Jason is play-rehabbing, and inventing new rehab exercises. Rehab will never be the same.
Any update on Nolf??? Anyone with insider info?
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Apparently so. Doesn't always translate well in the written form. Maybe an emoji next time? Meanwhile, I'll try to ramp up my sarcasm detector.
For some reason I am picturing Peter Pan and his shadow.
Can Nolf pin his shadow?
I don't think I could disagree more. Why should the guy who has earned nothing get a chance to wrestle? The field is already too watered down in the early rounds. If a qualifier can't wrestle leave the spot open with no replacement unless it is a replacement from the same team, I think wrestlers should earn a "team" slot at that weight class. Shak wins BIG but gets hurt in practice bad enough he can't go at NCAA and as it sits now the slot would be given to JON D. Scrub from Chicago School of Canine Podiatry instead of Cassar. Dumb. I count the days between opportunities to watch Jason Nolf wrestle and he is worth keeping a slot open if there is a 10% chance he can give it a go. Nobody outside of his parents will pay to watch unnamed/undeserving wrestler #34 compete.
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Truth is that none of us know anything about Jason's health status or how his rehab is going.
I guess my only point is to err on the side of extreme caution when it comes to participating in Bigs because, in my view, National Titles are the ultimate goal.
Does anyone give a s*** that tOSU won the Big 10 Tournament last year after we won another National Title? Of course not.
I guess my only point is to err on the side of extreme caution when it comes to participating in Bigs because, in my view, National Titles are the ultimate goal.
Does anyone give a s*** that tOSU won the Big 10 Tournament last year after we won another National Title? Of course not.
I bet Cael and the team have not lost any sleep over it either. That is the point. If Nolf wrestles B1G's and PSU wins it but is injured and cannot wrestle at NCAA's, not a good exchange at all. Keep the eye on the prize, NCAA's.
He's talking about BIGs. If he finishes 3rd at BIGs he will get a seed between 3-6, but if he finishes 4th or worse at BIGs he would probably drop to a 7 or 8 seed and meet Coon or Snyder in the NCAA semis.
Since the Buffalo match ended early, the staff probably took the free time to do something fun, like figure out how Bigs might shake out with or without Nolf. Since I am not as smart as those guys, I won’t do the math, but I think we can win Bigs without Nolf.
Of course the prize is later and there is nobody like our staff in their ability to peak at the right time.
We should win that too.......
Of course the prize is later and there is nobody like our staff in their ability to peak at the right time.
We should win that too.......
I OVERHEARD TWO GUYS STANDING OUTSIDE THE REC HALL WEIGHT ROOM !!!!....so last night I was standing outside "the room" and heard.......
Correct. I was thinking about NN getting the 3rd seed when I typed so my hands typed semis.
NOBODY. EVER. Dominated Nico. Guess that's why it's so amusing and has stood the test of time.
At least your brain is connected to your hands. Not the case with everyone
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Nolf should visit Wakanda this coming weekend.
NCAA title is the goal. No Nolf, probably no title.
Given the current rules, the severity of Nolf's injury, and the above stated goal, I would have him Inj Def and then MFF out at Big Tens. Understand Nolf wants to wrestle. Understand we ALL want him to wrestle. But for me its not worth the risk of jeopardizing the goal.
Given the current rules, the severity of Nolf's injury, and the above stated goal, I would have him Inj Def and then MFF out at Big Tens. Understand Nolf wants to wrestle. Understand we ALL want him to wrestle. But for me its not worth the risk of jeopardizing the goal.
Lots of speculation in this thread about what the coaches should do with Nolf at BIGs when none of us have all of the information the coaches do. I think I will rely on them to do the right thing for the team and for Nolf.
Youd first need to assess Nolfs knee before being able to determine what risk, if any, wrestling the Bigs would amount to
Im told Nolf's been going live this week. No telling if he'll be 100% or not. Up to medical staff who've examined him, Nolf, coaches et al , those who are in possession of the relevant facts
Any of our wrestlers could get injured at the BigTens. Any of our wrestlers could have been injured vs Buffalo. At this point in the season, no wrestler is 100% healthy. What are we going to do? Have all of our wrestlers default/forfeit out of the BigTen in order to keep our eye on the prize? At some point, Nolf is going to have to wrestle. Taking the stance that he should not wrestle in East Lansing this early when none of us know the true status of his knee is just absurd.
