Wrestling 2022 NCAA Championships Results and Discussion threads
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It would be more dramatic if he lost.
Thanks Clay! Let's all sit back and enjoy today. Today is the last time we will see Nick Lee and possibly RBY wrestling for PSU. Also no more PSU wrestling until late November.
Get your beverage of choice we may be toasting early today!
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We ARE!
Coffee. Lots of coffee.
If you want some help:
The team score at any point in time includes advancement points earned, bonus points earned and placement points earned.
Placement points earned is based on what place the wrestler would finish if they lost the rest of their matches.
A wrestler that loses in the semifinals and then loses in the consolation semifinals and then loses in the 5th place match takes 6th. A wrestler that wins in the semifinals is guaranteed at least 2nd place. The difference between 2nd and 6th is 6 team points. That plus an advancement point is why each semifinal win is worth 7 team points.
Advancement is worth 1 team point in the championship bracket and 0.5 team points in the wrestlebacks. There is no advancement once you’re in a placement match.
A fall earns 2 bonus points. A TF earns 1.5 bonus points. A major earns 1 bonus point. No matter where.
1st place is 16 team points.
2nd is 12.
3rd is 10.
4th is 9.
5th is 7.
6th is 6.
7th is 4.
8th is 3.
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This is a really good guide to tournament scoring:
A Guide to NCAA Wrestling Tournament Scoring
Wrestling tournaments are equal parts intensity, exhaustion management, and absolute chaos. It is difficult to tell exactly what is going on at a given moment in the first day and a half of the NCAA wrestling tournament. With 6 mats on the floor and multiple wrestlers in action, you are going to...
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The only thing it doesn't mention: placement points are awarded live when each minimum placement is achieved -- not at the end when final placement is known.
For example: Penn State's team score already includes 12 pts per finalist, because they've already clinched 2nd. Each finals victory will earn the 4-pt differential (16 for 1st minus 12 for 2nd), plus applicable bonus.
It also includes 6th place points for Kerk, since he cannot finish below that. Those points were added when he won in the quarters, since reaching the semis clinches 6th place.
Hope this helps!
@PSUer1989, yes all college wrestling tourny's are scored the same. See @mcpat and @El-Jefe post for more details on scoring.
such a long bus ride to detroit and average refs. pin chain and robe were forgotten in columbus
We’ve certainly had more dominant wrestlers than Nick Lee but he is, by far, my favorite wrestler ever to watch.
A master clinician of all positions and non-stop action / attempt to improve. Never satisfied with the current score. Always going for the fall as the primary objective, the TF if the fall isn’t there and the major even when it’s not there.
Sure - he occasionally makes a mistake, but those mistakes only occur in the effort to improve.
He’s what all young wrestlers should emulate in wrestling style, IMO.
Top that off with humility and respect for his opponents, coaches and the sport as a whole.
please, please, please no angel rivera on mat for 133 tonight
Nick Lee is definitely at the top of my list of favorite, non-Hawkeye wrestlers, for all of the exact reasons you mentioned
Lewan vs Carr - advantage Carr
Amine vs Hamiti - push slight edge Hamiti
Massa vs Kemerer - push
Parris vs Kerkvliet - advantage Kerk
That coukd be a lot of 5/6 matches.
I am thinking if things break correctly...
Thank you for this. I’m a CPA/CFP and I never could understand all of this. So, to ask a question, you can take 2nd and score more team points than the kid who beat you in the finals if 2nd place kid has 2 Falls and a MD while kid who takes 1st place just wins by decisions?
Very much so for me. Thanks for everything you do for this board. Your PA high school stuff was ++.This is a really good guide to tournament scoring:
A Guide to NCAA Wrestling Tournament Scoring
Wrestling tournaments are equal parts intensity, exhaustion management, and absolute chaos. It is difficult to tell exactly what is going on at a given moment in the first day and a half of the NCAA wrestling tournament. With 6 mats on the floor and multiple wrestlers in action, you are going to...pistolsfiringblog.com
The only thing it doesn't mention: placement points are awarded live when each minimum placement is achieved -- not at the end when final placement is known.
For example: Penn State's team score already includes 12 pts per finalist, because they've already clinched 2nd. Each finals victory will earn the 4-pt differential (16 for 1st minus 12 for 2nd), plus applicable bonus.
It also includes 6th place points for Kerk, since he cannot finish below that. Those points were added when he won in the quarters, since reaching the semis clinches 6th place.
Hope this helps!
Love Byers but hope he can properly prioritize today. I had to spend half last nights session on the road with my son, and he spent 80% of the time for 157 and 165 commentating on matches with no significance to us - offhandedly mentioning that Lewan or Amine was down. I was ready to drive into a ditch with the suspense. I had to discern what happened a few times from (lack of home) crowd noise or the PA announcer.
Probably need to spend most of the medal round on audio, so hopefully the focus is on the Michigan matches.
Probably need to spend most of the medal round on audio, so hopefully the focus is on the Michigan matches.
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1st place with no bonus is 20 team points. (16 placement points + 4 advancement points.)
2nd place with no bonus is 16 team points. (12 placement points + 4 advancement points.)
It takes 4 wins to take second. If you score more than 4 bonus points in those 4 wins, you’d out (team) score a champ with no bonus.
So yes - 2 falls and a major on the way to 2nd would out (team) score 1st place with no bonus 21-20.
It’s why the team score typically remains in doubt as long as it does. There are more matches in wrestlebacks and theoretically more chances at coveted bonus points.
Theoretically, Kerk could still collect 4 more bonus points (2 falls), 4 more placement points and 0.5 more advancement points. If he would, he’d outscore a 2nd place finish to Steveson had he been on the other side of the bracket and had his path otherwise been the same except a win by decision in the semifinals.
Cox in the booth for this session. On time too.
Nigh Shift Brewing’s “Bennington”. Oatmeal Stout with Maple Syrup and Dutch-Processed Cocoa.
Sipping on that while having some maple sausage. 👍🏻
Looking for whom to root for? Myers is a central pa kid. Mid Penn Conference; District 3. Boiling Springs.
Welp… time to switch over to ESPN+. Unbelievable when the main broadcast decides to go to commercial break.
Quite a few PA guys looking to Medal. I was hoping for Cole Matthews to give us a Pitt/Penn State 141 final…
It’s always good to see any of the PA guys doing well.
It’s always good to see any of the PA guys doing well.
So as far as team race, it really starts at 157 today, correct, with 157, 165, 174 (go Michael!) and 285 being of high interest?
DeAugustino looks like he just came from a 5-year mission in a remote region of the Yukon wilderness.
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