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141-149 situation...

Based on Cael's comment in the post-match pc this weekend, it strongly suggests he tends disagree with you.... and Cael sees BB go up against quality 49 lbers everyday in the room... unlike your opinion based on nothing but "your opinion".

Well I said he’s probably better, so don’t think he disagrees. I’m just not sure how much better.

Verk has wins over the guys currently ranked #9 and 10 by Flo, and lost in SV to #1. He certainly has the potential to AA (but yes, he could also go 0-2). I would guess Bartlett’s ceiling at 149 this year is probably 5th or so, but he could also go 0-2.
 
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Well I said he’s probably better, so don’t think he disagrees. I’m just not sure how much better.

Verk has wins over the guys currently ranked #9 and 10 by Flo, and lost in SV to #1. He certainly has the potential to AA (but yes, he could also go 0-2). I would guess Bartlett’s ceiling at 149 this year is probably 5th or so, but he could also go 0-2.
I want a guy who will at least take regular shots - not rely on Hail Mary duck unders with 30 seconds on the clock. I’d say he’s been figured out
 
I want a guy who will at least take regular shots - not rely on Hail Mary duck unders with 30 seconds on the clock. I’d say he’s been figured out

Verk is brutal to watch for sure. Just not sure it’s a sure thing Bartlett outscores him at NCAA’s. Honestly kinda reminds me of Iowa with Wilcke/Assad last year.
 
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Beau just won 13 to 6.

1+3=4
3+6=9

He's going 149. #Math

Ah, got it now 4 and 9... Guess I was confused what those numbers represented (1st and 2nd period points... points from first combination and then remaining points scored.... etc... Clearly isn't any of those things, so completely confused as to where you were getting the numbers that added up to final point total.).
 
Verk was ranked 10th or so this preseason. Everyone acts like he's chopped liver.

Having said that Lee should move up. He should want to imo. Riveria is tiny and is ranked top three. I think lee wins 149 just as easy if not easier then 141.
Your right he is not chopped liver. However, he has yet to show that he can win 5 matches in 3 days against quality opponents to become an All American.
 
Bartlett looks small for a 141. It looks like he could make weight at 133. He would giving away a lot of weight at 149. I think that Lee moving up to 149 and Bartlett wrestling 141 is more likely that Bartlett at 149.
 
If Lee/Cael truly decided the main focus was Olympic Trials and that 141 was best for that, then yes.

If there were any team implications in that decision then I’m not so sure. For one, I don’t think it was really known what weight Eierman would be going. Cael also may have been hopeful a clear frontrunner at 149 may have emerged (which of course can still happen).

Most people didn’t think they weren’t going to pull Brooks’ redshirt last year too...
Pulling a shirt on a physically and emotionally prepared athlete is nowhere near similar to pushing a very likely national champion up a weight a week prior to the post season.
 
Pulling a shirt on a physically and emotionally prepared athlete is nowhere near similar to pushing a very likely national champion up a weight a week prior to the post season.

I was more just talking about the fact that sometimes Cael does things people don't really expect.

I think he's also a "very likely national champion" at 149.

And there's over a month until the post season...
 
Ah, got it now 4 and 9... Guess I was confused what those numbers represented (1st and 2nd period points... points from first combination and then remaining points scored.... etc... Clearly isn't any of those things, so completely confused as to where you were getting the numbers that added up to final point total.).
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Ok done!

I really don't like any if us coming across as dissing on Jarod. His personal story is one of success and perseverance. He had built a pretty impressive resume before PSU. I trust, none of us could have acheived so much under similar circumstances. He is a great example for the team and I suspect a lead by example kind of guy with his dedication and no quit attitude.

That said his need to manage matches has absolutely cost the team and limits our potential. I remain surprised that we didn't recruit this weight harder over the past 2-3 years as it was a known gap (start the Sasso train here).

I would rather Jarod go balls out for the first two periods racking up points and looking for falls only to crash in the 3rd. I assume such an approach must carry some pretty significant health risks.