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I understand all of that. At this point in the season, nobody is 100%. But in Nolf's case, he missed three weeks with an undisclosed knee injury which is far different than a bump/bruise or dealing with some tendonitis.
If Nolf's knee is not close to 100%, I would hold him out. Cael will do what is best for the team, he has access to far more information than we do. If Nolf is held out of B1G's or only wrestles a few matches I will not be concerned, he will be all in for NCAA's, people have wrestled with far worse knee injuries and have done well.
Manatree, your last line is rather correct. The earlier is sorta throwing the baby out with the bath water.
Of course, no wrestler is 100 percent healthy, but none of the others are nursing a ligament injury with an obvious trauma event. That wrestler would be treated differently than all the rest. He is kept out because the risk of re-injury is in fact greater than the risk of injury in the first instance....but that re-injury risk reduces with time. So the discussion of default and MFF at BIGs is fair just as it was when we wrestled Buffalo, albeit with less risk than Vs Buffalo.
Of course we don’t know, so all of our statements are sorta baseless. we should start all of our statements with IF.
IF Jason seemed fully healthy and fully cleared, I might still only give him 2 matches and default mff out. There is a bigger prize.
I don't disagree with the cautious approach for Jason espoused on this thread. And I would certainly agree that the NCAA is the bigger prize.
But the B10s are also a big prize, and I want to see us crush tOSU, in the dual, at B10s, at NCAAs, in basketball, in football, volleyball , you name it.
If our coaches deem Jason is healthy and doesn't risk re-injury, I don't advocate holding him back just for cautions sake. I'd love to see our squad crush everyone at B10s and put all on notice that we won't be denied at NCAAs.
Cael- Jason I need you to wrestle Big Tens. I don’t care what’s going on with your knee.
Jason- sounds good.
Cael- Listen man Kuhn is almost collecting SS, Cenzos back is bruised from constantly fighting off of it, Zain is still recovering from those hooks and jabs, Mark pulled his bicep throwing down the hammer, Keener hurt his fingernail again, and so on. Are we just gonna forfeit everyone out?
Jason- I am ready coach.
Cael- Jason at some point you are going to have to wrestle. You probably should have wrestled at Buffalo. I don’t care about no stinking NCAAs!!! David never missed a dual in all his years at PSU. You could get hurt anytime. At this point on the season you need to be on that mat.
Jason- I want to wrestle at Big Tens Cael.
Team Doctor- My suggestion is to play it safe and save him for the big prize. Let’s give him another two weeks to rehab and prepare. What were you thinking? Did you see the way he went down and could not put any weight on his knee? Jason looked like he saw a ghost when he went down!! Cael this is the kid who will refuse to take a blood timeout, he would rather pinch his own nose and choke on his own blood to win.
Cael- Yeah but I was on the forum and this guy said...
Jason- sounds good.
Cael- Listen man Kuhn is almost collecting SS, Cenzos back is bruised from constantly fighting off of it, Zain is still recovering from those hooks and jabs, Mark pulled his bicep throwing down the hammer, Keener hurt his fingernail again, and so on. Are we just gonna forfeit everyone out?
Jason- I am ready coach.
Cael- Jason at some point you are going to have to wrestle. You probably should have wrestled at Buffalo. I don’t care about no stinking NCAAs!!! David never missed a dual in all his years at PSU. You could get hurt anytime. At this point on the season you need to be on that mat.
Jason- I want to wrestle at Big Tens Cael.
Team Doctor- My suggestion is to play it safe and save him for the big prize. Let’s give him another two weeks to rehab and prepare. What were you thinking? Did you see the way he went down and could not put any weight on his knee? Jason looked like he saw a ghost when he went down!! Cael this is the kid who will refuse to take a blood timeout, he would rather pinch his own nose and choke on his own blood to win.
Cael- Yeah but I was on the forum and this guy said...
So you would ignore a wrestler's body of work through the season in favor of giving an 11-9 kid, who had his chance to qualify but failed?
I don't think this is a polarizing issue with PSU fans at all. We're fine with Jason wrestling in Bigs, or not ... just follow the rules. It seems it is more a polarizing issue with other fans like yourself who want to create an issue where none exists.
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Cael- Jason I need you to wrestle Big Tens. I don’t care what’s going on with your knee.
Jason- sounds good.
