Wrestling 2022 NCAA Championships Results and Discussion threads

[johnstownsteel]

Rewatching the finals. Now that I know Carter has a broken hand I find myself look at some of the finer things during his match. I noticed at about 1:10 left in the 3rd, Mekhi got to his feet and was prying off the grip of Carters injured hand.. You can really see Carter grimacing in pain trying to hold on. Kid toughed that match out for sure!

 

[GEEKMEDIC]

Must be Iowa fans sitting directly behind Cael and Casey

 

[El-Jefe]

Rewatching the finals. Now that I know Carter has a broken hand I find myself look at some of the finer things during his match. I noticed at about 1:10 left in the 3rd, Mekhi got to his feet and was prying off the grip of Carters injured hand.. You can really see Carter grimacing in pain trying to hold on. Kid toughed that match out for sure!

Also on Lewis' first shot, Carter defending with a shin whizzer using his broken hand.

I can't imagine sustaining a grip with a broken hand for any period of time.

 

[Cali_Nittany]

Schultz should have come out wearing a Donald Duck suit. I was hoping Gable would tech him. Then he never attempted a shot for 7 minutes. Still PO'd he got the 2 seed and ducked Greg.

Zeke should've been wearing the duck suit. It wasn't Schultz's decision to not wrestle Kerk.

 

[PAfanski]

2023:
125: Howard 5th 10 points
133: Bravo-Young 1st 24.5 points
141: Bartlett 5th 10 points
149: Van Ness 3rd 14.5 points
157: Haines 1st 22 points
165: Facundo 7th 6.5 points
174: Starocci 1st 23.5 points
184: Brooks 1st 22 points
197: Dean 1st 22 points
HWT: Kerkvliet 1st 23 points

Penn State 1st 178 points

Brooks and Dean are slacking in your forecast

 

[nitlion6]

you see Bob Suriano in the background front row, off yellow shirt, slick backed hair. Next to vixen with long black hair

Bob is already planning Nick's next transfer and how Bob will profit. Yes I know Nick is out of eligibility, but part of Bob's plan is a lawsuit demanding 2 more years.

 

[footestomper]

Per Byers, under Cael Sanderson, PSU has averaged 3.5 Finalists per year. Unbelievable.

Cael now moves into #3 all time with 9 titles.

I count 45 finalists in the 11 tournaments back to, and including 2011, for an average of 4.1!
If you include 2010, then it's 47 finalists in 12 tournaments, for 3.9.

Since 2011, PSU has been 45-5 in the semi's (as noted on the broadcast). I looked up those 45 finalists and their finals record is 32-13 (71%). Over the past 5 years (without Taylor and Ruth) they have been an amazing 21-3.

 

[nitlion6]

No stalls

Cael told them Rivera had to go first and be done.

 

[nitlion6]

Baffles me when I go over to HR to appreciate Kem and then I just see them saying RBY biggest staller they've ever seen... yet overlooking the fact RBY scored as many points through the semis as ADS did, right? Hilarious!

HR ain't the brightest. As a matter of fact, it is unlawful to even use bright in a sentence with HR unless you also use "ain't".

 

[mcpat]

A lot of discussion, as per usual, about how PSU wins on recruiting alone. And while it is true that PSU recruits well, so does Iowa. Someone please correct me, but Marinelli, Kemerer and Warner were just as highly touted as recruits as several of our guys that won championships last night. That’s not a knock on them; instead I think it serves as an indication of how good our coaches and support staff are.

Maybe someone with access to historical recruiting rankings can do some sort of comparison of what % of top 10 recruits become champions at each school.

Edit: I believe Cass was a very high recruit too

 

[PD4thespawn]

HR ain't the brightest. As a matter of fact, it is unlawful to even use bright in a sentence with HR unless you also use "ain't".

It's allright they don't read to good no how

 

[98lberEating2Lunches]

build an unassailable Dynasty at PSU off the overwhelming strength of the Pennsylvania wrestling... and that is precisely what he proceeded to do

For sure Cael recognized the untapped potential of Penn State wrestling in the heart of the greatest wrestling state.

But Cael has also graciously recognized the foundation as being laid by Coach Lorenzo's vision for an Olympic RTC and Ira Lubert's financial support. Cael similarly recognizes his father, family, and upbringing for his personal foundation.

I believe these factors contribute much more to Penn State and it's recent wrestling performance. I credit these factors for attracting the wrestlers we've come to admire and for whom we have been privileged to provide our support.

 

[nitlion6]

His son will want Spencer to go up to 133 to crush him

At 133, with RBY back Spencer would be biting off more than he could chew.

 

[Roar More]

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My, how empty the stands were for a final. As an aside, my favorite all time ref officiated the match. He was always consistent and fair. Fred something?

 

[tomsc]

I believe if the ref determines he headgear grab helped turn Hoffman the back points go off the board also.

That would be interesting, because

I believe if the ref determines he headgear grab helped turn Hoffman the back points go off the board also.

