redshirt. Every scholarship counts for all four years even if they go pro early (obviously career ending injuries don’t count). I would also like to see this rule apply to college basketball....that way coaches couldn’t stock pile one and done players or they’d have no scholarships left.
 
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The rest of the season would not be meaningless because you still have to win your division to get into the championship game.
National championship means all games in the nation should count, not just regional ones.

I have question for you since I know we will never agree. Do you want to see the most successful team become champion?
 
National championship means all games in the nation should count, not just regional ones.

I have question for you since I know we will never agree. Do you want to see the most successful team become champion?
I want to see the team that wins based on a measurable set of criteria, I don’t care if it’s the “best” team according to the eye test or what Kirk tells me. The “best” team almost never wins the basketball tournament, does that devalue their national championship trophy? Step #1, win your conference. Step #2, win however many games needed to get into the championship game. Step #3, win the championship game. I don’t see anything in that list where it says “win over a group of biased people to get them to allow you into the playoffs”.
 
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When the NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA have their playoffs, do the teams that win those series advance, or do they ignore those playoff games and take the teams that had the best regular season records, instead?
Go watch those sports instead, don’t try and change cfb to be them.

Do you really think the intent of those sports’ championship formats are to crown the most successful team? They aren’t. They are trying to keep as many fan bases believing their team still has a chance to win so they can pull in as much money as possible.

Btw, notice that those sports determine standings based on all games played, not just division/conference games.
 
I want to see the team that wins based on a measurable set of criteria
Elimination by multiple failures on you own part is pretty measurable. Cross you fingers if you are only that good that the rest of cfb is as lacking as you.

The “best” team almost never wins the basketball tournament
Please don’t let cfb approach anything close to cbb.
 
The current CFP format is miles above the poll system of the past. It allows the 4 best teams to square off for the title. And, the've done a pretty good job (not perfect) since the beginning in choosing the right 4 teams. For the most part the games have been exciting to watch. I see no need to water it down by adding more teams.

Even if they expanded to 6/8/16 teams, there will still be fans of the teams on the edge that will bitch and moan about getting left out. Perhaps even more than now.
 
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Elimination by multiple failures on you own part is pretty measurable. Cross you fingers if you are only that good that the rest of cfb is as lacking as you.


Please don’t let cfb approach anything close to cbb.
This makes no sense whatsoever.
 
This makes no sense whatsoever.
I’ll give you specific examples since generalities were too complicated for you.

If you are OU this year, PSU in ‘16, or any other team that loses multiple times, don’t expect to receive the same benefits as a team that won all their games.

If you are LSU in ‘07, thank your lucky stars the rest of cfb is as lacking as you.
 
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I’ll give you specific examples since generalities were too complicated for you.

If you are OU this year, PSU in ‘16, or any other team that loses multiple times, don’t expect to receive the same benefits as a team that won all their games.

If you are LSU in ‘07, thank your lucky stars the rest of cfb is as lacking as you.
If you lose games but still win your conference, you should get in the playoffs. Pretty much like every sport in the world.
 
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The first step to changing it is to add a sixth conference then have the playoffs only for conference champs. That’s not always going to keep OSU and Bama out (it will never keep Clemson out since the ACC is so horrible) but there would have been at least one year where OSU didn’t make it and one year where Bama didn’t make it. That way teams can focus on winning their conference...a break here or there and they’re in. Overcoming the juggernaut in your conference and winning over the committee is too steep a hill to climb.

agree that overcoming the judgment of a committee is the biggest challenge

why not just use the best G5 team and the independents as the sixth team - yes there would be some judgment in that but at least the “win your conference” idea would remain intact
 
Steve Deace of the Michigan Podcast (hardly a friend of OSU) stated that Brandon Brown of the Wolverine Digest who covers recruiting stated that when the list of cheaters came up OSU was almost never brought up. See 9:33 of this
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Well that seems pretty definitive. Some guy has an opinion. That definitely trumps a couple of decades of Ohio St players actually being caught taking impermissible benefits since basically the days of Maurice Clarett right up to Chase Young's girlfriend being flown to your bowl game last year that was passed off as some sort of loan that the player somehow paid off immediately and therefore was immediately eligible.

There is no need to pretend that your team isn't buying players from TX, WA, CA, GA, FL, AZ like slaves at the auction for chump change to make hundreds of millions off of in your football program. No one is buying that schtick. We just want to know the number in front of the 5 zeroes for the going rate of a top 10 overall player. How much are you paying these days?
 
agree that overcoming the judgment of a committee is the biggest challenge

why not just use the best G5 team and the independents as the sixth team - yes there would be some judgment in that but at least the “win your conference” idea would remain intact
I’m fine with that especially if they could come up with some type of objective way to pick who is the best G5....maybe a play in game of some sort.
 
