2018-19 Sixers Thread
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Sixers sending Butler to heat in sign and trade and Horford just signed with sixers
4year $109 M
4year $109 M
Okay. This is interesting. Not what I was hoping would happen but not a complete disaster either.
I sure hope this works out. I don't know about Horford at 33 if he was worth the money. I still have concerns about a 3 point shooter.
What do you think of Josh Richardson? Seems to have gotten significantly better each year and is only 25. Averaged almost 17 lPts ast year.
Late bloomer; he not only increased his scoring last year but also his rebounds and assists. Really like the 86% FT shooting.
Nice addition.
He plays SG and SF. He's a good defender, which is important, as Butler was their best defender on the perimeter. As you mention, he's young (which was a concern with Jimmy, especially if he insisted on the 5-year max). Plus, he's got a good shot, which has gotten better during his NBA career.
I wonder if it's a straight-up sign and trade, with Jimmy going to the Heat, and Richardson coming to the Sixers. The terms of the trade haven't been released by either team, or the league. If that's all there is to it, I'm surprised the Sixers didn't get more for Butler. They seemed to have more leverage than did the Heat or Butler.
If there's no other players as part of the trade, then the Sixers need to get another shooter. They lost Redick and Butler, and replaced that with Richardson. I'd love to be surprised, but I don't expect Richardson to totally replace the outside O of Redick and Butler, and I question how much of a jumper Simmons can develop this offseason.
It is interesting to note that Butler did not sign a 5-year deal with the Sixers, and then get traded to the Heat. He signed a 4-year deal. That's a surprise to me, as he's leaving a lot of $$ on the table, and I don't see the Heat contending with the top teams in the East.
Under the new CBA Butler can not sign the 5 year max with Sixers and then be traded. Only the 4 year max. Still a surprise he left the extra money on the table.
thanks for the clarification. I didn't not know that the CBA prevented players from signing a max contract, and then getting traded.
I guess it shows that Jimmy wanted off the Sixers, as he certainly could have gotten more $$ from the Sixers than with any other team.
The word so far was the Sixers were offering Butler the max but he wanted to go to the Heat. So, sign and trade to get at least one asset in return. They did not let him walk.
As it currently stands Richardson and Horford is the return for Butler.
I'm not sure I follow. The Sixers could have offered him the max. We don't know if they did or did not. However, even if they offered him the max, Butler was under no obligation to sign it. That was the leverage Jimmy had over the Sixers. He could have signed with anybody, provided they had the cap space. The Heat didn't have the space, so they needed to do a trade-and-sign deal with the Sixers to enable them to land Jimmy. If Jimmy wanted to go to another team, a trade-and-sign is better for the Sixers than Jimmy just signing with a team that had cap space, as they'd go no competition in that scenario.
Adding Horford eliminates the giant hole on defense when Embiid sits. That alone is worth a lot. Richardson is a younger Butler. Not as good, but similar abilities. And maybe a better shooter. I don’t like the starting five because I’d rather see Horford as the sixth man but still get starter minutes. Depends what other pieces Philly can sign. And how well the last two first rounders fit in the rotation.
The way I understood it, Philly only wanted Richardson. And three other players need traded elsewhere.
Yes, the Sixers didn't want to take any more salary back so they could do the Horford deal. But Miami can't do the deal until they shed salary. So a third team is needed to finalize the deal (and take salary from Miami). Mavs were originally the team, but supposedly have backed out.
All I heard form the talking heads the last two weeks is if the Sixer offered Jimmy the 5 year 180 million max he would stay, then yesterday some reporters(Woj) say they only offered 3 year max deal to Jimmy. I was just wondering why you give Tobias the max 5 year deal and not Jimmy if your are star hunting. Reading now that Jimmy was not good in the locker room that is why 76ers were only offering 3 year max, Makes sense now.
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Because the Sixers didn't really want to keep Butler (read as chemistry issues if you choose). All along I think they postured as they want to keep him in order to get a sign and trade worked out. Just my opinion based on reading a lot of tweets, so take it for what it is -- a compilation of rumors.
Harris is younger, still improving and is a quality guy in the locker room. He's probably overpaid, but the Sixers didn't want to lose him. So they paid the man.
Now finish off the Butler deal, sign a few bench guys to finish out the roster and get Simmons extended.
Some thoughts.
- most of the talking heads are nothing more than fans speculating
- Butler did not confide in anyone what his plans were. He's been evasive for months as to what he planned to do when FA hit
- the few talking heads that seemed to have inside info did caution that Butler's situation was pretty fluid
- there is some belief that the Sixers overpaid for Tobias. He played really well for a stretch in the regular season, but didn't play as well in the playoffs. It did appear that when Jimmy and he were on the court, there weren't a lot of plays run for him, or in areas where he was used to getting the ball. Perhaps he'll thrive without Butler on the court
- star hunting? The Sixers are trying to win a championship. They were so, so close to getting to the Finals this year. I suspect they'll add whomever they think will get them to the final/enable them to win a final, regardless of what star reputation they bring to the table
- also, keep in mind that there have been rumblings from Minny that Butler wasn't a great influence in the lockerroom, and some muted comments suggesting as much from Philadelphia. It's hard to tell how true those reports are; I'm just mentioning them. However, the Sixers and Jimmy got to try out each other for half a season, and at the end of the experience, either 1 side of the equation, or both sides, wanted to move on. Butler seemed to indicate that the only reason he wanted out of Minny was because he wanted to win a ring. He's a lot further from that in Miami than he was in Philadelphia
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