Cael- Listen man Kuhn is almost collecting SS, Cenzos back is bruised from constantly fighting off of it, Zain is still recovering from those hooks and jabs, Mark pulled his bicep throwing down the hammer, Keener hurt his fingernail again, and so on. Are we just gonna forfeit everyone out?
Jason- I am ready coach.
Cael- Jason at some point you are going to have to wrestle. You probably should have wrestled at Buffalo. I don’t care about no stinking NCAAs!!! David never missed a dual in all his years at PSU. You could get hurt anytime. At this point on the season you need to be on that mat.
Jason- I want to wrestle at Big Tens Cael.
Team Doctor- My suggestion is to play it safe and save him for the big prize. Let’s give him another two weeks to rehab and prepare. What were you thinking? Did you see the way he went down and could not put any weight on his knee? Jason looked like he saw a ghost when he went down!! Cael this is the kid who will refuse to take a blood timeout, he would rather pinch his own nose and choke on his own blood to win.
Cael- Yeah but I was on the forum and this guy said...
LOL, that was good, but the last sentence is the only one that really matters as Cael will read this thread and many others on this subject, tally the votes as to wrestle Nolf at BIGs or not and decide based on that tally.
Yeah, way too much speculat’n, hypothesiz’n, and outright fabricat’n in this thread and on the whole board. Cut it out already.
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So guess'n, theoriz'n and lie'n are okey dokey?Yeah, way too much speculat’in, hypothesiz’in, and outright fabricat’in in this thread and on the whole board. Cut it out already.
I don’t believe our medical staff will allow Nolf to wrestle unless they believe he is 99- 100% healthy. Take Suriano’s case: last year we heard all kinds of positive developments on his injury that led us to believe he’d wrestle at the NCAAs. Suriano himself believed that he was healthy enough to go. The medical staff would not allow it. That angered Suriano so much that he transferred out and even taunted the medical staff with that comment “I didn’t need surgery.” It looks like he was right. The takeaway: If Nolf wrestles, in either BIG or NCAAs, he will have to be 99% healthy.
With Suriano's ankle, their are multiple ways to treat that type of injury, depends on the doctor. It is not uncommon to have surgery on broken ankles and wrists to help the healing process. The Suriano's got into a huff because Nick broke his ankle and could not compete. Reality for the Suriano's, brake your ankle and you are not competing in anything in 3.5 weeks. A hairline fracture of a non load bearing bone will take 3 weeks to heal. With an ankle, it is extremely difficult to brace it and still allow for mobility while providing stability, one of those ball joints. Suriano did say in the summer Flo interview that the ankle was not 100% until June, 2.5 months after NCAA's, anybody think he could have wrestled effectively?
That is why Nolf will wrestle at NCAA's, they can brace his knee to provide stability without seriously reducing mobility.
This is some next level paranoia. There isn't a timeline or alternate universe that exists where Jason Nolf doesn't get an at-large to the NCAA tournament should he MFF out of the B1G.
Suriano's situation, perhaps, was muddled somewhat by Suriano's father. I have heard, unsubstantiated, that the reason Nick didn't wrestle at Nationals was because his father intervened. Whether that is true or not, I don't know, but I don't think we can eliminate the father from any decision that was made after Nick's injury up until Nationals.
I don't think Suriano's father prevented Nick from wrestling at NCAA's, he had visions of 4 NCAA titles dancing in his head. I think a huge reason why Suriano is no longer at PSU is because of the father...wanting Nick to be the center of attention and basically wearing out his welcome at PSU.
How about we give the 34th wrestler a wrestle off with a >80% Jason. Win, and he's in, lol....
In seriousness, I kind of agree that the conference tourney should be required for NCAAs, but you don't change the rules or interpretation of the rules mid-season.
So again how do you enforce it? what does "conference tourney required" mean? Because technically it is required. But walking on the mat for 1 second and then defaulting fulfills that requirement. Do you have to finish a match? Finish all matches? Do we really want a wrestler with a minute left in some wrestle backs, who get a knee twisted, have to think through "if i don't keep wrestling i cant go to nationals"? what about someone defaulted for a concussion? etc.
This may have been answered somewhere in the thread but I do not have time to scan through it all.
Where is Nolf seeded at NCAA’s if he MFF’s at B1G’s? Is it in the lower quarter or is it in the top 5?
Where is Nolf seeded at NCAA’s if he MFF’s at B1G’s? Is it in the lower quarter or is it in the top 5?
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