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Who would you hire to replace Chambers?

I would argue that with a more competitive team, attendance would be higher and ticket prices could be raised significantly, therefore generating way more revenue. Would it be enough to fund $3-4 million in a coach’s salary? From what we have seen in past years, weekend games against teams like OSU, and MSU are well attended at the BjC. With a top tier team, could we draw 14 or 15 thousand for a weeknight game against Nebraska? Could we increase ticket prices to say $50-60 a ticket?

If the answer is yes, clearly Penn State can afford a top coach. My view is that our athletic department thinks the answer is no, or isn’t willing to take the financial risk to find out.

This is my question as well. If Penn State invested to the mid-level of the B1G's MBB program expenses, would the investment yield net positive revenue results? My guess is that ICA has crunched these numbers and that the answer is no. If Penn State was a solid mid-conference team that made the Tourney an average of two out of four years, would BJC ticket revenue; parking, concessions and licensing revenue; sponsorships; a bigger radio network; etc., would these monies cover the increased investment and then some?

Penn State ran a well-financed ICA program throughout the Paterno era without a standout basketball program. I think it's the case that Penn State wants a winning MBB program, but realizes it doesn't need a winning MBB program. I also suspect that Penn State has long believed that it can't be a big winner in MBB without getting its hands dirty.
 
This is my question as well. If Penn State invested to the mid-level of the B1G's MBB program expenses, would the investment yield net positive revenue results? My guess is that ICA has crunched these numbers and that the answer is no. If Penn State was a solid mid-conference team that made the Tourney an average of two out of four years, would BJC ticket revenue; parking, concessions and licensing revenue; sponsorships; a bigger radio network; etc., would these monies cover the increased investment and then some?

Penn State ran a well-financed ICA program throughout the Paterno era without a standout basketball program. I think it's the case that Penn State wants a winning MBB program, but realizes it doesn't need a winning MBB program. I also suspect that Penn State has long believed that it can't be a big winner in MBB without getting its hands dirty.
I’ve crunched some back of the napkin numbers in other posts. Here’s the issue, as I see it. In the long term, yes, with a winner you can make as much or more as we make now in profit, by spending more and getting a winning program. The problem is that additional revenue doesn’t show up in the coffers overnight. You have to spend money first, and hope the team consistently finishes in the upper half if the conference, before significantly more money comes in. How long will that take? We’re talking selling out the BJC, raising ticket prices significantly, increased donor support, etc. 5-10 years minimum, I’d say. In the meantime, where’s the money coming from?

Without getting into more specifics, I estimated that if we sold out the BJC at current ticket prices for every game, including non-cons, that’s in the $1.5-$2M range in additional revenue. How realistic is that to happen, and how quickly? You won’t sell it out without a better product, but you need the revenue to develop the product. It’s a chicken or egg scenario. In terms of raising prices, in the course of doing so, we will probably lose some current ticket holders who now buy only because they’re relatively inexpensive. So we need to develop new fans to fill empty seats, and replace some existing fans who will get priced out. As an example, we have tickets for sale behind the baseline and off to the side, about midway up, for the game against Sparty. Big opponent. Cost is $24 last I looked. Similar seat in Crisler Arena for Michigan’s game against lowly us... $119 as I recall. But we have to first build the product, then build the fan base, then increase prices. In the meantime, where’s the millions going to come from until the revenue streams catch up?

I hope Sandy can figure out a way to do it, just as much as I hope Chambers can turn it around and do the slow build we seem to be able to afford (only faster). But I have to temper my optimism with reality.
 
I would replace him with Dave Paulsen from George Mason, formerly of Bucknell and Williams. In a way, his resume is similar to Bo Ryan's before he went to Wisconsin, and he is still in the prime years of his career.

There is no way to retain Chambers at this point.
 
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Drop both basketball programs, if that gives us trouble with title 9 start a dart league for women. That will satisfy everyone
 
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This is my question as well. If Penn State invested to the mid-level of the B1G's MBB program expenses, would the investment yield net positive revenue results? My guess is that ICA has crunched these numbers and that the answer is no. If Penn State was a solid mid-conference team that made the Tourney an average of two out of four years, would BJC ticket revenue; parking, concessions and licensing revenue; sponsorships; a bigger radio network; etc., would these monies cover the increased investment and then some?

Penn State ran a well-financed ICA program throughout the Paterno era without a standout basketball program. I think it's the case that Penn State wants a winning MBB program, but realizes it doesn't need a winning MBB program. I also suspect that Penn State has long believed that it can't be a big winner in MBB without getting its hands dirty.

