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2024 NCAA's - Match/discussion threads (merged)

I think he meant Glazier's schedule was weak, albeit thru no fault of his own.

In the regular season Glazier faced Brooks, Surber, Allred, Joles 2x, and Wehmeyer. And of course Mr. Fast Splits. The only other guy he faced with a winning record was Urbas' backup at Penn. He got a lot of guys with ugly W-L records, some of them backups.
Doesn't Iowa wrestle the same rotation in B1Gs as we do? Then you add the Xmas tourneys. A match with Ferrari. I just don't think the quality of his schedule is why he went 1-2. Aaron had 6 wins against top 16. Glazier had 4. He was listless for the most part at NCAAs and I watched all three matches. He is not the same guy who wrestled in January.
 
ok I agree but Bouzakis is a real tuff match for nagao not looking good.
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I think he meant Glazier's schedule was weak, albeit thru no fault of his own.

In the regular season Glazier faced Brooks, Surber, Allred, Joles 2x, and Wehmeyer. And of course Mr. Fast Splits. The only other guy he faced with a winning record was Urbas' backup at Penn. He got a lot of guys with ugly W-L records, some of them backups.
Correct.
 
Can somebody do the math for me since I am not really sure how, what is the max points that PSU can score now.

I guess what I am asking is, if we don't get 10 AA's (not looking so good), and say only five Champs with six finalists how many points is that?
 
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Can somebody do the math for me since I am not really sure how, what is the max points that PSU can score now.

I guess what I am asking is, if we don't get 10 AA's (not looking so good), and say only five Champs with six finalists how many points is that?

You can always check the max points for any team on the PSWC website, but honestly, those max points are NEVER going to happen. That's only if PSU were to win every match by fall. It will determine when PSU clinches mathematically (which will be tonight), but as Madden pointed out, barring something REALLY BIBLICAL, PSU has already clinched.
 
Michigan has 5 wrestlers left (4 in Semi, 2 BR)
#5 Ragusin vs #1 Fix
#6 Gomez vs #2 Parco
#4 Griffith vs #9 Starocci
#10 Davison vs #3 Hendrickson
#10 Amine vs #20 Garvin (BR)

Iowa has 6 wrestlers left (2 semi, 4 BR)
#3 Ayala vs. #10. Barnett
#6 Calienda vs #2 Mesenbrink
#3 Woods vs #7 Happel (BR)
#15 Teske vs #4 Shawyer (BR)
#10 Franek vs. #5 Downey (BR)
#12 Kennedy vs #1 Lewis (BR)

Iowa State 6 wrestlers left (2 semi, 4 BR)
#4 Carr vs #1 O'Toole
#5 Echemendia vs #1 Mendez
#8 Frost vs #20 Wells (BR)
#8 Swiderski vs #14 D'Emilio (BR)
#15 Gaitan vs. #3 Ruth (BR)
#2 Bastida vs. #13 Slavikouski (BR)

Nebraska has 7 wrestlers left (1 semi, 6 BR)
#1 Lovett vs. #4 Henson
BR
#15. Smith vs. #20 Poulin
#9 Hardy vs. #11 Koderhandt
#8 Robb vs. #19. Askey
#8 Taylor vs. #14. Petrucelli
#5 Pinto vs. #9 Berge
#10 Allred vs #5 Cardenas

Nebraska has the best shot to score points this evening but starting 12.5 points behind Iowa and 21.5 behind Michigan.
 
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Doesn't Iowa wrestle the same rotation in B1Gs as we do? Then you add the Xmas tourneys. A match with Ferrari. I just don't think the quality of his schedule is why he went 1-2. Aaron had 6 wins against top 16. Glazier had 4. He was listless for the most part at NCAAs and I watched all three matches. He is not the same guy who wrestled in January.
I'm not going to tell you that Glazier's schedule was the only reason for his dropoff this weekend. It's probably either some injury and/or the usual Iowa all-out-intensity catching up to him.

And his schedule stunk on ice. He got a lot of backups and jabronis.

