Wrestling 2022 NCAA Championships Results and Discussion threads

[tullfan68]

Well I guess we'll see who places higher. Oh....wait

well kerk has a team title this weekend so he is better!LOL

 

[diggerpup]

NCAA Finalists:
Ohio State 0

Not how we would have handled it.

 

[McScoreley]

This all started based on a post about Kerk being the 2nd best HWY this year. I just pointed out he’s 0-3 against Cass, imcluding 0-2 this year when Kerk has been healthy. If you still think he’s better that’s your prerogative.

I think Schultz has earned the right to be called the 2nd best heavy this year. He's undefeated and beat Parris (so there's his quality win) I think the Top 4 are going to be close next year though.

 

[McScoreley]

Not how we would have handled it.

Great teams win in the semifinals but that must mean they hate each other. You can't have those kind of results without hating each other.

Great programs love each other.

 

[El-Jefe]

Lewan gets Carr in the consolation semis. Carr hasn't looked great, but has managed to win four straight in the backside bracket. Teemer and Robb are on the other side.

Amine gets Hamiti. Wick and Marinelli are on the other side.

Massa gets Kemerer, who despite the injured wing has won two straight in the consolations. Hidlay and Plott are on the other side.

Parris gets Kerk. The winner of that match may be the favorite for 3rd place. Wood and Davison are on the other side.

That's a tough road for Lewan and Amine, though these two usually wrestle close matches. Massa may have a slightly easier path, given Kemerer's injury. The toughest match for Parris is probably Kerk.

Here's the math for Session 5:

PSU’s Magic Number = 23.0 to win outright.

Michigan has 4 wrestlers in consi semis (Lewan, Amine, Massa, Parris).
For each of them, the Magic Number could be reduced by as much as 8.0 pts, as follows:
- Finish 3rd: Magic Number reduced by bonus points lost (0.5 to 4.0 pts)
- Finish 4th: Magic Number reduced by 1.0 + bonus points lost
- Finish 5th: Magic Number reduced by 3.0 + bonus points lost
- Finish 6th: Magic Number reduced by 4.0 + bonus points lost

Additionally, PSU has 1 wrestler in consi semis (Kerk). He could cut the Magic Number by as much as 8.0 pts:
- Finish 3rd: Magic Number reduced by 4.0 + bonus points gained (0.5 to 4.0)
- Finish 4th: Magic Number reduced by 3.0 + bonus points gained
- Finish 5th: Magic Number reduced by 1.0 + bonus points gained
- Finish 6th: No change to Magic Number

If Lewan and Parris finish 5th, Amine 4th, Massa 3rd, Kerk 3rd, all with no bonus -- then the Magic Number drops by 27.0 out of a needed 23.0 pts --> PSU clinches tomorrow morning.

IMO that's a little generous toward Michigan. I would pick Hamiti (though he's never faced Lewan). And Kemerer beat Massa this year -- this obviously depends on his shoulder, but it is the first match of the day.

 

[El-Jefe]

I think Schultz has earned the right to be called the 2nd best heavy this year. He's undefeated and beat Parris (so there's his quality win) I think the Top 4 are going to be close next year though.

Your logic is sound -- not much to argue there.

Now I need to go shower in bleach.

 

[jmadden1998]

Iowa's looking good, jmadden. I see big things!

 

[The Japanese Whizzer]

Is Northwestern really 6th? Outstanding by them.

My disappointment is NCST. Really thought they would push for a high podium spot in the team race. But I guess the Hidlays running into our guys tonight put a damper on that.

Hey PAgeologist give it up for McCoy, sophomore D5 kid ACC runnerup and making it to the blood round

 

[Cali_Nittany]

Just came to say that Nick Lee is so damn good. I'm not gonna lie, I didn't think Woods would win, but nobody is unbeatable--and I was hoping Cenzo had the secret for Woods. Lee just doesn't break position, and Woods wasn't able to get any offense going at all.


Also seems like some of that Cenzo magic came through for Griffith against Wick. 0-3 against Wick throughout the season, but got the win in March at the damn buzzer when it counted the most!


Looking forward to watching all of the PSU guys tomorrow night.

Good to see you back! I must admit, I was rooting for Wick (my oldest goes to Cal Poly) but wow, Griffith was clutch.

 

[PAgeologist]

Hey PAgeologist give it up for McCoy, sophomore D5 kid ACC runnerup and making it to the blood round

Absolutely. For a district that hasn't produced many D1 athletes in any sport he certainly stands out. And probably the best ever from Ridge. I was really hoping for an AA finish for Justin, but 165 was a real meat grinder.

Hope Justin eventually finds his way home and helps with the Ridge program.