If such an analysis was done, it was by some hack with a spreadsheet and it is totally meaningless in the real world. The arena was filling up in 1995-96 and at points during 2000-01 and 2010-11. (People were into the program when we were winning - it is very simple)

Tim Curley's tenure as AD was a total disaster for men's basketball, characterized by terrible timing and terrible decisions. All you need to know is that he passed on Jay Wright to extend Jerry Dunn for two more years, and then fired Dunn anyway and hired Ed DeChellis. And he passed on Fran Dunphy in his path to hiring DeChellis. What are the odds of screwing up that badly? You are more likely to win Powerball.
 
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I’ve lost track of college basketball, unfortunately, so I’m not up on young, prospective coaches. As someone who grew up on Big 5 hoops and could walk to the Palestra, I always hoped that PSU could break into a higher echelon. Guess that’s a pipe dream.
Where will they get the resources ($$$)? Apparently, we have a football stadium that’s falling down, a completely inadequate basketball arena, and 30 other sports that, other than hockey, hemorrhage cash. They need almost a billion dollars for ICA. How can anyone justify this? They could - should - cut a dozen sports and it wouldn’t make a dent in the needs.
So, I can appreciate their willingness to stay with PC. They may not be good but they’re in the black.
 
Duquesne spends $4.5M on basketball - so about a million bucks less than we do. That said, they just announced a $50M renovation of their arena earlier this fall.
Huh? They have their own arena? If so why didn’t we play there the other night? Because it’s being renovated? Serious question bc I saw they played at the penguins arena in front of like 2,000 fans
 
I am of the opinion that Penn State consciously chooses to minimize their spending in basketball to maximize the profits they can take out and use to fund other sports. Due to Big Ten revenue sharing, they make millions in profit on men’s basketball. Hiring a coach with the name and a pedigree that could recruit the kind of players that would allow Penn State to compete for Big Ten championships would severely reduce that profit.

As others on the board have pointed out, I don’t see this happening unless some deep pockets donor steps up and follows the model of Pegula and the hockey program. For many reasons, I wish I was in a financial position to do that!
But would revenue increase? What is basketball revenue compared to b1g peers? What are profits compared to peers? Sure MSU spends more than us but I assume their revenue is higher to produce a somewhat similar profit?
 
I’ve lost track of college basketball, unfortunately, so I’m not up on young, prospective coaches. As someone who grew up on Big 5 hoops and could walk to the Palestra, I always hoped that PSU could break into a higher echelon. Guess that’s a pipe dream.
Where will they get the resources ($$$)? Apparently, we have a football stadium that’s falling down, a completely inadequate basketball arena, and 30 other sports that, other than hockey, hemorrhage cash. They need almost a billion dollars for ICA. How can anyone justify this? They could - should - cut a dozen sports and it wouldn’t make a dent in the needs.
So, I can appreciate their willingness to stay with PC. They may not be good but they’re in the black.
Fortunately we may be past the halfway point of the BJC's life. If we get some vision in PSU leadership within the next 10 years maybe there will be a plan to renovate Rec Hall and return to an appropriately sized arena.
 
Fortunately we may be past the halfway point of the BJC's life. If we get some vision in PSU leadership within the next 10 years maybe there will be a plan to renovate Rec Hall and return to an appropriately sized arena.
Can’t unless you tear down the BJC. B1G requires games to be played in the largest available arena.
 
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Huh? They have their own arena? If so why didn’t we play there the other night? Because it’s being renovated? Serious question bc I saw they played at the penguins arena in front of like 2,000 fans
The Polumbo Center is on Duquesne’s campus, but it’s small. They usually rent out the Penguins arena for what they expect to be their bigger games, and the Pitt/Duquesne game is played there every year.

FWIW, I think the only reason why Penn State plays road games at Duquesne is because they play them at PPG. I don’t think they’d go on the road to play in front of 4,000 at Polumbo. It should turn into a nice little arena for an A10 team after the renovations.
 
The tallest Coach I could, so I don't have to watch Midget Basketball anymore.......
 
2 year’s ago I would have replaced him with Ben Howland before he went down south. Mississippi State ain’t much of a great job, even compared to PSU.

Now, I would go hard after Hoiberg. Invest in the program considerably. I thank Pat for the foundation he’s spent 8 years building, and was one of his earliest defenders for the first 5 years. But to me it’s clear we need to go in a new direction.

Throw out some realistic names.

