Clarifications from 1st time poster and UM fan

[Clowe]

Love the rivalry. Love the hype. 2 ranked teams. Anything can happen.

But to make sure we are all on the same page about the past:

Big 10 Championship vs 3rd place: not really a coaching issue but rather a Big 10 tie breaker rule. Both teams had the same record. UM beat both PSU and Wisconsin (at Wisconsin) that year (which was the Championship game) Difference between um and psu wasn’t record or head-to-head - it was UM lost at Iowa, PSU lost to Pitt. So it was in conference vs. out-of-conference that made the difference.

Running up the score: running to the line of scrimmage to get off a play with under a minute left when up by 100 is different then throwing a pass when up by 100 with 8 minutes left. If you don’t see that, then you are a fan of your team but not a football fan.

 

[The Song Remains the Same]

Love the rivalry. Love the hype. 2 ranked teams. Anything can happen.

But to make sure we are all on the same page about the past:

Big 10 Championship vs 3rd place: not really a coaching issue but rather a Big 10 tie breaker rule. Both teams had the same record. UM beat both PSU and Wisconsin (at Wisconsin) that year (which was the Championship game) Difference between um and psu wasn’t record or head-to-head - it was UM lost at Iowa, PSU lost to Pitt. So it was in conference vs. out-of-conference that made the difference.

Running up the score: running to the line of scrimmage to get off a play with under a minute left when up by 100 is different then throwing a pass when up by 100 with 8 minutes left. If you don’t see that, then you are a fan of your team but not a football fan.

yawn

 

[massimoManca II]

Love the rivalry. Love the hype. 2 ranked teams. Anything can happen.

But to make sure we are all on the same page about the past:

Big 10 Championship vs 3rd place: not really a coaching issue but rather a Big 10 tie breaker rule. Both teams had the same record. UM beat both PSU and Wisconsin (at Wisconsin) that year (which was the Championship game) Difference between um and psu wasn’t record or head-to-head - it was UM lost at Iowa, PSU lost to Pitt. So it was in conference vs. out-of-conference that made the difference.

Running up the score: running to the line of scrimmage to get off a play with under a minute left when up by 100 is different then throwing a pass when up by 100 with 8 minutes left. If you don’t see that, then you are a fan of your team but not a football fan.

If you don’t know the difference between the usage of then vs than, then you are a simpleton*

 

[The Song Remains the Same]

If you don’t know the difference between the usage of then vs than, then you are a MICHIGAN MAN*

FIFY

 

[Lion8286]

Love the rivalry. Love the hype. 2 ranked teams. Anything can happen.

But to make sure we are all on the same page about the past:

Big 10 Championship vs 3rd place: not really a coaching issue but rather a Big 10 tie breaker rule. Both teams had the same record. UM beat both PSU and Wisconsin (at Wisconsin) that year (which was the Championship game) Difference between um and psu wasn’t record or head-to-head - it was UM lost at Iowa, PSU lost to Pitt. So it was in conference vs. out-of-conference that made the difference.

Running up the score: running to the line of scrimmage to get off a play with under a minute left when up by 100 is different then throwing a pass when up by 100 with 8 minutes left. If you don’t see that, then you are a fan of your team but not a football fan.

You misspelled "Clown".

 

[kentuckycb]

Love the rivalry. Love the hype. 2 ranked teams. Anything can happen.

But to make sure we are all on the same page about the past:

Big 10 Championship vs 3rd place: not really a coaching issue but rather a Big 10 tie breaker rule. Both teams had the same record. UM beat both PSU and Wisconsin (at Wisconsin) that year (which was the Championship game) Difference between um and psu wasn’t record or head-to-head - it was UM lost at Iowa, PSU lost to Pitt. So it was in conference vs. out-of-conference that made the difference.

Running up the score: running to the line of scrimmage to get off a play with under a minute left when up by 100 is different then throwing a pass when up by 100 with 8 minutes left. If you don’t see that, then you are a fan of your team but not a football fan.

1) Who cares? Mich hasn’t won a B10 championship under Harbaugh, that’s fact.

2) PSU never really thought Mich ran up the score in ‘16. Mich won handily because PSU’s
defense was decimated by injury and left over sanction effect. Throwing a pass with 8 minutes to go is hardly running it up.

 

[2020 is Our Year]

Love the rivalry. Love the hype. 2 ranked teams. Anything can happen.

But to make sure we are all on the same page about the past:

Big 10 Championship vs 3rd place: not really a coaching issue but rather a Big 10 tie breaker rule. Both teams had the same record. UM beat both PSU and Wisconsin (at Wisconsin) that year (which was the Championship game) Difference between um and psu wasn’t record or head-to-head - it was UM lost at Iowa, PSU lost to Pitt. So it was in conference vs. out-of-conference that made the difference.