 

[tikk10]

My favorite part of shooting the NCAAs is the semis. The mats open up and photographers have the best seats in the house, unlike the earlier rounds when you're often shooting across mats.

Haven't processed everything just yet but matside tonight was a pretty special place to be.

 

[RB-Old]

I figure MI wins at 125 and 184 tonight but that's it. If PSU pulls off 5 finalists this will be over.

I'm not smart but I do know what I've seen and how to make a prediction.

 

[RB-Old]

I hope Suriano gets his ass handed to him tomorrow night. Knock that swagger BULLSHIT out of him.

Vito would have creamed him, Glory is a much easier assignment for him.

 

[WreslingFan0314]

Gable is The Olympic champ, as a family we love him. Our kids have competed for years against each other as training partners. His brother Bobby is an amazing young man along with Gable. At the end of the day it was two Minnesota kids leaving it all out there. The Kerkvliet’s want Gable and Greg Jr to Win!

Greg jr dad.

Indiana is still staking partial claim to Gable. 😉

 

[SWPA]

HR theory (and I've seen it posted here recently also) Apparently Gable takes it easy on Kerk because they're friends.

Come Friday, Marinelli must be the friendliest guy out there, 4 years running.

 

[Cali_Nittany]

My favorite part of shooting the NCAAs is the semis. The mats open up and photographers have the best seats in the house, unlike the earlier rounds when you're often shooting across mats.

Haven't processed everything just yet but matside tonight was a pretty special place to be.

Epic

 

[Verolion]

Just came to say that Nick Lee is so damn good. I'm not gonna lie, I didn't think Woods would win, but nobody is unbeatable--and I was hoping Cenzo had the secret for Woods. Lee just doesn't break position, and Woods wasn't able to get any offense going at all.


Also seems like some of that Cenzo magic came through for Griffith against Wick. 0-3 against Wick throughout the season, but got the win in March at the damn buzzer when it counted the most!


Looking forward to watching all of the PSU guys tomorrow night.

I thought it was great Nick came over and hugged Cenzo after the match. I do believe that match close because of Cenzo.

 

[nitlion6]

Here's the math for Session 5:

PSU’s Magic Number = 23.0 to win outright.

Michigan has 4 wrestlers in consi semis (Lewan, Amine, Massa, Parris).
For each of them, the Magic Number could be reduced by as much as 8.0 pts, as follows:
- Finish 3rd: Magic Number reduced by bonus points lost (0.5 to 4.0 pts)
- Finish 4th: Magic Number reduced by 1.0 + bonus points lost
- Finish 5th: Magic Number reduced by 3.0 + bonus points lost
- Finish 6th: Magic Number reduced by 4.0 + bonus points lost

Additionally, PSU has 1 wrestler in consi semis (Kerk). He could cut the Magic Number by as much as 8.0 pts:
- Finish 3rd: Magic Number reduced by 4.0 + bonus points gained (0.5 to 4.0)
- Finish 4th: Magic Number reduced by 3.0 + bonus points gained
- Finish 5th: Magic Number reduced by 1.0 + bonus points gained
- Finish 6th: No change to Magic Number

If Lewan and Parris finish 5th, Amine 4th, Massa 3rd, Kerk 3rd, all with no bonus -- then the Magic Number drops by 27.0 out of a needed 23.0 pts --> PSU clinches tomorrow morning.

IMO that's a little generous toward Michigan. I would pick Hamiti (though he's never faced Lewan). And Kemerer beat Massa this year -- this obviously depends on his shoulder, but it is the first match of the day.

In the first round of conscis this morning the winner get the 3 additional place pts plus 0.5 point for advancement and the placement match winner gets 1 additional placement point. 3rd placer picks up 4.5 points plus any bonus. So the point swing would be 28.5. Same point though.

By the way, Happy Anniversary.

 

[LOTOlion]

This is true. Crazy how this breaks down. Kerk beats Parris. Cass beats Kerk. Parris beats Cass. None beat Gable but Kerk wrestled him the closest of the three.

That’s just because they are friends. /s

 

[dunkej01]

This all started based on a post about Kerk being the 2nd best HWY this year. I just pointed out he’s 0-3 against Cass, imcluding 0-2 this year when Kerk has been healthy. If you still think he’s better that’s your prerogative.

sometimes your fire fighting isnt needed. So what if a guy says kerk is the 2nd best.

everyone on here knows he is 0-3 against cass.

let @lonewolfe do the fire fighting.

#knowyourlaneandstayinit

 

[dunkej01]

Yup.

Kind of like all the angst about the backside paths for our guys when the seeds came out.

You summed it up very well before - the best backside path is to stay on the front side as long as possible. Although a lot of our posters seem to forget that, Cael and company have that figured out.