Roy Williams
 
Bullshit. For as long as Chambers has been here, and with all the talent he supposedly had been bringing in, he shouldn’t be just 6-6 with that schedule. Too many bad losses that should have been wins. Too many games with shit offense.
Penn State has a top ten strength of schedule. Maybe it would have been better to have a top 25 schedule and a few more wins, but that isn’t what happened.
 
Penn State has a top ten strength of schedule. Maybe it would have been better to have a top 25 schedule and a few more wins, but that isn’t what happened.

Penn State managed to lose six games they were in position to win. That’s unacceptable.
 
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Can’t unless you tear down the BJC. B1G requires games to be played in the largest available arena.
Technically, since penn State only leases the BJC, maybe there is a loophole. The bottom line is that whomever determined the parameters for and approved the design of the BJC have handcuffed the men’s basketball team considerably. I think it would take a Peguila type benefactor to undue this curse of a facility. It wouldn’t have to be state of the art, but at least make it with basketball as it’s primary purpose, not concerts.
 
Technically, since penn State only leases the BJC, maybe there is a loophole. The bottom line is that whomever determined the parameters for and approved the design of the BJC have handcuffed the men’s basketball team considerably. I think it would take a Peguila type benefactor to undue this curse of a facility. It wouldn’t have to be state of the art, but at least make it with basketball as it’s primary purpose, not concerts.
University owns it, athletics leases it.

Too many cooks in the kitchen. To get the state to hand over dollars, the university sold it as multi-purpose economic generator for the whole community (which it has been). Original design was much more basketball centric in its features. Budget cuts and accommodations to non-athletics activities resulted in what we have. The story is that the plans athletics signed off on and what was built were two different things, and athletics didn’t find out until construction was too far along.
 
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2 year’s ago I would have replaced him with Ben Howland before he went down south. Mississippi State ain’t much of a great job, even compared to PSU.

Now, I would go hard after Hoiberg. Invest in the program considerably. I thank Pat for the foundation he’s spent 8 years building, and was one of his earliest defenders for the first 5 years. But to me it’s clear we need to go in a new direction.

Throw out some realistic names.



No brainer..........Nate Oats
 
Penn State football lost two games this year that they were in a position to win. Is that unacceptable?

Franklin’s track record is far better than Chambers’. Penn State’s defense, a liability early in the season, improved significantly as the season progressed. Chambers’ teams generally do not improve over the course of a season. Franklin also can’t make Amani catch an easy game-sealing interception. Chambers teams lose a lot of games due to poor fundamentals that are not corrected.

There is no comparison between Franklin and Chambers. None.
 
I must admit, It’s getting harder to stay positive about Chambers because whenever I think I can see the crest of the hill, it just keeps going.

I think Pat is a good man, hard working, and a capable coach. It’s just an uphill battle that is tough to overcome. He’s has connections to key recruiting hotbeds and gets blue chip players to visit. The lack of a strong basketball tradition and a complete dumpster fire of a basketball facility seem to be impossible to overcome.

That said, what coach is going to come to penn State and overcome these obstacles?


Typical Chambers apologist for all to see in your post. Actually pathetic. Pat’s a basketball coach that is paid to achieve a satisfactory level of success. He’s failed miserably. Now before you get aggressive and we go back and forth doing our thing explain to us why any coach deserves more time than the 8 years Pat has been given. Thanks.
 
It's plain and simple the university and athletic department needs to commit to having a competitive winning men's basketball program. Until they do no good coach is coming to take the job at Penn State. Lowest spend budget in the Big Ten, bad facilities , little fan support equals no commitment from PSU to succeed in men's basketball.



^^^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^
 
Sweet! If you only knew how moronic your post is. Typical. We’re 6-6 John.
Yes, and they have had to replace Garner, Carr, and a Watkins coming off a knee injury and personal issues, not to mention he's not in shape. That's a lot of offense to replace. This team is better if Carr stays and Watkins stays healthy. Is it the coaches fault Carr left too early? Did the coach injure Watkins and saddle him with issues? You guys are really unrealistic if you thought this team would be excellent right out of the gate. Building depth solves many of these problems but it's not easy.
 
Typical Chambers apologist for all to see in your post. Actually pathetic. Pat’s a basketball coach that is paid to achieve a satisfactory level of success. He’s failed miserably. Now before you get aggressive and we go back and forth doing our thing explain to us why any coach deserves more time than the 8 years Pat has been given. Thanks.
I’m not saying give him more time, I’m saying you get what you pay for. Given no change in the level of support, I don’t think anyone would be able to have sustained success.
 
