One could argue that more should be expected from one of the top paid coaches in the business, than from the lowest paid coach in the conference, and therefore those losses are more unacceptable coming from CJF.
Who would you hire to replace Chambers?
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Yes when it’s only 17% of your games as opposed to 50% of your games.
"the program" is the current coach, and players that that same coach brings in. That combination is what either brings fans to the home games or brings apathy to those same fans. Pat = Apathy. The way to TRY and change that for a competent AD to find a better coach. At this point I do not believe PSU has a competent AD. The way to change that is for a competent PSU President to fire the current AD and hire a more competent/aggressive AD.
Just like on any other organization, it almost always goes to one person that determines the course of that organization. And right now we don't seem to have a President that is willing to shake up the athletic dept. to try for better men's and women's BB programs. If I had a vote, it would be for removal of the current PSU President.
Yep, right now PSU is the Pittsburgh Pirates of the Big Ten Men's BB Conference......
Sad.
The Nebraska guy? Miles? I like him but wold it be a lateral move? And could he recruit in the east? dont know if he has any ties here.
Pitt is a better job than Penn State by several orders of magnitude and has been for decades. The fact that they were able to get the coach that they did coming off a winless season in conference play is a testament to that.
And, for what it’s worth, Pitt kicked the tires on Nate Oats last year and the money he was asking for was apparently out of this world - far more than what they ended up paying Capel. I don’t see a universe in which Oats agrees to take a job that’s significantly worse than that for less than $5M.
So our options are to keep pat and get talented Philly recruits and develop players but get out coached on game day to cost your team 4-5 extra losses a year or try and get a coach who knows how to work the clock, subs, have an offense but might not recruit as well his management of the game wins 4-5 extra?
I’m not sure I would agree. Once Pitt joined the ACC, they have struggled quite a bit and if you listen to reports about what Capel found when he got there, the cupboard was pretty bare. I would have loved to see Penn State take a run at hiring Jeff Capel last year. I’d also say the same for UCONN right now. Would have loved to see Penn State make a run at Danny Hurley last year too. I’d feel a lot more confident about the future of our basketball program if one of those two were our head coach.
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He’s at Buffalo. He’s never gonna smell $5mill on his next contract. He’s no better positioned than Hurley last year. UCONN gave him $2.75mill to $3.25mill if I remember correctly.
$3M per - but that’s at UConn. I’m talking about the premium that Penn State would need to pay for the level of difficulty that the job brings.
I don’t think it’s as bad as some think. Buzz Williams went to Blacksburg. You put Buzz Williams at Penn State he’s doing the same thing he’s doing at VT. The situation at Penn State is a disgrace. If administration
wasn’t so oblivious to the college basketball landscape this could get done with the right hire. Earlier poster was correct when he posted don’t blame Chambers because we get what we pay for.
Never but current Louisville Asst and great recruiter, Mike Peguese, who be a candidate.
Get over it! Chambers has sucked as a basketball coach period. He shows it each and every year
I want penn State man basketball to be very successful. the same nearby metro areas that produce high end football talent, lol produce high end basketball talent. Penn State needs to show a real commitment to men’s basketball, however, in order to shift the paradigm. Replace Chambers and the next coach will be facing the same mountain to climb. Hire the right up and coming coach and he may move on to a better job as soon as he gets the chance. Maybe Penn State would all of a sudden care about men’s basketball, and throw money at the coach and into the program, but there is zero evidence to support this. Penn State is perfectly happy spending less than any other Big Ten school and collecting a full share of the BTN piggy bank.
The thing that strikes me as odd is that everyone keeps saying Pat is a much better recruiter than Ed. I suspect that he is and don’t think that’s a stretch. Well then once we establish that let’s look at results both in 8 years....
B1G winning %:
Ed 30%
Pat 29%
NIT appearances:
Ed 2
Pat 1
NIT championships:
Ed 1
Pat 1
NCAA Appearances:
Ed 1
Pat 0
If pat is such a great recruiter compared to Ed, why isn’t he producing better results than Ed? Don’t give me trend lines and other nonsense. The facts are the facts
B1G winning %:
Ed 30%
Pat 29%
NIT appearances:
Ed 2
Pat 1
NIT championships:
Ed 1
Pat 1
NCAA Appearances:
Ed 1
Pat 0
If pat is such a great recruiter compared to Ed, why isn’t he producing better results than Ed? Don’t give me trend lines and other nonsense. The facts are the facts
Ed was a better coach. His recruiting strategy was incoherent because he was not respected in Philadelphia. He was able to find good recruits sometimes but there was no rhyme or reason to the way he did it.
Also, Ed didn't make the NCAA until his 8th year, the same year Chambers is in right now. Also, Ed's 2006 NIT appearance was totally worthless and under old selection rules (PSU got in based on being 0.500 overall). Ed lost to Rutgers in round 1. It was the equivalent of Chambers' lone CBI appearance.