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I’m fine with that especially if they could come up with some type of objective way to pick who is the best G5....maybe a play in game of some sort.
There are 10 conferences and 10 conference champions. Seed the 10 teams as if it's a 16 team tournament where seeds 1 - 6 get a first round bye. This completely eliminates the "Eye Test". Further, Independents can not be part of the playoff. If they want to have the opportunity to be included they have to join a conference (see ND this year as part of the ACC).
 
There are 10 conferences and 10 conference champions. Seed the 10 teams as if it's a 16 team tournament where seeds 1 - 6 get a first round bye. This completely eliminates the "Eye Test". Further, Independents can not be part of the playoff. If they want to have the opportunity to be included they have to join a conference (see ND this year as part of the ACC).
Works for me...anything to get rid of the eye test.
 
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Agree.....
-No PSU
-Bowls are filled with anyone who wants to play. “Show me the money”. Some of the records are ridiculous.
-Not at all interested in the “Alabama/Clemson Invitational”


1) We declined a bowl invite so our season is in the books.

2) The playoff is so boring and stale like a rerun we have already seen half a dozen times (because we pretty much have seen this half a dozen times with almost no variation). Same teams. We've already seen Clemson embarrass Ohio St multiple times. We've already seen Alabama blowout Notre Dame and there isn't even a Notre Dame star with a made up girlfriend this time. And we are back to Alabama/Clemson part V- thousand.

3) With only a handful teams ever winning a playoff game, it seems that the "playoff" is not for anyone but those handful of programs. You have several undefeated teams that played just about a full season and they have no means whatsoever to play for a title. But we get the exact same handful of teams nearly every year that do. It has left the other 115 teams behind. Should the other 115 teams just leave the playoff behind? I mean, it has no impact on the anyone but the same handful of fanbases every year so what's the point? Why would it even matter to anyone else?

4) How does this change, ever? I mean we all know it should change because it is killing college football. But do you think Alabama, Clemson, and Ohio St will stop purchasing most of the top recruits? Do you think ND will stop scheduling in a way that they play almost no one and end up undefeated or 1 loss until the very end of the season and then have the media cover for them?

5) I'm done watching it. Zero interest. Snoozefest. I haven't watched the "playoff" games in a couple of years outside of I did watch the championship last year, only because LSU was a different name for once. But LSU was paying their guys on the field on camera so was it really any different? The same few teams buy the necessary talent. We have a season which apparently doesn't matter anymore. Then the same teams are "selected" by the same small group of power brokers. Then the same curbstompings happen to give us Alabama verses Clemson. Over and over and over and over.
 
If you lose games but still win your conference, you should get in the playoffs. Pretty much like every sport in the world.
One, cfb has the best season and I don’t want to see it become as unimportant as some other sports. I’m glad the decision makers don’t think as you.

btw, many sports in the world utilize the results of all the games a team plays to determine their standings.
I’m fine with that especially if they could come up with some type of objective way to pick who is the best G5....maybe a play in game of some sort.
Wait...how would you determine who would participate in the play in game? Would that qualify as your overused catchphrase of “eye test”?

You have no desire for fairness if you agree the top independent team MUST always be represented in the playoff.
 
One, cfb has the best season and I don’t want to see it become as unimportant as some other sports. I’m glad the decision makers don’t think as you.

btw, many sports in the world utilize the results of all the games a team plays to determine their standings.

Wait...how would you determine who would participate in the play in game? Would that qualify as your overused catchphrase of “eye test”?

You have no desire for fairness if you agree the top independent team MUST always be represented in the playoff.
When you only play 12 games and you have to win your conference, then there’s no way the season becomes unimportant. And how important is the season to teams nowadays once they lose their second game even if they’re undefeated or only have one loss in their conference?
The play in games could be a tournament among the G5 conference champs or include the G5 conference champs in the playoffs. I don’t care as long as it’s not some group of biased people making the decision over drinks and behind the scenes deals. Earning your way into the playoffs should trump people thinking you deserve to be there.
If you think what they have now is good for college football, then there’s really nothing I can say.
 
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You’re all crazy, why not make it a fair and honest auction? At the end of the season all the D1 schools start bidding on the four playoff spots. ESPN can keep a running tally board and individual fans can also add money to their teams totals. The four highest bidding schools are in, no eye tests and no conference nonsense. If you really want to be in the playoffs show me the money. Now tell me that’s any crazier than what’s going on at the present time.
 
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You’re all crazy, why not make it a fair and honest auction? At the end of the season all the D1 schools start bidding on the four playoff spots. ESPN can keep a running tally board and individual fans can also add money to their teams totals. The four highest bidding schools are in, no eye tests and no conference nonsense. Now tell me that’s any crazier than what’s going on at the present time.
And the same teams would still make it every year.
 
And the same teams would still make it every year.
Well they obviously want it more than anyone else, and that type of dedication should be rewarded. And are you really going to tell me that Harvard, Stanford, Texas or Texas AM can’t outbid Clemson or the others if they put all their money raising expertise into the cause? Hell they could bankrupt the whole state of Alabama if they were serious. Plus as I said no more whining eye tests, and conferences thinking their champion should be in just because they exist.
 
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