Bump

Just in case it was forgotten

 

[07mantle]

Probably 3rd

And will Brands and Iowa team be ‘good sports’ and accept their trophy or shake hands with anyone like they didn’t do at the Christmas tournament in Florida … bush league!

 

[donboy6499]

Here's the math for Session 5:

PSU’s Magic Number = 23.0 to win outright.

Michigan has 4 wrestlers in consi semis (Lewan, Amine, Massa, Parris).
For each of them, the Magic Number could be reduced by as much as 8.0 pts, as follows:
- Finish 3rd: Magic Number reduced by bonus points lost (0.5 to 4.0 pts)
- Finish 4th: Magic Number reduced by 1.0 + bonus points lost
- Finish 5th: Magic Number reduced by 3.0 + bonus points lost
- Finish 6th: Magic Number reduced by 4.0 + bonus points lost

Additionally, PSU has 1 wrestler in consi semis (Kerk). He could cut the Magic Number by as much as 8.0 pts:
- Finish 3rd: Magic Number reduced by 4.0 + bonus points gained (0.5 to 4.0)
- Finish 4th: Magic Number reduced by 3.0 + bonus points gained
- Finish 5th: Magic Number reduced by 1.0 + bonus points gained
- Finish 6th: No change to Magic Number

If Lewan and Parris finish 5th, Amine 4th, Massa 3rd, Kerk 3rd, all with no bonus -- then the Magic Number drops by 27.0 out of a needed 23.0 pts --> PSU clinches tomorrow morning.

IMO that's a little generous toward Michigan. I would pick Hamiti (though he's never faced Lewan). And Kemerer beat Massa this year -- this obviously depends on his shoulder, but it is the first match of the day.

God’s work, sir.

 

[donboy6499]

Well, they can build smaller trophy cases for those. Brands bros are saving the school money. Amongst all his other qualities, Tom is fiscally responsible.

Those guys, so unselfish.

 

[82bordeaux]

They’ll be talking about that 4NF forever in IC. Archaeologists will use it as proof that the Iowa wrestling team was in Detroit this weekend.

I told the Iowa fans next to us that they don't have to sell their Saturday night tickets now...
At least I thought it was funny.

 

[johnstownsteel]

Wanted to sleep in but just couldn’t. …The excitement is too much to bear. That, I wanted to reach out to Kem before action resumes and warn him that Massa is coming for him…

 

[donboy6499]

I told the Iowa fans next to us that they don't have to sell their Saturday night tickets now...
At least I thought it was funny.

That’s funny, and just about came true.
It’s very funny that PSU is going to win over Iowa even if you throw in Spencer’s max possible. In fact It’s downright hilarious.

 

[razpsu]

cant wait to hear those 2 iowa clowns tell us how they should have won but got screwed by the refs everyone stalled against them etc etc etc it willl be funny as hell!

Did you see brands go crazy on the other teams medical timeout. He was dancing and yelling with his arm like a clock saying let’s go. Funny because brands has made the medical timeout an art form.

 

[donboy6499]

Wanted to sleep in but just couldn’t. …The excitement is too much to bear. That, I wanted to reach out to Kem before action resumes and warn him that Massa is coming for him…

God’s work, sir.

 

[Random4598375]

dean vs Warner. What did they do in the past

Dude, you need to start following wrestling before March.

LMAO, right? All he did was clinch the most important dual match of the season between the top two teams in the country. LOL.

 

[PSUcup1]

I assume they will start at 125 tonight so Gable can end by leaving the shoes on the mat …. Anyone know if this is the case?

TIA

 

[Ski]

Wanted to sleep in but just couldn’t. …The excitement is too much to bear. That, I wanted to reach out to Kem before action resumes and warn him that Massa is coming for him…

Hope you stocked up on the Vale Wood Dairy strawberry milk!

 

[Cstroke]

Any word on Marinelli's hand?

 

[CSauertiegPSU]

I assume they will start at 125 tonight so Gable can end by leaving the shoes on the mat …. Anyone know if this is the case?

TIA

Correct

 

[NittanyChris]

Most impressive thing to me on the night was the way Carter absolutely manhandled a great wrestler in H Hidlay. The outcome was never in doubt. I know Lewis is a stud but if Carter wrestles like that tonight, I’m feeling really good about the outcome.

 

[dunkej01]

I assume they will start at 125 tonight so Gable can end by leaving the shoes on the mat …. Anyone know if this is the case?

TIA

I haven't seen it officially but a couple in the know folks are saying this.

He's going to take his shoes off and ESPiN wants a dramatic moment.

 

[diggerpup]

LMAO, right? All he did was clinch the most important dual match of the season between the top two teams in the country. LOL.

Same poster has been posting mostly nonsense all tourney - and it’s obvious he blew off both the PSU v Iowa and PSU v tOSU meets.