He is very hard to score on and can scramble so I suspect winning a wrestle off against him is no easy feat, most especially with guys with whom he is familiar. Then again we simply can not expect him to go out and win matches with regularity in tourneys against top competition.

His winning percentage has declined each year, and his bonus rate is down as well. In short he is a very established collegiate wrestler who's contribution potential is now entirely predictable, and when going up against Iowa in the dual or tourneys will most likely not get it done.

The opportunity vs risk is pretty clear. Gardener, Bear Claw or Bartlett are all unknowns but in the end probably will not cost the team anything in terms of tourney points. Maybe the risk is higher in the dual by giving up a major or worse but that is not a given either.

I suspect for the Iowa dual we will see Verk unless he is still injured, but for the tourneys I would like to see Beau or one of the others. IMO, Beau is the only one capable of catching lightning in a bottle, but he should have been managing his ascent for weeks now, so his inexperience and weight both count against him going forward.

Cael is an eternal optimist, and is so supportive of Jarod and how 'close he is'. Unfortunately, I see another Jimmy Giillibon in Jarod, which for the fan is somewhat torturous to see play out week after week, year after year, while Cael remains eternally hopeful.

Jarod's Indiana match was the poster child for missed opportunities, sqandering 4-5 easy positions into no points and a loss at the end, against a kid he should ideally take to the woodshed.

Let's hope the 141 'nonsense' (and yes I said nonsense) is settled during this extended week and we see Beau give it a college try for 149 thereafter, and may the most aggresive man win.
 
I'm going to make a prediction: We will have out best team possible come Tourney season. It likely won't be because of the insights of this board though. I'm prepared to cheer on any of the guys for their own unique journey. I'm partial to Gardner and at least the idea of Bartlett--but I suspect that C3 has a better idea than I do. Verkleeren's style isn't the most fun to watch, but it's a proven path to wins for many people--keep it close, make your move late. He won a Cadet World Championship that way. Others have won big tourneys the same way. You can't say he doesn't have good defense, that's for sure.
 
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I'm going to make a prediction: We will have out best team possible come Tourney season. It likely won't be because of the insights of this board though. I'm prepared to cheer on any of the guys for their own unique journey. I'm partial to Gardner and at least the idea of Bartlett--but I suspect that C3 has a better idea than I do. Verkleeren's style isn't the most fun to watch, but it's a proven path to wins for many people--keep it close, make your move late. He won a Cadet World Championship that way. Others have won big tourneys the same way. You can't say he doesn't have good defense, that's for sure.
Great post with this line as the best- It likely won't be because of the insights of this board though.
 
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Sorry if someone has covered this, I did not read the entire thread.

Bartlett getting matches at both weights fit perfect in my mind. Lee/Bartlett are the 2 best on PSU roster 141 and 149, so with Covid-19 protocol, an athlete will lose 17 days with a positive test, so if Lee test positive and cant make bigs then Bartlett goes 141 if Lee is good come Bigs then Bartlett goes 149. Either way it is my believe that Bartlett will wrestle the post season. I agree with those who think Lee at 149 is a better line-up, but I also believe that Nick has earned the right to wrestle his weight!

I also think that RBY at 125(if he can hold) and Howard at 133 is the best line-up. But nobody knows these kids like the PSY Staff----just have faith.

Also--look back the past several years--PSU always has a SO SO showing in January--it is all part of the training cycle and this year is not any different.
 
Sorry if someone has covered this, I did not read the entire thread.

Bartlett getting matches at both weights fit perfect in my mind. Lee/Bartlett are the 2 best on PSU roster 141 and 149, so with Covid-19 protocol, an athlete will lose 17 days with a positive test, so if Lee test positive and cant make bigs then Bartlett goes 141 if Lee is good come Bigs then Bartlett goes 149. Either way it is my believe that Bartlett will wrestle the post season. I agree with those who think Lee at 149 is a better line-up, but I also believe that Nick has earned the right to wrestle his weight!

