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Wrestling: Penn State vs. Iowa Match Thread

Have you seriously never gotten ahead of yourself as a fan? I have been very excited watching PSU get leads on OSU, only to be disappointed with the final results. He is a high school kid, that you are judging on one tweet. It says more about you than him.
He’s not a fan. He will face PSU in the future.
 
Come on. Just admit you were wrong. You had Starocci by bonus and Bartlett over Woods. One was close to being right and the other wasn’t. Nobody is 100%
Let me help you out.
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Apparently you missed it.
 
I put this together a few years ago but thought it might be worth a re-print. I need to update it for Nick Lee - I’m confident he moved up the rankings when his entire career is considered - and do the math for the current squad. That said, mcpat is spot on - the current team, as good as it is, doesn’t score points like the wrestlers listed below.

I calculated the team points scored per match by a select group of past and current PSU wrestlers. For example, David Taylor had 53 pins (53 x 6), 42 TFs (42 x 5), 30 MDs (30 x 4), and 9 Ds (9 x 3). I then subtracted 6 points for his two losses by decision to Dake and 6 for his loss to Jenkins. That’s 663 total points, which I then divided by Taylor’s 137 career bouts. That comes to 4.84 points per match. For purposes of this exercise, I treated tournament wins and losses the same as dual wins and losses. That may be the wrong way to do it, but here’s the list:

Nolf 4.91 (60 pins, 27 TFs, 16 MDs, 14 Ds, 3 Ls)
Taylor 4.84 (53 pins, 42 TFs, 30 MDs, 9 Ds, 3 Ls)
Nickal 4.67 (59 pins, 12 TFs, 23 MDs, 26 Ds, 3 Ls)
Retherford 4.57 (53 pins, 22 TFs, 20 MDs, 31 Ds, 3 Ls)
Ruth 4.44 (46 pins, 25 TFs, 33 MDs, 32 Ds, 3 Ls)
Hall 4.11 (34 pins, 13 TFs, 15 MDs, 35 Ds, 5 Ls)
Joseph 3.60 (21 pins, 11 TFs, 16 MDs, 27 Ds, 8 Ls)
Cassar 3.48 (6 pins, 2 TFs, 20 MDs, 19 Ds, 3 Ls)
Lee 3.28 (14 pins, 14 TFs, 25 MDs, 16 Ds, 11 Ls)
Rasheed 3.27 (28 pins, 6 TFs, 16 MDs, 16 Ds, 15 Ls)

It’s entirely possible that a few of my calculations are slightly off. With that caveat and by this (admittedly incomplete) measure, Nolf camethisclose to averaging a TF over his 120 matches. (And that’s with a deduction of 6 points for his “loss” to Van Brill.) Amazing!
Thanks for putting that together. Nolf and DT’s stats are incredible. People think Nickal was the best finisher because he had some really huge pins in huge moments but Nolf and DT were on another level. 14 regular decisions in 121 matches is something else. DT having only 9 regular decisions in 137 matches is otherworldly. Looking at all of these numbers really just shows how spoiled we have been. We have 3 guys likely to win their 3rd national title this year and yet looking at dominance they will be down the list a bit when compared to other recent PSU greats. At pretty much any other program in the nation RBY, Starocci, and AB would be at the very top in the program’s history while at PSU they don’t even crack the top 5 of the past 13 years. WE ARE….spoiled
 
I freely admit that I am biased. His dad gives off big mouth Greg Martin vibes. (Myles Martin’s dad).
his dad’s the opposite of a trash talker. he posts a lot about gabe but he’s always talking about how good the opponent is and how great it is to see them scrap. every time he’s interviewed he uses his “it’s just wrestling” line to emphasize he teaches gabe it’s all about having fun. he seems like a really good dude. mr brooks is a million times closer to myles martin’s dad if we’re going off public behavior.
 
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the common understanding of stalling is allowed by rule, yes. there was a big discussion about this on twitter including some D1 coaches.
When I was a kid if you weren't out to the side and at the least working towards a turn you were top stalling. I know what I "think" is top stalling, today it isn't. However, I don't think I woukd say the rules allow top stalling.
 
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Love all the feedback on here post match, but some are a bit negative for my taste. I agree there were some negatives, but my takeaways:

Vespa locked up a cradle on Lee and was going for a pin seconds into the match. Spencer not getting a pin was a massive boost;
Levi shed the redshirt and had a great victory;
RBY had a huge pin, great bounce back after the UM match;
Max and CStar had ferocious rides and found a way to win;
Brooks punished the Iowa backup
Kerk had an awesome win over Cass;
We have 3 stud freshmen who look to be future stars
The future is so bright I gotta wear shades 😎
 
wow. spencer must be fd somewhere that he tech falls someone who was told not to be pinned only goal…:. guess he’s somewhat of a do getter but doesn’t try hard enough lmfao 😂

Response is this: Can you finish a position on an elite guy? No. Make it out as some sort of victory for your mid weights in s hilarious because they all looked unimpressive. Although Starocci’s record is fine, he’s simply not fun to watch. If I wanted OK St., I’d tune in
What a maroon!

