Add to all that, rankers aren't sure if Haines red shirts or goes this year. I think once it is clear that he is the 157 he will be ranked better.
Facundo #5 in Flo rankings
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Haines beating Lewan is as much a signature win as Facundo beating Amine. Lewan was 5th last year and preseason number 1. It was a really great win. The reason why he didn’t move up into the top 8 and maybe the top 5 is because he lost to Zerban. Facundo only has a 4-2 loss to Carr. That is the difference. I wish Haines wrestled Saldate just to have another ranked win but he is definitely moving in the right direction and will crack that top 10 barrier very soon
Yes it's from Intermat. That's the official rankings for BIG 10. Flo's are always garbage
Are you going to accept the offer and put up the 10.00? Wrestling for Life wins either way. Come on....you can't possibly lose to the "biggest tool on this board"........Wrestling for Life is begging for his money
Sure, no problem, but I don't see that he has committed to the bet.
this is true if you ignore that i've committed to the bet in 2 separate posts
I'm not ignoring anything, you never asked me to bet you.... or did I miss that post? If so, i must have missed it. If you're interested in placing money on it to be given to the named Charity, that's fine by me.
If Brands turtles up it will be hard to MAJ him; he’s a sound enough defensive wrestler that it’ll be hard to get enough TDs without back points to do it.
If he DOES actually wrestle, it might happen. Starocci put it on Hayden Hidlay 10-3 at NCAAs last year, and Hidlay is better in every possible way. Difference being Hidlay had to wrestle to win, as opposed to wrestling to avoid bonus.
If he DOES actually wrestle, it might happen. Starocci put it on Hayden Hidlay 10-3 at NCAAs last year, and Hidlay is better in every possible way. Difference being Hidlay had to wrestle to win, as opposed to wrestling to avoid bonus.
I'll say this. Starocci is absolutely capable of majoring Brands as his result against Hidlay would suggest. But that match is an outlier. Starocci has a career 20% bonus rate against NCAA qualifiers. And that doesn't include multiple non-bonus wins against non-qualifiers, including 1 this year. He has a career 10% bonus rate at the NCAA tournament, where bonus matters most.
On top of this, Nelson Brands has been bonused once his entire career, and that includes 2 years wrestling up a weight class (and a match against Aaron Brooks).
Going off the full body of work for both guys, bonus should be unexpected, but still possible.
What? I already said I'd pay $10 to WFL if CS does not win by MAJ or >. The only person dodging at this point is you sport.
Again I hope I get to eat my words, but I don’t expect bonus from Carter. I actually don’t see much bonus at all outside of Spencer.
What the f..k is going on around here. Are we wrestling Iowa this week or something what's all the banter about lol
Whatever happens, just excited about this dual and watching some great wrestling. Cheering loudly for the Blue & White in our house.
For those that want to make a bonus point win for Starocci incontrovertible, try KYPSW. It would be humbling for several of you.
For those that want to make a bonus point win for Starocci incontrovertible, try KYPSW. It would be humbling for several of you.
The only caveat to using career numbers in relation to Starocci is that offensively Starocci as a Junior is nothing like Starocci the Freshman when he was winning matches against quality wrestlers without a takedown. His bonus rate has improved every year by a significant amount. Brands is what he was. Does Starocci bonus him? I don't know but I would not be surprised by either result.
Starocci season so far:
Brands isn’t the best but he’s better than most of these guys, for sure his defense is better. But if Starocci gets bonus points I will be here to let you all tell me “told you so”.
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I hate it when you guys start this betting stuff.
All it does is cause more bad will, whether acknowledged or not.
If I were God I would outlaw betting.
Of course, if I were God, a lot of you would be in trouble anyway.
All it does is cause more bad will, whether acknowledged or not.
If I were God I would outlaw betting.
Of course, if I were God, a lot of you would be in trouble anyway.
It’s for a good cause. The money is being donated to Wrestling for Life. You should check them out.
Two guys wrestle 10 times, different results will happen. This one match is likely to be a decision or a major, though pins are always possible. Tech fall is the least likely result. If I were to give odds, just me but the most likely result is a Starocci decision, followed somewhat closely by it being a major decision, then a very slim chance it will be a pin or tech fall.
Totally agree. A few on here are stating MD for Carter at a minimum. We will know for sure Friday night.
Emphasis on “a few.”
Always entertaining to see how quickly fan enthusiasm can morph into unrealistic expectations and/or wildly overconfident predictions. Happens to the best of us.
I do know one thing, people referencing bonus rate from Starrocci's FR NC Season are spouting useless information. The "here & now" Carter Starocci is a very different animal then the one some want to keep referencing.
Removing his freshman year brings his bonus against NQ to 30%. It doesn't change much. It should be emphasized 3/4 of his bonus victories against NQ last year were against the 32 and 33 seeds, Solis and O'Neill. Both had losing records. The 4th was the 17th seed.
Starocci is incredible. There is no doubt. But he doesn't have a history of bonusing anybody ranked in the top 12-15 like Brands. The best wrestler he has EVER bonused is Nick Incontrera, who is currently ranked 22nd by intermat. Not every elite wrestler is a bonus machine.
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Listen, if a Ref is going to swallow his whistle and allow blatant stalling (as happened in the match you reference), you could have that type of result. If Baby-Brands comes out and engages Storrucci, he's getting used, abused and pummeled. Any other questions Mr. Delusion?
Consider that Nelson may be overrated simply because he starts for Iowa. I've inferred from some on HR posters that Nelson's starting spot is an act of nepotism. These posters seem to consider 174 a hole to be recruited over.
Further consider that last year's Brands did not have a surgically repaired elbow and did not miss part of the season due to a motor vehicle accident.
So will be going with Carter majoring Nelson--even as it's very likely Nelson will be turtling up and I will be goading the referee to make more stall calls.
I think Roar has it about right "...the most likely result is a Starocci decision, followed somewhat closely by it being a major decision, then a very slim chance it will be a pin or tech fall." My sense is most view it that way, with one notable exception.
So 12-5 with riding time.I think Roar has it about right "...the most likely result is a Starocci decision, followed somewhat closely by it being a major decision, then a very slim chance it will be a pin or tech fall." My sense is most view it that way, with one notable exception.
no he's a legit top 15 guy. no way around that. should he be recruited over? sure, anybody who isn't an AA lock should be.
he's not overrated because he wrestles for iowa. he's overrated specifically by iowa fans because his name is brands. they put insane expectations on him. he's already way outperformed his recruit ranking. the problem is relying on non top 50 recruits to be multi-year starters.
in summary: he's good, not great.
Steen has never been pinned.
Going off his full body of work, losing by fall to Spencer should be unexpected.
You liked DeSanto more than Assad,whats your point?I like him more than Assad.
the difference is we have tons of examples of spencer pinning guys who don't get pinned. you take both guys' bodies of work into account. certainly possible he techs him too quickly and doesn't pin though.
It’s a running joke between JS and I. So really, my point is none of your f****** business. Was I clear enough for you?
Paid Iowa Haters shouldn't like any Iowa wrestlers more than others. Consider your pay docked.It’s a running joke between JS and I. So really, my point is none of your f****** business. Was I clear enough for you?
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