Running up the score: running to the line of scrimmage to get off a play with under a minute left when up by 100 is different then throwing a pass when up by 100 with 8 minutes left. If you don’t see that, then you are a fan of your team but not a football fan.

lol

 

[razpsu]

Love the rivalry. Love the hype. 2 ranked teams. Anything can happen.

But to make sure we are all on the same page about the past:

Big 10 Championship vs 3rd place: not really a coaching issue but rather a Big 10 tie breaker rule. Both teams had the same record. UM beat both PSU and Wisconsin (at Wisconsin) that year (which was the Championship game) Difference between um and psu wasn’t record or head-to-head - it was UM lost at Iowa, PSU lost to Pitt. So it was in conference vs. out-of-conference that made the difference.

Running up the score: running to the line of scrimmage to get off a play with under a minute left when up by 100 is different then throwing a pass when up by 100 with 8 minutes left. If you don’t see that, then you are a fan of your team but not a football fan.

So you are trying to say that we were not the big ten champion in 2016 because the rules do not apply to Michigan. Hell we have been saying that the rules do not apply to Michigan the whole time. Ie. 2002, 2005, heck even this year with Patterson getting immediate playing time.

When was the last time Michigan won the big ten championship? Maybe 2018 is your year, god knows how long it has been, but you have to win it first. Here is to a good game on Saturday.

 

[ftlpsu]

Difference is we beat Ohio State.

 

[PeetzPoolBoy]

Love the rivalry. Love the hype. 2 ranked teams. Anything can happen.

But to make sure we are all on the same page about the past:

Big 10 Championship vs 3rd place: not really a coaching issue but rather a Big 10 tie breaker rule. Both teams had the same record. UM beat both PSU and Wisconsin (at Wisconsin) that year (which was the Championship game) Difference between um and psu wasn’t record or head-to-head - it was UM lost at Iowa, PSU lost to Pitt. So it was in conference vs. out-of-conference that made the difference.

Running up the score: running to the line of scrimmage to get off a play with under a minute left when up by 100 is different then throwing a pass when up by 100 with 8 minutes left. If you don’t see that, then you are a fan of your team but not a football fan.

For a first post, it’s evident that you have no “clowe” about the B1G and CFB, in general.

 

[Pocono Lion]

Isn’t a UM fan talking about B10 championships kind of like a priest acting as a marriage counselor? You know what it is but you’ll never actually experience it?

 

[canuckhal]

Difference is we beat Ohio State.

 

[tboyer]

Kind of an odd post. All Michigan had to do in 2016 was beat Ohio State. Just beat Ohio State. Why is that so impossible?

UM is 2 for the last 19 against Ohio State. Anyway, it's the same this year. Even if they beat PSU, it won't mean much if they go lay an egg in Columbus, which they will probably do.

 

[Marylovesthelions]

The Lions win! The Lions win!

 

[Zenophile]

Love the rivalry. Love the hype. 2 ranked teams. Anything can happen.

But to make sure we are all on the same page about the past:

Big 10 Championship vs 3rd place: not really a coaching issue but rather a Big 10 tie breaker rule. Both teams had the same record. UM beat both PSU and Wisconsin (at Wisconsin) that year (which was the Championship game) Difference between um and psu wasn’t record or head-to-head - it was UM lost at Iowa, PSU lost to Pitt. So it was in conference vs. out-of-conference that made the difference.

Running up the score: running to the line of scrimmage to get off a play with under a minute left when up by 100 is different then throwing a pass when up by 100 with 8 minutes left. If you don’t see that, then you are a fan of your team but not a football fan.

Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[odshowtime]

But to make sure we are all on the same page about the past:

This is great. Thanks for setting us straight you arrogant asshole! You people are absolutely nuts to be so cocky when you don't have a leg to stand on.

 

[Nittany Ziggy]

FIFY

You can ALWAYS “tell” a Michigan Man. You just can’t tell him much!

 

[Anison]

Clarifications from a long-time poster and Michigan fan:

- Coming here to explain away failure to finish better than 3rd in the conference is the height of fanboy insecurity. You point to it as if it’s some technicality - no it’s what we’ve done and where we’ve finished. Own it.

- Arguing the finer points of “running up the score” and “who did it first” is pointless. If PSU players/coaches used it as motivation last year then good for them because they got stomped in 2016; if UM players coaches are using it as motivation this year then good for them because they got stomped in 2017. Whether or not Speight threw a pass with five minutes left or Franklin hurried to run a play with 20 seconds left did not change the embarrassing outcome for either team in either game.

 

[AWS1022]

Love the rivalry. Love the hype. 2 ranked teams. Anything can happen.

