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Wrestling 2022 NCAA Championships Results and Discussion threads

Could be Warner was getting damn tired, and the lack of quality in the shot indicates that is a strong probability, so he decided to give it a shot.

By the way, I can't remember- did I wish you and your wife a Happy Anniversary. If I haven't consider the wish given "Happy Anniversary!"
Thanks for remembering!

This week was our 10th anniversary -- 2012 -- which according to HR logic means our relationship had started 2 years before.
 
In Cael’s first championship 4-peat, PSU averaged 144.9 pts at Big Tens and 121.0 pts at NCAAs. PSU had 14 individual champions at Big Tens and 8 at NCAAs.

2011-2014:
- 83.5% pts at NCAAs vs Big Tens
- 57.1 % (individual) NCAA champions vs Big Tens

In his second 4-peat, things changed dramatically. 146.5 pts avg at Big Tens and 137.1 pts avg at NCAAs. 12 individual champions at Big Tens and 14 at NCAAs.

(The points and individual champions at Big Tens remained about the same, but they increased tremendously at NCAAs.)

2016-2019:
- 93.6% pts NCAAs vs Big Tens
- 116.7 % (individual) NCAA champs vs Big Tens

The 2016+ trend has continued these past two seasons:

2021-2022:
- 92.3% pts at NCAAs vs Big Tens
- 150% (individual) NCAA champs vs Big Tens

I’ve often wondered if the 2014-2015 season was much more than just a “punt” year. The statistics seem to indicate that there may have been a substantive change in training philosophy. Or at least in post-season training focus.

Or maybe they just got better at what they do. But things changed considerably after the 2014-2015 reset and they were pretty darn good even before it.
Since 2016:

PSU scores 93.2% as many pts at NCAAs as they do at Big Tens.

Iowa is at 76.3%.
 
  • Then non-TD call for Mekhi that Beckham and others were on fire about, despite the announcers pointing out that the main ref was on the other side of the mat with a bad view, and it rolled into an immediate replay that worked exactly how it was supposed to work.
The ref being out of place is an entirely fair criticism -- it's literally his job to be in position to make that call. He wasn't remotely in position, and even so, the replays showed that when he finally got there, Lewis had control of Carter and still clearly had his foot in bounds. Blown call on multiple levels.

But as you said, replay worked as intended.

Of course, few people complaining gave a rat's ass about Mekhi Lewis or what's right or the sanctity of the sport. It was jealousy.

Then again, maybe we should defer to Beckman, the ultimate authority on boundary wrestling.
 
Ok just to be clear, this is NOT Lemon Pie posting under another name, but there’s one more thing about the PSU team that never gets mentioned. The whole team is a bunch of really good looking guys! Wish there were a few women posting here too. I’d like to hear their opinion.
 
At what point does tOSU question their strength and conditioning approach? They’ve been taking p4p kings and cranking out pumped up stiff Adonis’s to wrestle for 5th place seemingly forever.
I don't think there is anything wrong with their strength program. I do think they take too long to get into cardio shape. There is no doubt they need somebody in the room who can teach mat wrestling. Maybe Steiber gets this done.

With that said, during Cael's PSU run OSU has the 3rd most team titles and the most top 2 finishes.
 
Ok just to be clear, this is NOT Lemon Pie posting under another name, but there’s one more thing about the PSU team that never gets mentioned. The whole team is a bunch of really good looking guys! Wish there were a few women posting here too. I’d like to hear their opinion.
If it weren’t for those damn ears…;)
 
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Question for the board RE T. Hidlay: When Hidlay rides the perimeter, why doesn't AB just trot to the center of the mat and wait for Hidlay to engage? Seems like after that happens a few times it would make it difficult for the ref to ignore Hidlay's continuous stalling.
Hidlay is simply looking to shorten the match and steal it at the end. Backing up to the middle takes Aaron's hands off Hidlay allowing Hidlay to conserve energy for the last 30 seconds.
Just guessing though. That guess, plus PSU doesn't waste a whole lot of physical nor mental energy looking for stall calls.
 
How does the ref not see that headgear pull, less than a foot from his face?
They miss many obvious moments. Ripping a headgear off would seem a bit much, but right on par. Since I woke up yesterday not feeling well, I napped through the placement matches. I take it Tommy did not have a brick left to use.
 
