A couple of obvious :-) points wrt the whole "Transfers" Kerfluffle:

[stormingnorm]

WRT Transfers - it is, obviously , a zero-sum game. Every kid who transfers from one school and enrolls in another is a net wash.

The issue - wrt any particular program - is whether they end up, individually, on the + or the - side of the equation.... both with respect to numbers and with respect to quality.



Penn State? In 2019?
PSU has lost 17 kids with remaining eligibility within the last 12 months (not all due to transfers, of course).
Any program losing 17 kids (not counting any injury losses) - especially when a significant portion of those kids woulda' been significant contributors - is going to have a hell of a time NOT ending up on the MINUS side of the equation.
That much is obvious to anyone (one would hope ).


Why has PSU been whacked so much this year?
IDK... could be any number or combination of reasons. But whatever those reasons may be (and one could look at recruiting, player development, "culture", or any number of possible reasons - - - - including "fluky bad luck", if one wants to include that option)...… they need to be addressed pronto by the guy(s) in charge.
I certainly expect that process is underway in full force.

What happens from here on out?
Can the 2019 situation become a "one-of" anomaly? Or..... Will it turn out to be a "preview of coming distractions"?
Who knows.... but right now, it ain't good vav the near term situation w PSU FB.

 

[Obliviax]

WRT Transfers - it is, obviously , a zero-sum game. Every kid who transfers from one school and enrolls in another is a net wash.

The issue - wrt any particular program - is whether they end up, individually, on the + or the - side of the equation.... both with respect to numbers and with respect to quality.



Penn State? In 2019?
PSU has lost 17 kids with remaining eligibility within the last 12 months (not all due to transfers, of course).
Any program losing 17 kids (not counting any injury losses) - especially when a significant portion of those kids woulda' been significant contributors - is going to have a hell of a time NOT ending up on the MINUS side of the equation.
That much is obvious to anyone (one would hope ).


Why has PSU been whacked so much this year?
IDK... could be any number or combination of reasons. But whatever those reasons may be (and one could look at recruiting, player development, "culture", or any number of possible reasons - - - - including "fluky bad luck", if one wants to include that option)...… they need to be addressed pronto by the guy(s) in charge.
I certainly expect that process is underway in full force.

What happens from here on out?
Can the 2019 situation become a "one-of" anomaly? Or..... Will it turn out to be a "preview of coming distractions"?
Who knows.... but right now, it ain't good vav the near term situation w PSU FB.

Thanks...agreed.

First, it is all relative.

Second, it allows teams to fill gaps. So PSU could, just as an example, lose a great WR prospect who is buried in the depth chart and fill much needed DT depth. This helps PSU and the kid that gets a chance to play at DT that may have been covered up at Clemson or tOSU.

Third, lets the kids get out of bad coaching situations. Like USC if you thought you were going to be playing for Kliff Kingsbury or at tOSU if you thought you were playing for Urbs and Schiano and now Day and Mattison.

Fourth, gives the kids some level of control whereas they had little before.

However, good to remember the kids in the portal still have to sit out a year if they don't have their undergraduate degree. So a kid like tOSU's Tate Martell probably won't play in 2019.

 

[Nashville Lion]

Thanks for creating this thread. I almost did myself. What I would like to figure out...and we may never know is this: What is real reason for the numbers we are hearing? And it may be that every program is dealing with similar losses. I don't keep up with any other programs so I don't know.
I certainly hate to see a kid like Lamont Wade leave the program....but maybe just not the right fit. I don't know. Anyone got any info on that situation?
Thanks. We are...

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

Thanks...agreed.

First, it is all relative.

Second, it allows teams to fill gaps. So PSU could, just as an example, lose a great WR prospect who is buried in the depth chart and fill much needed DT depth. This helps PSU and the kid that gets a chance to play at DT that may have been covered up at Clemson or tOSU.

Third, lets the kids get out of bad coaching situations. Like USC if you thought you were going to be playing for Kliff Kingsbury or at tOSU if you thought you were playing for Urbs and Schiano and now Day and Mattison.

Fourth, gives the kids some level of control whereas they had little before.

However, good to remember the kids in the portal still have to sit out a year if they don't have their undergraduate degree. So a kid like tOSU's Tate Martell probably won't play in 2019.

Sitting out a year is a temporary obstacle that exists for now. That will change IMO.

Kids should be allowed to bail no questions asked if a HC change occurs IMO.