But to make sure we are all on the same page about the past:

Big 10 Championship vs 3rd place: not really a coaching issue but rather a Big 10 tie breaker rule. Both teams had the same record. UM beat both PSU and Wisconsin (at Wisconsin) that year (which was the Championship game) Difference between um and psu wasn’t record or head-to-head - it was UM lost at Iowa, PSU lost to Pitt. So it was in conference vs. out-of-conference that made the difference.

Running up the score: running to the line of scrimmage to get off a play with under a minute left when up by 100 is different then throwing a pass when up by 100 with 8 minutes left. If you don’t see that, then you are a fan of your team but not a football fan.

Hurrying to get a pass play off would have been running it up..,,a running play, not so much.

 

[Delco Lion]

 

[PS4814]

Welp - that's troll #2 on ignore this week.

 

[psugisher]

Love the rivalry. Love the hype. 2 ranked teams. Anything can happen.

But to make sure we are all on the same page about the past:

Big 10 Championship vs 3rd place: not really a coaching issue but rather a Big 10 tie breaker rule. Both teams had the same record. UM beat both PSU and Wisconsin (at Wisconsin) that year (which was the Championship game) Difference between um and psu wasn’t record or head-to-head - it was UM lost at Iowa, PSU lost to Pitt. So it was in conference vs. out-of-conference that made the difference.

Running up the score: running to the line of scrimmage to get off a play with under a minute left when up by 100 is different then throwing a pass when up by 100 with 8 minutes left. If you don’t see that, then you are a fan of your team but not a football fan.

When was the conference ever decided by out of conference games? There was no tie-breaker involving Michigan. PSU and OSU we’re tied for first in the division and you were 3rd. The only tie-breaker was PSU vs OSU and we won head to head. You lost 3 of your last 4 games in 2016 with a national championship quality team. Your team this year isn’t close to that 2016 team. You’ll find that out soon. I’m upset we didn’t score. We should’ve gone for two afterwards to get 50. See you Saturday

 

[Pardlion]

Love the rivalry. Love the hype. 2 ranked teams. Anything can happen.

But to make sure we are all on the same page about the past:

Big 10 Championship vs 3rd place: not really a coaching issue but rather a Big 10 tie breaker rule. Both teams had the same record. UM beat both PSU and Wisconsin (at Wisconsin) that year (which was the Championship game) Difference between um and psu wasn’t record or head-to-head - it was UM lost at Iowa, PSU lost to Pitt. So it was in conference vs. out-of-conference that made the difference.

Running up the score: running to the line of scrimmage to get off a play with under a minute left when up by 100 is different then throwing a pass when up by 100 with 8 minutes left. If you don’t see that, then you are a fan of your team but not a football fan.

When you say “UM” are you referring to Maryland or Michigan?

 

[bison13]

Wahhhhhhhhh

 

[ivan brunetti]

Difference is we beat Ohio State.

Another difference between the coaches is Harbaugh is not .214 vs his top 3 East division opponents.

 

[SR108]

Running up the score: running to the line of scrimmage to get off a play with under a minute left when up by 100 is different then throwing a pass when up by 100 with 8 minutes left. If you don’t see that, then you are a fan of your team but not a football fan.

IMO, its all about recruiting. When you compete for the same kids recruiting, if you get a chance to soundly beat a team like Michigan, Ohio State, or Michigan State you take it. They do the same thing...

 

[Lion Lineage]

Another difference between the coaches is Harbaugh is not .214 vs his top 3 East division opponents.

Harbaugh also didn’t have a 65 man scholarship roster when he took over. Cupboard was full and yet he can’t beat tOSU, win a BIG title or make a NY 6 bowl. All things Franklin has done while rebuilding from severe sanctions. He also can’t win 11 games a season, again something Franklin has done...twice.

 

[Thorndike2012]

Wasn't the topic 2016? Do at least try to keep up, Ivan.

 

[ivan brunetti]

Wasn't the topic 2016? Do at least try to keep up, Ivan.

I thought the topic was the difference between the two coaches.

Carry on.

 

[ivan brunetti]

Harbaugh also didn’t have a 65 man scholarship roster when he took over. Cupboard was full and yet he can’t beat tOSU, win a BIG title or make a NY 6 bowl. All things Franklin has done while rebuilding from severe sanctions. He also can’t win 11 games a season, again something Franklin has done...twice.

Cupboard was not full.

Harbaugh inherited a 5-7 team. Franklin inherited a 7-5 team.

Harbaugh isn't great against the top 3 East division opponents either. He is only .400. But that is a lot better than .214.

 

[roswelllion]

Clarifications from a long-time poster and Michigan fan:

- Coming here to explain away failure to finish better than 3rd in the conference is the height of fanboy insecurity. You point to it as if it’s some technicality - no it’s what we’ve done and where we’ve finished. Own it.