Comparing that to Aaron isn't useful. Aaron faces a tougher schedule in practice every week than Glazier faced all year. Also Aaron could be 0-0 in the regular season and still win the national title.
 
By my math if PSU puts five guys in the finals they clinch tonight.
Only if other teams do not have a great night in consis. Consis on Friday night are real drivers of team scores. A lot of point are given or lost in rounds 4 & 5 of consis. Remember Minny in 2001 won nationals on the backside.

You might be right but we need help to close out tonight. If we send 5 into the final, that would give us around 125 not counting the guys in consis. There are still several teams that could "potentially" get to 150. Unlikely but a 1 in 14,000,605 possibility.
 
I'm not going to tell you that Glazier's schedule was the only reason for his dropoff this weekend. It's probably either some injury and/or the usual Iowa all-out-intensity catching up to him.

And his schedule stunk on ice. He got a lot of backups and jabronis.

Comparing that to Aaron isn't useful. Aaron faces a tougher schedule in practice every week than Glazier faced all year. Also Aaron could be 0-0 in the regular season and still win the national title.
Oh I agree, I just thought it was simplistic to think that Glazier's problem was schedule. I agree, it's a combo of things including the usual Iowa March dive. I like Glazier. I wish he could have done better. The way he pounded the mat over and over after losing, it seemed his frustration was very high for some reason.
 
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Any video by chance of Kasak/Fernandez? Completely missed it, don’t think I can replay ESPN+ yet
I watch on ESPN+. Just pause one mat until the other mat finishes. You can also hit the back button if you miss something on a mat. All that for 10.00....tee hee
 
85.5 right now.

- all six semifinalists win: +42
- half the BR matches are wins: +7
- how about two bonus points with those eight wins? +2

Puts us at 136.5

All six finalists win tomorrow night: +24
2 others take 4th: +14
How about two more bonus among those ten wins? +2

= 176.5

There’s a path. Even with no more bonus, placements can get us there.
It's a path. A path where almost everything must go perfectly. In other words, not very realistic.
 
85.5 right now.

- all six semifinalists win: +42
- half the BR matches are wins: +7
- how about two bonus points with those eight wins? +2

Puts us at 136.5

All six finalists win tomorrow night: +24
2 others take 4th: +14
How about two more bonus among those ten wins? +2

= 176.5

There’s a path. Even with no more bonus, placements can get us there.
It's a path. A path where almost everything must go perfectly. In other words, not very realistic.
 
I think you have a GREAT chance next year! Maybe even more of a shot than PSU. Believe it! Don't let anyone tell you guys any differently.
























I do this so they get their hopes up. I enjoy their meltdowns more when they thought they had a chance.
Oh thank goodness. For a minute there I was hearing Stuart Smalley’s voice.
 
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Seeds Remaining After Session #3

125

SF: 3, 8, 10, 12
BR: 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 15, 20, 23

133
SF: 1, 2, 5, 6
BR: 3, 4, 7, 8, 10, 13, 15, 20

141
SF: 1, 2, 5, 6
BR: 3, 4, 7, 9, 11, 21, 25, 26

149
SF: 1, 2, 4, 6
BR: 3, 5, 7, 8, 10, 11, 14, 26

157
SF: 1, 2, 6, 12
BR: 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 10, 19, 26

165
SF: 1, 2, 4, 6
BR: 3, 5, 7, 8, 9, 10, 14, 20

174
SF: 4, 6, 7, 9
BR: 1, 2, 3, 12, 14, 15, 18, 28

184
SF: 1, 2, 3, 4
BR: 5, 6, 7, 9, 10, 11, 14, 25

197
SF: 1, 2, 3, 12
BR: 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 14, 25

285
SF: 1, 3, 4, 10
BR: 2, 5, 6, 7, 9, 11, 13, 26
 
Seeds Remaining After Session #3

125

SF: 3, 8, 10, 12
BR: 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 15, 20, 23