 

[Obliviax]

FWIW... I am an advocate for providing greater freedom for the kids (as, I assume, you are as well).

If it were up to me, I'd probably just get rid of the whole "sit a year" nonsense as well - - - - - - especially since the process has turned into a hypocritical joke of ginormous proportions (see the Ole Miss kids and - soon - our friend Mr Fields , among many others)


IMO... the programs that will consistently end up on the minus side of the equation are going to be those that SHOULD take a look in the mirror ("Why are we having so many kids CHOOSING to leave early?") and probably ought to be cleaning up their own business first and foremost.

Again...agreed. Perhaps waive the one year proviso in areas of coaching change. Also, limit it to once a college career. I don't want any kid to be able to select any program at any time. however, I certainly see a kid like Martell, a dual threat QB, seeing a pocket passing HC take the reigns. Its not what he signed up for. I also see a kid who has a family hardship or extraordinary circumstance. But I don't want to see any kid flip schools. Schools will simply start to take advantage of kids. I mean, what is to stop a school from taking a kid from PSU just to weaken them? Baseball has a 40 man roster exemption. Perhaps college teams can exempt a two deep (44 players) and the rest can xfer with no one-year penalty. Just thinking out loud.

 

[Obliviax]

Sitting out a year is a temporary obstacle that exists for now. That will change IMO.

Kids should be allowed to bail no questions asked if a HC change occurs IMO.

Agree but what if Michigan starts to recruit kids from tOSU that they don't need, they just want to hurt the tOSU program? I like that there is some penalty for the kid and the program he ends up going to...just so they take a kid they want and aren't gaming it in some way.

 

[wilbury]

Agree but what if Michigan starts to recruit kids from tOSU that they don't need, they just want to hurt the tOSU program? I like that there is some penalty for the kid and the program he ends up going to...just so they take a kid they want and aren't gaming it in some way.

They still have the same scholarship limits to deal with I don't think this will ever become an issue.

 

[Alphalion75]

WRT Transfers - it is, obviously , a zero-sum game. Every kid who transfers from one school and enrolls in another is a net wash.

The issue - wrt any particular program - is whether they end up, individually, on the + or the - side of the equation.... both with respect to numbers and with respect to quality.



Penn State? In 2019?
PSU has lost 17 kids with remaining eligibility within the last 12 months (not all due to transfers, of course).
Any program losing 17 kids (not counting any injury losses) - especially when a significant portion of those kids woulda' been significant contributors - is going to have a hell of a time NOT ending up on the MINUS side of the equation.
That much is obvious to anyone (one would hope ).


Why has PSU been whacked so much this year?
IDK... could be any number or combination of reasons. But whatever those reasons may be (and one could look at recruiting, player development, "culture", or any number of possible reasons - - - - including "fluky bad luck", if one wants to include that option)...… they need to be addressed pronto by the guy(s) in charge.
I certainly expect that process is underway in full force.

What happens from here on out?
Can the 2019 situation become a "one-of" anomaly? Or..... Will it turn out to be a "preview of coming distractions"?
Who knows.... but right now, it ain't good vav the near term situation w PSU FB.

Thanks for posting. Not sure what all the issues are with the transfers etc etc. but I think it would be a good idea to bring back the names on the jerseys.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

Agree but what if Michigan starts to recruit kids from tOSU that they don't need, they just want to hurt the tOSU program? I like that there is some penalty for the kid and the program he ends up going to...just so they take a kid they want and aren't gaming it in some way.

The momentum is towards allowing fewer obstacles to player transfers. You've already seen that with the Michigan QB stuff (and now Fields). The NCAA doesn't want to litigate this since they'll likely lose, so look for fewer barriers going forward.

 

[ericstratton-rushchairman]

Your writing style (with your dots, dashes, emojis, and over/misuse of quotes) is quite maddening to read. You have some great points though

 

[joeparules]

Your writing style (with your dots, dashes, emojis, and over/misuse of quotes) is quite maddening to read. You have some great points though

Cut Norm some slack ... he is pre-law ... or pre-med ... what's the difference?!

 

[Obliviax]

They still have the same scholarship limits to deal with I don't think this will ever become an issue.

I hear you...on the other hand, if you lose a dozen low end kids you can begin to predict and exploit that. In fact, you can go to them and tell them to enter the portal. Since they are no longer 100% dedicated to you and have the portal option, it makes it easier to run them off.