They miss many obvious moments. Ripping a headgear off would seem a bit much, but right on par. Since I woke up yesterday not feeling well, I napped through the placement matches. I take it Tommy did not have a brick left to use.
That's a reasonably safe assumption. Probably a safe assumption 2 sessions earlier.

The reffing in this tournament was really bad -- and not just subjective stuff like top stalling. Bastida headgear pull, Ed Scott 0.1 sec pin, ref not even being on the screen for Lewis' takedown last night, etc., ... just so much obvious stuff missed, and some of it not reviewable.

Hopefully that can be corrected in the offseason.

Thankfully that's not what I'll remember this tournament for.
 
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Ok just to be clear, this is NOT Lemon Pie posting under another name, but there’s one more thing about the PSU team that never gets mentioned. The whole team is a bunch of really good looking guys! Wish there were a few women posting here too. I’d like to hear their opinion.

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How many PA wrestlers did Cael have in his 1st National Championship Team??? Cael has now produced 32 Individual National Champions at PSU - care to tell me how many hailed from PA?
Zain, Nolf, Vincenzo, Nico, Quinton are five I can count off the top of my head. They also account for 11 titles among them
 
In just thinking about it without the benefit of referral; Nico, Jason, Quinten, Vincenzo, Zain and Carter. Probably forgetting someone. All multiple time champs excepting Nico. Spencer got away. Obviously these aren’t in his first year. They own 13 of the 32 championships. By far the most of any state. Just remembered Ed Ruth { how could I forget him}, that makes 16 of 32. 50% is a pretty good indication that Pa. is the Mecca of high school wrestling.

Zain, Nolf, Vincenzo, Nico, Quinton are five I can count off the top of my head. They also account for 11 titles among them

Cael has produced 32 Individual Champions in his tenure at PSU including this year - 50% of them were won by Pennsylvania Scholastic wrestlers. In his first 5 years, Cael produced 8 Individual Champions, 5 of which were Pennsylvania Scholastic wrestling products. Given that the Iowa posters were ridiculing Cael's statements regarding building a dynasty in Pennsylvania, I'd have to say Cael's comments were pretty prescient, while those of his Iowa critics were pretty shortsighted and ignorant.
 
Cael has produced 32 Individual Champions in his tenure at PSU including this year - 50% of them were won by Pennsylvania Scholastic wrestlers. In his first 5 years, Cael produced 8 Individual Champions, 5 of which were Pennsylvania Scholastic wrestling products. Given that the Iowa posters were ridiculing Cael's statements regarding building a dynasty in Pennsylvania, I'd have to say Cael's comments were pretty prescient, while those of his Iowa critics were pretty shortsighted and ignorant.
I think it was the Iowa refusal to acknowledge that PA was the best state in the country for high school wrestling. They still cling to that belief today. I hope it continues to serve them well long into the future (sarcasm font for this last sentence). 😉
 
Minnesota's or PSU's?
I mean wtf. Of course psu. What are you talking about. Why would anyone want a Minnesota tshirt. Because one guy won it. We had 5 and a team champ. If you want to buy a Minnesota shirt then you are on the wrong site.
 
Ask Willie, but I would guess that Marinelli was top 5ish, Kem top 10ish and Cassioppi top 20ish. Very similar to our guys. Iowa had a good haul recently, but still are not putting guys on top of the podium besides Spencer.
outside of the top x, what the PSU guys are doing is winning multiple championships... that is difficult no matter what the recruit #
 
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In Cael’s first championship 4-peat, PSU averaged 144.9 pts at Big Tens and 121.0 pts at NCAAs. PSU had 14 individual champions at Big Tens and 8 at NCAAs.

2011-2014:
- 83.5% pts at NCAAs vs Big Tens
- 57.1 % (individual) NCAA champions vs Big Tens

In his second 4-peat, things changed dramatically. 146.5 pts avg at Big Tens and 137.1 pts avg at NCAAs. 12 individual champions at Big Tens and 14 at NCAAs.

(The points and individual champions at Big Tens remained about the same, but they increased tremendously at NCAAs.)

2016-2019:
- 93.6% pts NCAAs vs Big Tens
- 116.7 % (individual) NCAA champs vs Big Tens

The 2016+ trend has continued these past two seasons:

2021-2022:
- 92.3% pts at NCAAs vs Big Tens
- 150% (individual) NCAA champs vs Big Tens

I’ve often wondered if the 2014-2015 season was much more than just a “punt” year. The statistics seem to indicate that there may have been a substantive change in training philosophy. Or at least in post-season training focus.