- Arguing the finer points of “running up the score” and “who didn’t it first” is pointless. If PSU players/coaches used it as motivation last year then good for them because they got stomped in 2016; if UM players coaches are using it as motivation this year then good for them because they got stomped in 2017. Whether or not Speight threw a pass with five minutes left or Franklin hurried to run a play with 20 seconds left did not change the embarrassing outcome for either team in either game.

Always enjoy your posts Annison. Hard to imagine you are really a fan of UM.

 

[Lion Lineage]

Cupboard was not full.

Harbaugh inherited a 5-7 team. Franklin inherited a 7-5 team.

Harbaugh isn't great against the top 3 East division opponents either. He is only .400. But that is a lot better than .214.

You’re comparing an 85 man scholarship roster to 65? LOL! PURE MICHIGAN.

 

[Bobpsu]

Love the rivalry. Love the hype. 2 ranked teams. Anything can happen.

But to make sure we are all on the same page about the past:

Big 10 Championship vs 3rd place: not really a coaching issue but rather a Big 10 tie breaker rule. Both teams had the same record. UM beat both PSU and Wisconsin (at Wisconsin) that year (which was the Championship game) Difference between um and psu wasn’t record or head-to-head - it was UM lost at Iowa, PSU lost to Pitt. So it was in conference vs. out-of-conference that made the difference.

Running up the score: running to the line of scrimmage to get off a play with under a minute left when up by 100 is different then throwing a pass when up by 100 with 8 minutes left. If you don’t see that, then you are a fan of your team but not a football fan.

Defending a loss already?

 

[psualum10]

Harbaugh also didn’t have a 65 man scholarship roster when he took over. Cupboard was full and yet he can’t beat tOSU, win a BIG title or make a NY 6 bowl. All things Franklin has done while rebuilding from severe sanctions. He also can’t win 11 games a season, again something Franklin has done...twice.

They were in the Orange Bowl 2 years ago when we went to the Rose Bowl. The correct wording would've been win a NY6 bowl since we won the Fiesta Bowl last year and they lost that Orange Bowl (and were the only B1G team to lose a bowl game last year at all of course)

 

[ivan brunetti]

You’re comparing an 85 man scholarship roster to 65? LOL! PURE MICHIGAN.

You are way overplaying your sanctions. It hurt your depth when BB was on board. But any effects are long since past.

Look at the recruiting class with which Harbaugh was left (2015, Hoke's last class). Penn St. 14th, Michigan 37th. How is that a "full cupboard"?

 

[SR108]

You are way overplaying your sanctions. It hurt your depth when BB was on board. But any effects are long since past.

Look at the recruiting class with which Harbaugh was left (2015, Hoke's last class). Penn St. 14th, Michigan 37th. How is that a "full cupboard"?

Math, count the number of scholarship players, in particular, specific positions.

 

[CDLionFL]

You are way overplaying your sanctions. It hurt your depth when BB was on board. But any effects are long since past.

Look at the recruiting class with which Harbaugh was left (2015, Hoke's last class). Penn St. 14th, Michigan 37th. How is that a "full cupboard"?

Been drinking from that Flint water supply again?

 

[michnittlion]

Love the rivalry. Love the hype. 2 ranked teams. Anything can happen.

But to make sure we are all on the same page about the past:

Big 10 Championship vs 3rd place: not really a coaching issue but rather a Big 10 tie breaker rule. Both teams had the same record. UM beat both PSU and Wisconsin (at Wisconsin) that year (which was the Championship game) Difference between um and psu wasn’t record or head-to-head - it was UM lost at Iowa, PSU lost to Pitt. So it was in conference vs. out-of-conference that made the difference.

Running up the score: running to the line of scrimmage to get off a play with under a minute left when up by 100 is different then throwing a pass when up by 100 with 8 minutes left. If you don’t see that, then you are a fan of your team but not a football fan.

No offense - but this isn't correct. PSU was 8-1 in B1G play in 2016 and U-M was 7-2 in B1G play in 2016. One team had one more loss (against a team that PSU beat, for what that's worth).

 

[ivan brunetti]

Math, count the number of scholarship players, in particular, specific positions.

I looked at the 2015 (Harbaugh's first year) wiki page for Penn State. The players are listed but it doesn't indicate how many are scholarship players. There are way more than 85.

That recruiting class for Penn St had 25 players. Michigan's had 14. Those players would now be either seniors or redshirt juniors.

 

[Lion84]

You are way overplaying your sanctions. It hurt your depth when BB was on board. But any effects are long since past.

Look at the recruiting class with which Harbaugh was left (2015, Hoke's last class). Penn St. 14th, Michigan 37th. How is that a "full cupboard"?

Wow - you know nothing about College Football - so you just immediately bounce back when sanctions are lifted - and it the same as a team with a solid roster that under performs - yeah OK.