 

[psu skp]

Your writing style (with your dots, dashes, emojis, and over/misuse of quotes) is quite maddening to read.

Emojis can be quite sensual.

 

[Obliviax]

The momentum is towards allowing fewer obstacles to player transfers. You've already seen that with the Michigan QB stuff (and now Fields). The NCAA doesn't want to litigate this since they'll likely lose, so look for fewer barriers going forward.

Don't disagree....just pointing out that there will be problems. for example, since you are no longer obligated, just go to an underperforming kid and run him out of the program. There are always unforeseen problems.

 

[Lionfan01]

Franklin had to re-recruit Tommy Stevens last year. If there was a time for him to go, it was after last season.

I don't know if Franklin tried to re-recruit the people who are leaving. We will never know.

Kids coming and going from school to school is a hot mess. It annoys us as football fans. Your average student can transfer after a semester if they wish.

The purpose of a university is to teach its students how to think. Sometimes they think of what is best for them.

 

[Obliviax]

Franklin had to re-recruit Tommy Stevens last year. If there was a time for him to go, it was after last season.

I don't know if Franklin tried to re-recruit the people who are leaving. We will never know.

Kids coming and going from school to school is a hot mess. It annoys us as football fans. Your average student can transfer after a semester if they wish.

The purpose of a university is to teach its students how to think. Sometimes they think of what is best for them.

yeah-agreed....because Tommy graduated. Like JJ, who has also graduated. So those guys are not a "portal" issue specifically.

 

[Texas Lion]

My question is this:

What about the potential to raid an Non Power of 5 team of their 1 or 2 true players that developed late?

 

[djr4rebs]

don't know if Franklin tried to re-recruit the people who are leaving. We will never know.

He could still be trying to re-recruit these guys. The portal only makes the information available quicker and in one location. They aren't gone until they select another school.

 

[ericstratton-rushchairman]

Its on my Christmas list..... feel free to "send" it my way

Well played

 

[Lionfan01]

He could still be trying to re-recruit these guys. The portal only makes the information available quicker and in one location. They aren't gone until they select another school.

The problem is now it is public. Now we get to see a little bit more into the sausage making of college football. We don't like it when our team is in the meat grinder.

 

[rudedude]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sb...54466/penn-state-transfers-where-are-they-now

 

[Nitt1300]

One likely factor is that teams whose coaches are really honest with their players are likely to lose more to transfers than those with coaches who are less honest- so the obvious temptation (which some will succumb to) will be to be less honest. Like with programs that actually do stress academics, there is a price to be paid for doing the right thing, and not everyone is going to be willing to pay it.

 

[BBG65]

For schools like Pitt and others who can't recruit high school players, it lets them bring in transfers to fill the gaps. For Penn State, it is almost always a big negative. We have and always will have young talent to play, but young is the key word. We will have younger less experienced teams and that has dimmed our prospects for 2019.

 

[Art]

WRT Transfers - it is, obviously , a zero-sum game. Every kid who transfers from one school and enrolls in another is a net wash.

The issue - wrt any particular program - is whether they end up, individually, on the + or the - side of the equation.... both with respect to numbers and with respect to quality.



Penn State? In 2019?
PSU has lost 17 kids with remaining eligibility within the last 12 months (not all due to transfers, of course).
Any program losing 17 kids (not counting any injury losses) - especially when a significant portion of those kids woulda' been significant contributors - is going to have a hell of a time NOT ending up on the MINUS side of the equation.
That much is obvious to anyone (one would hope ).


Why has PSU been whacked so much this year?
IDK... could be any number or combination of reasons. But whatever those reasons may be (and one could look at recruiting, player development, "culture", or any number of possible reasons - - - - including "fluky bad luck", if one wants to include that option)...… they need to be addressed pronto by the guy(s) in charge.
I certainly expect that process is underway in full force.

What happens from here on out?
Can the 2019 situation become a "one-of" anomaly? Or..... Will it turn out to be a "preview of coming distractions"?
Who knows.... but right now, it ain't good vav the near term situation w PSU FB.

Do you think that the Ultimate People Person who runs IAC will ask about this during her review of the program? I'm not for a minute suggesting that there aren't good answers, but I believe questions should be asked. You'd think Barbour earned her lesson. The last time she was in Oblivious State, Cal's grad rates went down the shitter.

 

[demlion]

Who are we losing from these transfers who you expect to be a breakout star on their new team?