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And Nate Oats would voluntarily decide to come to Penn State over any number of the other options he will inevitably have this offseason because...?


Maybe. Who knows. Pick your guy and go get him. With all the money being passed around at Penn State why is $3mill-$4mill such a hurdle for Penn State. Pitt was paying Dixon $3.5Mill. Then located their guy and gave him $3mill. We have way more money than Pitt. I don’t get it.
 
Yes, and they have had to replace Garner, Carr, and a Watkins coming off a knee injury and personal issues, not to mention he's not in shape. That's a lot of offense to replace. This team is better if Carr stays and Watkins stays healthy. Is it the coaches fault Carr left too early? Did the coach injure Watkins and saddle him with issues? You guys are really unrealistic if you thought this team would be excellent right out of the gate. Building depth solves many of these problems but it's not easy.


This is what’s frustrating about the apologist view. Dude it’s year 8!!!!
 
I’m not saying give him more time, I’m saying you get what you pay for. Given no change in the level of support, I don’t think anyone would be able to have sustained success.


Fair. Excuse my frustration Dan. I guess I want to spend Penn State money to buy a program. I see programs like Pitt and Va Tech going out and getting their guy no matter what the costs are. I’d like to see Penn State do the same.
 
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Maybe. Who knows. Pick your guy and go get him. With all the money being passed around at Penn State why is $3mill-$4mill such a hurdle for Penn State. Pitt was paying Dixon $3.5Mill. Then located their guy and gave him $3mill. We have way more money than Pitt. I don’t get it.
Maybe they don't.
 
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That's not being an apologist. That's just stating facts. You may not like them and you can't argue against them so you just call people morons and apologists.


I get it. You post opinion so must be facts. The facts are simply pal. Year 8. Win loss %. Big Ten record. This year’s record. Ect!!!! Don’t triple down John. You have it backwards. You’re on the wrong side of the facts.
 
Maybe. Who knows. Pick your guy and go get him. With all the money being passed around at Penn State why is $3mill-$4mill such a hurdle for Penn State. Pitt was paying Dixon $3.5Mill. Then located their guy and gave him $3mill. We have way more money than Pitt. I don’t get it.
Pitt has fewer football and non-revenue sports expenses.

2016-2017 athletics had a $5.3 million profit. Of that, $4M is allocated towards the facilities master plan, and the rest put into reserve to hedge against unexpected future expenses, revenue drops, etc. A fiscally responsible thing to do. So where’s the money going to come from? Should we not invest in facilities to boost basketball spending?
 
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Pitt has fewer football and non-revenue sports expenses.

2016-2017 athletics had a $5.3 million profit. Of that, $4M is allocated towards the facilities master plan, and the rest put into reserve to hedge against unexpected future expenses, revenue drops, etc. A fiscally responsible thing to do. So where’s the money going to come from? Should we not invest in facilities to boost basketball spending?


I think Penn State can come up with an extra mill or two if they were serious about a winning program. Penn State has never had a problem finding money for things that are a priority or obligation for the university.
 
I get it. You post opinion so must be facts. The facts are simply pal. Year 8. Win loss %. Big Ten record. This year’s record. Ect!!!! Don’t triple down John. You have it backwards. You’re on the wrong side of the facts.
I posted: "They have had to replace Garner, Carr, and a Watkins coming off a knee injury and personal issues, not to mention he's not in shape. That's a lot of offense to replace. This team is better if Carr stays and Watkins stays healthy. Is it the coaches fault Carr left too early? Did the coach injure Watkins and saddle him with issues? "
Where is the opinion in that? What's not factual? I think you have an issue separating fact from opinion. Unless you can point out what's not factual in that statement don't bother responding.
 
I posted: "They have had to replace Garner, Carr, and a Watkins coming off a knee injury and personal issues, not to mention he's not in shape. That's a lot of offense to replace. This team is better if Carr stays and Watkins stays healthy. Is it the coaches fault Carr left too early? Did the coach injure Watkins and saddle him with issues? "
Where is the opinion in that? What's not factual? I think you have an issue separating fact from opinion. Unless you can point out what's not factual in that statement don't bother responding.


We are in year 8. In your opinion because we have to replace who you listed 6-6 is to be expected. You’re beyond rehab. It’s not Chambers fault guys get leave or get hurt. It’s Chambers fault he hasn’t built a program in 8 years that is sustainable. Oh and his Big Ten performance is beyond pathetic.
 
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