I also think that RBY at 125(if he can hold) and Howard at 133 is the best line-up. But nobody knows these kids like the PSY Staff----just have faith.

Also--look back the past several years--PSU always has a SO SO showing in January--it is all part of the training cycle and this year is not any different.

Bartlett has wrestled 141 in all of his matches this season, none at 149. To date no evidence (other than the opinion of posters here) that BB would beat Gardner or Verk.
 
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Bartlett has wrestled 141 in all of his matches this season, none at 149. To date no evidence (other than the opinion of posters here) that BB would beat Gardner or Verk.
he wrestler 149 extra match against Indiana, I did not see the match, but read the recap some where, and the announcers yesterday said the same.
 
Ok done!

I really don't like any if us coming across as dissing on Jarod. His personal story is one of success and perseverance. He had built a pretty impressive resume before PSU. I trust, none of us could have acheived so much under similar circumstances. He is a great example for the team and I suspect a lead by example kind of guy with his dedication and no quit attitude.

That said his need to manage matches has absolutely cost the team and limits our potential. I remain surprised that we didn't recruit this weight harder over the past 2-3 years as it was a known gap (start the Sasso train here).

I would rather Jarod go balls out for the first two periods racking up points and looking for falls only to crash in the 3rd. I assume such an approach must carry some pretty significant health risks.

He is very hard to score on and can scramble so I suspect winning a wrestle off against him is no easy feat, most especially with guys with whom he is familiar. Then again we simply can not expect him to go out and win matches with regularity in tourneys against top competition.

His winning percentage has declined each year, and his bonus rate is down as well. In short he is a very established collegiate wrestler who's contribution potential is now entirely predictable, and when going up against Iowa in the dual or tourneys will most likely not get it done.

The opportunity vs risk is pretty clear. Gardener, Bear Claw or Bartlett are all unknowns but in the end probably will not cost the team anything in terms of tourney points. Maybe the risk is higher in the dual by giving up a major or worse but that is not a given either.

I suspect for the Iowa dual we will see Verk unless he is still injured, but for the tourneys I would like to see Beau or one of the others. IMO, Beau is the only one capable of catching lightning in a bottle, but he should have been managing his ascent for weeks now, so his inexperience and weight both count against him going forward.

Cael is an eternal optimist, and is so supportive of Jarod and how 'close he is'. Unfortunately, I see another Jimmy Giillibon in Jarod, which for the fan is somewhat torturous to see play out week after week, year after year, while Cael remains eternally hopeful.

Jarod's Indiana match was the poster child for missed opportunities, sqandering 4-5 easy positions into no points and a loss at the end, against a kid he should ideally take to the woodshed.

Let's hope the 141 'nonsense' (and yes I said nonsense) is settled during this extended week and we see Beau give it a college try for 149 thereafter, and may the most aggressive man win.

I agree with pretty much everything you have posted here.
I'm Verk fan, but we know what he's going to do here at this point.
Jimmy G was an All American, and round of 12 his senior year...
Jimmy was inconsistent, but he also delivered bonus points from time to time.
Sadly, I don't see that for Verk. I wish I did, I want that for him... Hopefully, Verk recovers quickly from his injury...

I liked what we saw out of BearClaw vs. Ya Ya... So we'll see...

I dig this team. They are fun to watch. Young and developing right before our eyes...
 
he wrestler 149 extra match against Indiana, I did not see the match, but read the recap some where, and the announcers yesterday said the same.

No he didn't. He wrestled at 141. See link.

 
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No he didn't. He wrestled at 141. See link.