"Starocci’s record is fine, he’s simply not fun to watch. If I wanted OK St., I’d tune in"

Oh, come on now, really? Iowa had only 2 takedowns. Not only does Starocci have 9 bonus in 12 dual matches this year, but Oky State is funner to watch than 9/10ths of the whole Iowa squad.

 
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you are not required to attempt to turn on top
Correct by rule. The top man’s first initiative is to keep the bottom man down. It is all that is required.

If the bottom man does not want a so-called stall ride, then he should escape from that stall ride.
 
Question. Someone posted Warner had to be escorted away from Terry Brands. This woukd have happened in front of me and I missed it. I was watching Dean leave the mat and Cael emphatically slapping him on the back several times.
Any idea what happened between the second T in TnT and Warner?
 
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When I was a kid if you weren't out to the side and at the least working towards a turn you were top stalling. I know what I "think" is top stalling, today it isn't. However, I don't think I woukd say the rules allow top stalling.
You don’t know the rules then.
 
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When I was a kid if you weren't out to the side and at the least working towards a turn you were top stalling. I know what I "think" is top stalling, today it isn't. However, I don't think I woukd say the rules allow top stalling.
yes, exactly like said. the common understanding of top stalling (not working for a turn) is allowed. that’s why iowa can spiral ride to death and psu can sit on an ankle for 2 minutes. anything else i can help you with mr wrong?
 
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He said it was a perfect storm for Iowa to downplay their performance. Having to start a back up isn’t a perfect storm. It’s pretty simple to comprehend.
From your perspective I guess it is I see it as an excuse it's not that hard to comprehend
 
Love all the feedback on here post match, but some are a bit negative for my taste. I agree there were some negatives, but my takeaways:

Vespa locked up a cradle on Lee and was going for a pin seconds into the match. Spencer not getting a pin was a massive boost;
Levi shed the redshirt and had a great victory;
RBY had a huge pin, great bounce back after the UM match;
Max and CStar had ferocious rides and found a way to win;
Brooks punished the Iowa backup
Kerk had an awesome win over Cass;
We have 3 stud freshmen who look to be future stars
The future is so bright I gotta wear shades 😎
And I’ll add that we would all have loved to see our guys take 9 out of 10. Iowa fans can take some positives from the match. That will just make March all the sweeter, when we crush their spirits.
 
yes, exactly like said. the common understanding of top stalling (not working for a turn) is allowed. that’s why iowa can spiral ride to death and psu can sit on an ankle for 2 minutes. anything else i can help you with mr wrong?
I do not know why this is so hard for you, but not surprised. You, me and plenty of others might think a particular ride is stalling, but by rule it isn't. That means we aren't right, not that the rules say stalling is allowed.

Slight difference between you and me. I can recognize my mistakes, you lack the awareness.
 
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I do not know why this is so hard for you, but not surprised. You, me and plenty of others might think a particular ride is stalling, but by rule it isn't. That means we aren't right, not that the rules say stalling is allowed.

Slight difference between you and me. I can recognize my mistakes, you lack the awareness.
you think you’re making a point, but all you’re doing is repeating what i’m saying.

as for recognizing mistakes, still waiting for you to admit you were way wrong yesterday
 
you think you’re making a point, but all you’re doing is repeating what i’m saying.

as for recognizing mistakes, still waiting for you to admit you were way wrong yesterday
Not trying to make a rules point. Just pointing out your tendency to be rather obtuse.

I already responded to madden.

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Like I said before, maybe if your coaches didn't grind the team to dust during practice, you wouldn't have to wrestle a backup 165 against Aaron Brooks.

Thinking about this more got me curious as to why this happened even if they were forced to go with a backup at 184. Going by WrestleStat, from 174 through HWT, Iowa only has 1 non-starter that is not taking a redshirt (medical or otherwise) this year. It makes them incredibly thin at the upper weights. They weren't going to blow a redshirt to take a loss against the #1 184 if Assad isn't going to be out for a while. The most likely other option was to bump Brands up and wrestle Rhodes at 174, but the net result would have been close to the same overall.
 
Not trying to make a rules point. Just pointing out your tendency to be rather obtuse.

I already responded to madden.

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only one of us is being obtuse
 
When I was a kid if you weren't out to the side and at the least working towards a turn you were top stalling. I know what I "think" is top stalling, today it isn't. However, I don't think I woukd say the rules allow top stalling.
the biggest difference today are the tilts - we really didn't see them long ago. Thus, the bottom man does not 'do' much either to keep from getting turned.. As you know the bottom man doesn't open up and seeks a hand before they move
 
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I completely missed the epic dual. Too
The difference in these programs is staggering. From results internationally down to how recruits conduct themselves. Like comparing Apple to Kodak.
I half wonder if he’s talking about Iowa.

Samsung is better.
 
That was what I was just thinking. Multipurpose facilities should have restroom doors where you can change the labels on them easily just by sliding one label out and the other one in. A wrestling match tonight? 80% men's rooms, 20% women's rooms. Taylor Swift concert tonight? One men's room and all the rest women's rooms. Simple, cost-effective solution.
Makes sense ... except Penn State.
 
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