Or maybe they just got better at what they do. But things changed considerably after the 2014-2015 reset and they were pretty darn good even before it.
So, you're sayin... Cael had a plan?
 
In Cael’s first championship 4-peat, PSU averaged 144.9 pts at Big Tens and 121.0 pts at NCAAs. PSU had 14 individual champions at Big Tens and 8 at NCAAs.

2011-2014:
- 83.5% pts at NCAAs vs Big Tens
- 57.1 % (individual) NCAA champions vs Big Tens

In his second 4-peat, things changed dramatically. 146.5 pts avg at Big Tens and 137.1 pts avg at NCAAs. 12 individual champions at Big Tens and 14 at NCAAs.

(The points and individual champions at Big Tens remained about the same, but they increased tremendously at NCAAs.)

2016-2019:
- 93.6% pts NCAAs vs Big Tens
- 116.7 % (individual) NCAA champs vs Big Tens

The 2016+ trend has continued these past two seasons:

2021-2022:
- 92.3% pts at NCAAs vs Big Tens
- 150% (individual) NCAA champs vs Big Tens

I’ve often wondered if the 2014-2015 season was much more than just a “punt” year. The statistics seem to indicate that there may have been a substantive change in training philosophy. Or at least in post-season training focus.

Or maybe they just got better at what they do. But things changed considerably after the 2014-2015 reset and they were pretty darn good even before it.
Yes he redshirted a bunch of guys and gave it to osu.
 
I think it was the Iowa refusal to acknowledge that PA was the best state in the country for high school wrestling. They still cling to that belief today. I hope it continues to serve them well long into the future (sarcasm font for this last sentence). 😉
nope, now they say it is simply due to PA's population compared to Iowa's
 
I think it was the Iowa refusal to acknowledge that PA was the best state in the country for high school wrestling. They still cling to that belief today. I hope it continues to serve them well long into the future (sarcasm font for this last sentence). 😉
I think it was the Iowa refusal to acknowledge that PA was the best state in the country for high school wrestling. They still cling to that belief today. I hope it continues to serve them well long into the future (sarcasm font for this last sentence). 😉
45 qualifiers from Pa; 13 from Iowa.

12 AAs from PA; 1 from Iowa.

PA had basically the same number of AAs as Iowa had qualifiers.
 
after dean won, espn was real quick last night to show a chart of schools and the years they had 5 champs at nattys.

i didn’t see it long enough; anyone know the details? i think iowa did it once and okie state too, when cormier was there as he was talking about the list they were showing
 
after dean won, espn was real quick last night to show a chart of schools and the years they had 5 champs at nattys.

i didn’t see it long enough; anyone know the details? i think iowa did it once and okie state too, when cormier was there as he was talking about the list they were showing
Iowa twice. 1986 and 1997.

2005 OKST.

Penn State twice. 2017 and 2022.
 
Several schools did it twice like we did. He was saying ok state 2005 was best. The other guy said no bias there.
I think only two schools have done it twice. The other being Iowa.
 
Several schools did it twice like we did. He was saying ok state 2005 was best. The other guy said no bias there.

Several schools have done it twice like PSU? Don't think so, pretty sure Iowa is the only other school other than PSU to record 5 Chanps two different years. Cormier's Alma Mater, Okie State, has only done it once I believe.... and those are the only 5 teams that have ever recorded 5 Champs in a single season (i.e., PSU 2x, Iowa 2x and Okie State 1x).
 
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Anyone else notice Lewis’s Dad class act of embracing Carter after his win?

I spent the whole weekend sitting directly across the aisle from his dad (and the entire VaTech contingent). They were great fans, very into the action, not obnoxious, and seemed to be enjoying themselves through the highs and lows.

I got a nice photo of Mekhi hugging his dad after he returned to the stands last night after the finals. I’ll try to figure out how to post it since this board inexplicably doesn’t allow uploading photos to posts.
 
45 qualifiers from Pa; 13 from Iowa.

12 AAs from PA; 1 from Iowa.

PA had basically the same number of AAs as Iowa had qualifiers.
why do we always hear about how many more people Pa has than iowa but we dont hear Pa say how many more people tx fla cal have???LOL they are a joke
 
why do we always hear about how many more people Pa has than iowa but we dont hear Pa say how many more people tx fla cal have???LOL they are a joke
Not to mention, the big population centers in PA (Philly, city of Pittsburgh) normally don't produce much talent.
 
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