That would be interesting if the points went off the board as well. Bastida had already earned 4 back points before he grabbed Hoffman's headgear (Hoffman was fighting so hard for so long that Bastida looked to get a little extra leverage). Would they take off the already earned 4 points as part of the penalty? I don't think so.

 

[tullfan68]

no they wont still eierman!!LOL

LOL I see their ranking are still messed losers are still number 1!!wtf

 

[nitlion6]

Cant wait for the David Carr era in blue and white

David spent a lot of time this past summer wrestling in Lorenzo and M2, and I was really hoping he was going to end up in blue and white this year.
Now with Levi pacing around his cage devouring dozens of raw steaks at a time, I like what we have.
Besides that, I really want ISU to beat Iowa.

 

[tullfan68]

Rewatching the finals. Now that I know Carter has a broken hand I find myself look at some of the finer things during his match. I noticed at about 1:10 left in the 3rd, Mekhi got to his feet and was prying off the grip of Carters injured hand.. You can really see Carter grimacing in pain trying to hold on. Kid toughed that match out for sure!

well we all know by the end of the season all teams have lots of injuries just that iowa likes to make excuses other teams dont!!

 

[Roar More]

A lot of discussion, as per usual, about how PSU wins on recruiting alone. And while it is true that PSU recruits well, so does Iowa. Someone please correct me, but Marinelli, Kemerer and Warner were just as highly touted as recruits as several of our guys that won championships last night. That’s not a knock on them; instead I think it serves as an indication of how good our coaches and support staff are.

Maybe someone with access to historical recruiting rankings can do some sort of comparison of what % of top 10 recruits become champions at each school.

If recruiting was all it took, wouldn't Ohio State be enjoying their dynasty?

 

[nitlion6]

They are a bitter bunch over there tonight.

Tonight?

 

[dicemen99]

That would be interesting, because

That would be interesting if the points went off the board as well. Bastida had already earned 4 back points before he grabbed Hoffman's headgear (Hoffman was fighting so hard for so long that Bastida looked to get a little extra leverage). Would they take off the already earned 4 points as part of the penalty?

No. If the points were earned before the penalty occurred they stay. So much ado about nothing. Kind of like:

• the Dean 2 point NF non-call. He's likely winning anyway. Of course, there is one arithmetically-challenged guy over on HR (jrt-something?) who has stated a number of times that Dean actually lost if you count the NF.
• AB top-stalling, of course conveniently overlooking that AB scores off the only two offensive moves in the match until giving up a last-second TD to Amine when the match was over.
• Then non-TD call for Mekhi that Beckham and others were on fire about, despite the announcers pointing out that the main ref was on the other side of the mat with a bad view, and it rolled into an immediate replay that worked exactly how it was supposed to work.
• Comments about RBY stalling, while conveniently overlooking the fact that he took about twice as many committed attacks as both ADS and Fix in his final three matches against them and scored TDs in each.

We wrestled really well in this tournament, our wrestlers were the warriors and champs that all of the opposing fanbases hope to see from their guys (many others were warriors, but only five non-PSU guys ended up champs and likely only four that people were rooting for.) For lots of people, that is too difficult to swallow, especially coming along with the ridiculous numbers like 45-5 and 21-3 and 11 in a row.

 

[mn78psu83]

Tonight?

It was a pretty poor performance last night. Worse than usual. I think I saw you getting into it with one of their lesser lights.

 

[nitlion6]

My daughter asked when will the tshirts be out.

Minnesota's or PSU's?

 

[nitlion6]

There is a run on 2022 Iowa National Champ Shirts.....get em before they head overseas

They did win the Iowa state championship. Well kind of. It would be nice if they wrestled UNI.

 

[mcpat]

LOL I see their ranking are still messed losers are still number 1!!wtf

You okay? I see you post gibberish and then you responding to your own post with more gibberish.

Can someone do a wellness check on tullfan68?

 

[nitlion6]

It was a pretty poor performance last night. Worse than usual. I think I saw you getting into it with one of their lesser lights.

I just post a one or two times at a clip. I don't have any interest in a conversation with an idiot.

 

[nitlion6]

That's true. A real edge full of rancor coming through tonight though - 9 out of 11 for PSU. After last year's win and the news that the elders were returning, they banked on a repeat. Such bitter disappointment for them.

Bitter disappointment on HR is shear enjoyment for me.

 

[dicemen99]

It's allright they don't read to good no how

As per a Willie tweet, PSU's champs this year were ranked:
#12
#9
#9 (and Willie was likely the only one with him in the top 10)
#1
#74

Bottom line is we get a lot of top recruits, but we also put a waaaaay higher percentage of them on the top of the podium than any other program.

 

[mcpat]

As per a Willie tweet, PSU's champs this year were ranked:
#12
#9
#9 (and Willie was likely the only one with him in the top 10)
#1
#74

Bottom line is we get a lot of top recruits, but we also put a waaaaay higher percentage of them on the top of the podium than any other program.

I saw that tweet; Warner was #7. What were Marinelli, Kemerer and Cassioppi?

 

[nitlion6]

They're not wrong.

Could be Warner was getting damn tired, and the lack of quality in the shot indicates that is a strong probability, so he decided to give it a shot.