133
SF: 1, 2, 5, 6
BR: 3, 4, 7, 8, 10, 13, 15, 20

141
SF: 1, 2, 5, 6
BR: 3, 4, 7, 9, 11, 21, 25, 26

149
SF: 1, 2, 4, 6
BR: 3, 5, 7, 8, 10, 11, 14, 26

157
SF: 1, 2, 6, 12
BR: 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 10, 19, 26

165
SF: 1, 2, 4, 6
BR: 3, 5, 7, 8, 9, 10, 14, 20

174
SF: 4, 6, 7, 9
BR: 1, 2, 3, 12, 14, 15, 18, 28

184
SF: 1, 2, 3, 4
BR: 5, 6, 7, 9, 10, 11, 14, 25

197
SF: 1, 2, 3, 12
BR: 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 14, 25

285
SF: 1, 3, 4, 10
BR: 2, 5, 6, 7, 9, 11, 13, 26
Great info. So right now Carter is the 5th lowest seed wrestling in the semis. Also, the #1 and #2 seeds are wrestling in 7 of the 10 weights. Just shows the formula for seeding selection works. The funny thing is that before the tourney started, the two weights where everyone thought that anyone could get to semis was 125 and 174, and they are the exact two weights where it's been a free-for-all.
 
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Doesn't Iowa wrestle the same rotation in B1Gs as we do? Then you add the Xmas tourneys. A match with Ferrari. I just don't think the quality of his schedule is why he went 1-2. Aaron had 6 wins against top 16. Glazier had 4. He was listless for the most part at NCAAs and I watched all three matches. He is not the same guy who wrestled in January.
I think that’s typical of most wrestlers who have to endure Brands’ brutal and exhausting training.
 
Stupid Stats and Observations

  • Only 184 saw all four top seeds make the semifinals
  • The 3 seed failed to make the semifinals in 7 of the 10 weight classes
  • The 1 seed made the semifinals in 8 of the 10 weight classes
  • The 2 seed made the semifinals in 7 of the 10 weight classes
  • The 3 seed made the semifinals in 3 of the 10 weight classes
  • The 4 seed made the semifinals in 5 of the 10 weight classes
  • 5 double-digit seeds made the semifinals
  • The 6 seed made the semifinals in 6 of the 10 weight classes
  • Every weight class has at least one 20+ seed still wrestling
  • Thirteen 20+ seeds are still wrestling
  • The highest seed still wrestling is 28 Jared Simms (UNI) at 174
  • Four 26 seeds are still wrestling
  • 17 wrestlers lost their first match and made the blood round
  • Only 165 didn't have a wrestler that lost their first match make the blood round
 
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I love to listen to Byers (even if he can't pronounce "sixth"). He's usually close to flawless in his commentating, but the poor guy is struggling to keep up today. Missing whole matches, wrongly reporting matches done when it's only the end of the 1st or 2nd period, assuming wins for a particular wrestler when he sees no action on the mat, calculating a wrongly called “winner’s” next opponent, drearily forecasting Carter’s likely loss to Mekhi, etc. 🤣

Hopefully someone will get him a 6 pack of 5-hour energy bottles for tonight’s round.
 
Seeds Remaining After Session #3

125

SF: 3, 8, 10, 12
BR: 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 15, 20, 23

133
SF: 1, 2, 5, 6
BR: 3, 4, 7, 8, 10, 13, 15, 20

141
SF: 1, 2, 5, 6
BR: 3, 4, 7, 9, 11, 21, 25, 26

149
SF: 1, 2, 4, 6
BR: 3, 5, 7, 8, 10, 11, 14, 26

157
SF: 1, 2, 6, 12
BR: 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 10, 19, 26

165
SF: 1, 2, 4, 6
BR: 3, 5, 7, 8, 9, 10, 14, 20

174
SF: 4, 6, 7, 9
BR: 1, 2, 3, 12, 14, 15, 18, 28

184
SF: 1, 2, 3, 4
BR: 5, 6, 7, 9, 10, 11, 14, 25

197
SF: 1, 2, 3, 12
BR: 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 14, 25

285
SF: 1, 3, 4, 10
BR: 2, 5, 6, 7, 9, 11, 13, 26
Good year to be a 6 seed
 
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