 

[PSUer1989]

Here's the math for Session 5:

PSU’s Magic Number = 23.0 to win outright.

Michigan has 4 wrestlers in consi semis (Lewan, Amine, Massa, Parris).
For each of them, the Magic Number could be reduced by as much as 8.0 pts, as follows:
- Finish 3rd: Magic Number reduced by bonus points lost (0.5 to 4.0 pts)
- Finish 4th: Magic Number reduced by 1.0 + bonus points lost
- Finish 5th: Magic Number reduced by 3.0 + bonus points lost
- Finish 6th: Magic Number reduced by 4.0 + bonus points lost

Additionally, PSU has 1 wrestler in consi semis (Kerk). He could cut the Magic Number by as much as 8.0 pts:
- Finish 3rd: Magic Number reduced by 4.0 + bonus points gained (0.5 to 4.0)
- Finish 4th: Magic Number reduced by 3.0 + bonus points gained
- Finish 5th: Magic Number reduced by 1.0 + bonus points gained
- Finish 6th: No change to Magic Number

If Lewan and Parris finish 5th, Amine 4th, Massa 3rd, Kerk 3rd, all with no bonus -- then the Magic Number drops by 27.0 out of a needed 23.0 pts --> PSU clinches tomorrow morning.

IMO that's a little generous toward Michigan. I would pick Hamiti (though he's never faced Lewan). And Kemerer beat Massa this year -- this obviously depends on his shoulder, but it is the first match of the day.

I am glad there are people much smarter than me to do the math here! I cannot figure tournament scoring out. Is every tournament scored the same? I can’t keep track backside advancement points (and bonus points) so I just wait for someone in here to explain it to me like I am 5😁

 

[Shifty15]

There's no "I" in Suriano. Wait, there is.

Appropriately placed right in the middle!!

 

[CSauertiegPSU]

Down to the nitty gritty of the last day of the NCAA Tournament!

Penn State comes into this session with a chance to sew up the team title! The scenarios, from the ever-incredible @IndyLion1, are below. Wrestlers will have two matches this morning regardless of how their first matches go, so there are a lot of moving parts, but Michigan would need nothing short of an absolutely miracle at this point to keep Penn State from taking its spot back atop the podium.

TV: ESPNU
Streaming: ESPN App/ESPN.com
Audio: https://gopsusports.com/watch/?Archive=7685&sport=30&type=Archive
Brackets/Tournament Hub: https://www.trackwrestling.com/pred...ents/TournamentHub.jsp&twSessionId=uokgzcxmod

Team Standings
Team	Points	Maximum Potential Points	# F	# Cons Semi	# 3rd-4th	# 5th-6th	# 7th-8th
Penn State	108	146.5	5	1
Michigan	84.5	130.5	2	4

PSU starts tomorrow with a 23.5 point lead!

Finals - win and get 4 placement points plus bonus
Penn State has 5 wrestlers in the finals. PSU will be favored by seeding in 4 of 5 finals matches
Michigan has 2 wrestlers in the finals. Michigan is favored in 2 or 2 finals matches.

125:
#1 Suriano, MICH vs #3 Pat Glory

133:
#1 RBY vs #2 Daton Fix

141:
#1 Nick Lee vs #15 Kizhan Clarke, UNC

174:
#1 CStar vs #2 Lewis, VT

184:
#1 Amine, Mich vs #2 Brooks, Penn State

197:
#1 Max Dean vs #6 Warner, Iowa

If PSU wins 4 finals matches and Michigan wins 2, PSU will gain 8 more points on Michigan

Consolations:
Penn State has 1 wrestle in consolation semi-finals (Kerk). He is wrestling Mason Parris. Kerk has beat Parris twice this year. If Kerk wins, he will get 3 placement points + 0.5 advancement + bonus and Parris will be limited to only 1 placement point + bonus in the 5th place match. Go Kerk and get to 3rd. If we wins 3rd, that is another placement point.

Michigan has 3 other wrestlers in consolation semi-finals. Same has Kerk above, max scoring is 4.5 + bonus points to win both matches and place 3rd.

Michigan's max score in consolations is 34 more points. All 4 wrestlers win both matches by pin.

157: #8 WIll Lewan vs #1 David Carr
165: #6 Amine vs #4 Dean Hamiti, WIS
174: #3 Massa vs #5 Kemerer, Iowa (one last time to cheer for Mikey Kemerer!
285: Kerk vs Parris. Go Kerk!!!

If Kerk places 3rd, PSU scores 4.5 more points.
Say Michigan wins 2 of the remaining 3 and places 3rd with 4 bonus points + a 5th place finish, Michigan will add 14 points.

Penn State 128.5
Michigan 107.5

If we only have 2 champions:
Penn State 120.5
Michigan 107.5