By the way, I can't remember- did I wish you and your wife a Happy Anniversary. If I haven't consider the wish given "Happy Anniversary!"

 

[dicemen99]

I saw that tweet; Warner was #7. What were Marinelli, Kemerer and Cassioppi?

Ask Willie, but I would guess that Marinelli was top 5ish, Kem top 10ish and Cassioppi top 20ish. Very similar to our guys. Iowa had a good haul recently, but still are not putting guys on top of the podium besides Spencer.

 

[nitlion6]

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5 for 5, 35 points ahead of the second place team, 60 ahead of the 3rd place team and "we can do certain things better." Got to love it."

 

[nitlion6]

I agree with this sentiment. But I think some athletes are wired differently and are drawn to a team where they can be the top dog or biggest star rather than sharing the spotlight with other stars. (Suriano?) Others may view themselves as "market disrupters" who want to go to an underdog and help build/re-build that team to be competitive with the Penn States of the world. (Spencer Lee?) Still others might be drawn to a sentimental childhood favorite team. (Real Woods?)

I'm not saying those are their only or even primary motivations, but I suspect they play a factor in the decision making for some.

Spencer chose Iowa mostly because of their lightweight world team trial results, and no one could blame him. A Princeton, Cornell, Duke or Stanford degree speaks for themselves. After that, if what a kid wants is a national championship then there is a single choice, PSU. Everybody else is a backup plan.

 

[mcpat]

 

[nitlion6]

Anyone else notice Lewis’s Dad class act of embracing Carter after his win?

Mother too, and yes I did.

 

[Raw Daddy]

Back around 2014 or 15 I was always pimpin the idea over on HR that Cael was in the middle of making State College area the absolute center of wrestling in the United States. Me and other fans were laughed off their boards when we laid out Caels exact plan for how he was going to achieve that. We said first, he was gonna build the premier college program in the country. Second, he was going to build the absolute best RTC and club. And third, his athletes would then spread across the country getting into coaching and building their clubs.

This is exactly what’s happened and they absolutely can’t stand it.

State College is the Mecca of Wrestling in the USA!

JS, no offense but this is your 6-7 post this weekend where you open up with … people laughing at you. You aren’t a victim. Your team just won a team championship and 5 individual champs.

 

[johnstownsteel]

JS, no offense but this is your 6-7 post this weekend where you open up with … people laughing at you. You aren’t a victim. Your team just won a team championship and 5 individual champs.

Those posts are directed toward my Iowa buddies and they know it. It’s this thing we do to keep things moving along amongst ourselves. And do you really think I feel like a victim? You don’t know me very well then. When they do laugh at me I’m always expecting them to and run me off their board. Why would I do that you might ask? Because when the seasons over I like to remind them of it all. Wouldn’t be any fun if I didn’t.

More to your point though, I haven’t changed my m.o. on these boards for years if ever. It’s my thing to “play” with Hawk fans and it’s their thing to “toy” with me. I don’t think it’ll change so probably best to just block my posts from now on so you don’t have to deal with it.

K…. Good talk. Btw, no offense taken…

 

[nitlion6]

Also on Lewis' first shot, Carter defending with a shin whizzer using his broken hand.

I can't imagine sustaining a grip with a broken hand for any period of time.

Yeah, but you aren't Carter. Dude is a different animal. So brutal physically and in honesty, yet humble. There is a level of mental toughness in that kid that may be on a 1 in a million level.

 

[nitlion6]

Ask Willie, but I would guess that Marinelli was top 5ish, Kem top 10ish and Cassioppi top 20ish. Very similar to our guys. Iowa had a good haul recently, but still are not putting guys on top of the podium besides Spencer.

And to sound a little HRish, Spencer could have gone to Old Dominion, the Citadel, Bloomsburg or SUNY-Bing and been a 3 time champ.

 

[mcpat]

In Cael’s first championship 4-peat, PSU averaged 144.9 pts at Big Tens and 121.0 pts at NCAAs. PSU had 14 individual champions at Big Tens and 8 at NCAAs.

2011-2014:
- 83.5% pts at NCAAs vs Big Tens
- 57.1 % (individual) NCAA champions vs Big Tens

In his second 4-peat, things changed dramatically. 146.5 pts avg at Big Tens and 137.1 pts avg at NCAAs. 12 individual champions at Big Tens and 14 at NCAAs.

(The points and individual champions at Big Tens remained about the same, but they increased tremendously at NCAAs.)

2016-2019:
- 93.6% pts NCAAs vs Big Tens
- 116.7 % (individual) NCAA champs vs Big Tens

The 2016+ trend has continued these past two seasons:

2021-2022:
- 92.3% pts at NCAAs vs Big Tens
- 150% (individual) NCAA champs vs Big Tens

I’ve often wondered if the 2014-2015 season was much more than just a “punt” year. The statistics seem to indicate that there may have been a substantive change in training philosophy. Or at least in post-season training focus.

Or maybe they just got better at what they do. But things changed considerably after the 2014-2015 reset and they were pretty darn good even before it.