NoVa is correct, here is a cut and paste

Extra Matches:
174: Carter Starocci PSU tech fall Robert Detars IND, 18-1 (TF; 2:37)
149: Luke Gardner PSU pinned Jonathan Kervin IND, WBF (0:56)
165: Konner Kraeszig PSU maj. dec. Derek Gilcher IND, 9-0
141: Beau Bartlett PSU pinned Jacob Moran IND, WBF (1:48)
149: Terrell Barraclough PSU maj. dec. Jonathan Kervin IND, 8-0
174: Creighton Edsell PSU dec. Robert Detars IND, 10-5
165: Konner Kraeszig PSU dec. Sammy Cokely IND, 13-7
 
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NoVa is correct, here is a cut and paste

there are 2 Moran’s on IU’s team. The printout name reads Jacob Moran 125.... should read Johnathan Moran 141... the larger of the Moran bro’s.
Extra Matches:
174: Carter Starocci PSU tech fall Robert Detars IND, 18-1 (TF; 2:37)
149: Luke Gardner PSU pinned Jonathan Kervin IND, WBF (0:56)
165: Konner Kraeszig PSU maj. dec. Derek Gilcher IND, 9-0
141: Beau Bartlett PSU pinned Jacob Moran IND, WBF (1:48)
149: Terrell Barraclough PSU maj. dec. Jonathan Kervin IND, 8-0
174: Creighton Edsell PSU dec. Robert Detars IND, 10-5
165: Konner Kraeszig PSU dec. Sammy Cokely IND, 13-7
 
Bartlett has wrestled 141 in all of his matches this season, none at 149. To date no evidence (other than the opinion of posters here) that BB would beat Gardner or Verk.

Whether he can beat either one is irrelevant. It is who can perform best when the lights are on. Coaches have made these types of calls for the last 50 years.
 
NoVa is correct, here is a cut and paste

Extra Matches:
174: Carter Starocci PSU tech fall Robert Detars IND, 18-1 (TF; 2:37)
149: Luke Gardner PSU pinned Jonathan Kervin IND, WBF (0:56)
165: Konner Kraeszig PSU maj. dec. Derek Gilcher IND, 9-0
141: Beau Bartlett PSU pinned Jacob Moran IND, WBF (1:48)
149: Terrell Barraclough PSU maj. dec. Jonathan Kervin IND, 8-0
174: Creighton Edsell PSU dec. Robert Detars IND, 10-5
165: Konner Kraeszig PSU dec. Sammy Cokely IND, 13-7
Maybe both he and Moran bumped up to 149? 🤷‍♂️
 
I'm going to make a prediction: We will have out best team possible come Tourney season. It likely won't be because of the insights of this board though. I'm prepared to cheer on any of the guys for their own unique journey. I'm partial to Gardner and at least the idea of Bartlett--but I suspect that C3 has a better idea than I do. Verkleeren's style isn't the most fun to watch, but it's a proven path to wins for many people--keep it close, make your move late. He won a Cadet World Championship that way. Others have won big tourneys the same way. You can't say he doesn't have good defense, that's for sure.

I am devastated to learn chats on websites don't change the world. Now you are going tell professional wrestling isn't professional. :rolleyes:
 
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Bartlett is not a 149 lber. Yes he’s good still a freshman, probably a true 33 and not big enough to handle 149 good kids. Question i have where is boone thought he would be around 149.
 
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Sorry if someone has covered this, I did not read the entire thread.

Bartlett getting matches at both weights fit perfect in my mind. Lee/Bartlett are the 2 best on PSU roster 141 and 149, so with Covid-19 protocol, an athlete will lose 17 days with a positive test, so if Lee test positive and cant make bigs then Bartlett goes 141 if Lee is good come Bigs then Bartlett goes 149. Either way it is my believe that Bartlett will wrestle the post season. I agree with those who think Lee at 149 is a better line-up, but I also believe that Nick has earned the right to wrestle his weight!

I also think that RBY at 125(if he can hold) and Howard at 133 is the best line-up. But nobody knows these kids like the PSY Staff----just have faith.

Also--look back the past several years--PSU always has a SO SO showing in January--it is all part of the training cycle and this year is not any different.

Is RBY certified at 125?
 
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