Basically these two have produced the same thing. Not much.
Fair point on the first NIT bid. I’m not saying Ed is great by any stretch. I’m saying he achieved slightly more than Pat has in 8 years. Pat ain’t making the NCAA this year and increasingly likely we won’t even make the NIT...but if Pat is so much better at recruiting than Ed, why don’t his on court results show that? I think the only real answer is that he’s not a good coach at all
Because Ed was a better in-game coach. For instance, Ed almost always outcoached Bill Carmody and Bruce Weber. Almost every time; even when he lost to them. I cannot think of a B1G coach who Pat always outcoaches, except maybe the coach at Ohio State last season.
But Ed was a far worse recruiter. Pat is way better in that department. Give credit where due.
Pat should have been in the NCAA last year and he couldn't do it. He is not a great coach. His staff is not great at coaching.
Ed did not really achieve more than Pat up to this point. At the same point in December 2010, PSU was 7-4 and had just lost to Maine. They were up and down all season in the B1G, and the tournament looked out of reach until they went on a run in the Big Ten tourney, beating Wisconsin in a weird 36-33 game before defeating MSU the next day. If Wisconsin had won that game Ed would not have been to any NCAA tournaments. Likewise, if PSU defeated Purdue in the BTT last year, Pat would have been to one NCAA tournament. I don't know that I would feel much differently about him right now if that had happened, to be honest.
I agree Pat should go but I don't like the revisionist history about Ed. He was not that good overall. In fact he was terrible. At one point he had a verbal commitment from Trey Burke, and lost it after starting 0-12 in the Big Ten during 2009-10. (Ed had a team capable of making the NCAA tournament that season.)
The hard truth is that Jerry Dunn, for all of his weaknesses, was better than either of these guys.
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Whoa I’m not saying Ed was any good. I’m saying it’s funny that with recruiting that most say is much improved from Ed, that by almost all measures Pat’s results do not top Ed’s
I do not understand UCLAs line of thinking here maybe he was not winning them big enough games or something but he did make the NCAA in 3 of the 5 seasons he was there and 3 were sweet 16 appearances.
Because he’s just now getting these better recruits into the program. First Newbill, then Reaves and Watkins, followed by Carr and Stevens, and just now Dread, Bolton and Jones. Ed had occasionally recruited a diamond in the rough that resulted in a spike of success. His bad teams were really bad. Chambers has lowered the floor, if you understand that metaphor. If Watkins gets his groove back, this team could compete with just about anyone with their top 7 or 8 guys. And, keep in mind, Ed wasn’t fired for his mediocrity, he left on his own to go to Navy.
Just curious why not Alford. I like chambers but I think Alford is step up.
https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/03/31/bernstein-ucla-hired-a-scumbag/
You might change your mind on Alford after reading this.
You might change your mind on Alford after reading this.
Said it for a few years, but in your world, I’m his wife if I don’t have a pitchfork in my hand...
Penn State's next five games are against ranked teams. Maybe by some miracle Pat will win three of these and the season will be salvaged into something reasonable (although he still does not get a pass for somehow managing to coach his way out of the NCAA tournament by December 1).
More likely, he wins zero or one of these games. This reminds me of Dunn's final season - but this is worse because that team was supposed to be bad. This team has fairly good players.
It is definitely time to cut ties with Pat. He came here to make a name for himself and it did not happen. I like him more than Ed but the results are basically the same. It has now been about a quarter century since Parkhill left and PSU has done nothing with this program.
The problem is, there is no real answer on how to fix this program. I think PSU has to keep rolling the dice on different coaches until somebody gets it. Nobody should get eight years again. Start giving these guys three years to fix it; if they can't, move on.
More likely, he wins zero or one of these games. This reminds me of Dunn's final season - but this is worse because that team was supposed to be bad. This team has fairly good players.
It is definitely time to cut ties with Pat. He came here to make a name for himself and it did not happen. I like him more than Ed but the results are basically the same. It has now been about a quarter century since Parkhill left and PSU has done nothing with this program.
The problem is, there is no real answer on how to fix this program. I think PSU has to keep rolling the dice on different coaches until somebody gets it. Nobody should get eight years again. Start giving these guys three years to fix it; if they can't, move on.
Yes, because Duke's academic reputation has been harmed so much by all of that.
Then why do you defend him so hard when people point out obvious game management mistakes?
Even HS coaches would be gone by 8 years if no improvement down here in MD unless the principal/AD have other opinions of the program.
I think there were a lot of people, myself included, who truly believed Chambers was going to fix it. After all, the college game is 75 percent recruiting and his recruiting is inarguably pretty good. The fact that he cannot get anything done means the remaining 25 percent is really bad.
Find posts where I defend his game management. I’ve said before that I think he’s about an “8” as a recruiter, and about a “4” as an in-game coach.
