Ferrari and related drama
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Im still standing and with all my body parts intact so im pretty sure I dodged that bullet!
Mad Dog 20/20 1.5 litre handle was our change of pace choice beverage up at Bloomsburg. I still save coins in a old bottle at work. My wife had surprise 50th for me years ago. Invited a friend that went to Bloom with me. He bought every flavor that MD makes now. The Shrek color Lime one was horrible.
He was sick/injured/personal reasons for all top ranked opponents, crazy I know, right.Healthy in time for Cal Baptist and Cal Poly...
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You can't be undefeated if you wrestle the guys who can beat you.Healthy in time for Cal Baptist and Cal Poly...
It's wrestling people get hurt 🤷 . If he beats Munoz and Little hes probably the #3 seed at NCAA. The winner of Barr/ Cardenas is probably the #2 and Buchanan if he wins Big 10 will be the #1. Barr/ Cardenas loser will be the #4 and Beard #5 probably
He suffered a pulled emoji?
In the evidence room, or it was.Cue video of AJ pulling a wrestler's eggplant emoji.
Ah yes, Blue Knob - "Ski Good or Eat Wood!" lol
Why wouldn’t it be:
1) Buchanan
2) ferrari
3) winner of Barr/cardenas
4) beard
5)surber
6) loser of barr/cardenas
They tend to weigh conferences champs more.
You're probably right about Ferrari getting the 2.
Relative to Barr and Cardenas:
- He wins Coaches Rank, Conf Finish, and Win % -- 10 pts each
- He loses Quality Wins and RPI -- 10 pts each
- Even split in H2H and Common Opponents
Without doing the seeding math, Surber will probably get the 3 ahead of the B10 runner-up. He's #1 in RPI, and that often correlates with Quality Wins. He'll win Conf Finish. And he'll beat both in Win % due to more matches.
Great pick up. I don’t know how the rest get seeded. But from your post, if Barr doesn’t win the whole damn thing at BIG 10s, he may be better off with losing to Cardenas in the semis and winning 3rd
Barr is going to win it all next month.
I like to see him add a double leg against the tougher opponents. Brown and Dean who were a little shorter than a lot opponents used the double leg to get that needed takedown .
While on the topic of stupid things done survived when drunk, i had a fraternity brother who, on the first day of pledging, got plastered and decided to climb a cell phone tower on top of north mountain outside of carlisle (of course, after he had may his way over the fence with the barbed wire at the top). Climbed up near the top. Fell. Caught himself in free fall. Climbed back down.
Our "best" "punch" was:
We'd take a mess of fresh chopped mint on wednesday, let it soak in bourbon for two days. Friday, take it out and use the whiskey for a julep-style concoction. But, so as to not waste anything, we'd take the mint and cut it with skoal. You really didn't need to drink the punch if you just put a pinch between your cheek and gum.
Our "best" "punch" was:
We'd take a mess of fresh chopped mint on wednesday, let it soak in bourbon for two days. Friday, take it out and use the whiskey for a julep-style concoction. But, so as to not waste anything, we'd take the mint and cut it with skoal. You really didn't need to drink the punch if you just put a pinch between your cheek and gum.
There it gets complicated because Beard would have a higher Win % and Conf Finish than both, but loses RPI to both and H2H to Barr. And seeding is done by simulated round robin.
So Beard could be anywhere from 4-6 ... without going thru the seeding math.
I know of one Darwin Award winner whose story didn't end well. I remember reading about someone who got really toasted during a football game and climbed over the fence of a substation after the game. He then climbed up between the high voltage terminals of the main transformer, probably trying to pretend he was Spiderman or something similar. Well they keep those terminals separated by a good distance for a reason. When the guy climbed between them, an arc jumped across with him in the middle and he was fried in an instant. I'm not making this up, and I'm pretty sure that it happened at Penn State, maybe sometime in the late 70's. Anyone else hear about this?
BTW, Glazier is currently 4th in B12, 17th coaches' rank, and 11th in RPI (14th when others qualify.
This puts him squarely in the group of guys Ferrari could draw in Round 2.
This puts him squarely in the group of guys Ferrari could draw in Round 2.
I don't see Barr going behind Beard with his H2H win . AJ could be the #2 but my opinion with the big 10 schedule and the quality wins could put the 2nd guy in the big 10 the 2 seed. If it's AJ 2 and big 10 2nd 3rd I don't see it mattering much with the 2/3 being on the same side
I dug into the NCAA Seeding Math a little ...
Let's assume Ferrari is the unbeaten Pac 12 champ, and Surber and Beard both win their conferences.
Even so, the top 6 seeds are total chaos until after conference tourneys. Most of the scenarios have sub-scenarios. But:
- if Barr wins B10s, then he gets the 1 at NCAAs (Ferrari would get the 2). If Barr finishes 2nd at B10s, then he's likely the 4 seed. If he loses to Cardenas in B10 semis, then he's likely the 5 seed.
- If Buchanan is the unbeaten B10 champ, then he gets the 1 over Ferrari. But: if Buchanan loses the OKST dual and wins B10s, then the top 3 seeds are chaos -- Buchanan, Ferrari, and Surber would beat each other in the round robin simulation.
- If Cardenas wins B10s, then the top 4 seeds are chaos -- Cardenas, Ferrari, Buchanan, and Surber would beat each other in the round robin sim. (Maybe that changes somewhat with the Iowa-OKST dual, but this makes my head spin already.)
- Ferrari gets seeded ahead of the B10 runner-up, regardless of who that is. The only way this doesn't happen is if the B10 runner-up is somehow still ahead of an unbeaten conference champ Ferrari in the coaches' poll.
Here's the math showing B10 Champ Barr over Ferrari. Note, assuming Barr gets the higher Coaches Rank because he's currently ranked higher than Ferrari, and would have to beat 2 of the top 4 guys to win B10s.
Pitt's Mac Stout (20-2) might also be in this mix if he wins ACCs, except he lost to Beard.
Let's assume Ferrari is the unbeaten Pac 12 champ, and Surber and Beard both win their conferences.
Even so, the top 6 seeds are total chaos until after conference tourneys. Most of the scenarios have sub-scenarios. But:
- if Barr wins B10s, then he gets the 1 at NCAAs (Ferrari would get the 2). If Barr finishes 2nd at B10s, then he's likely the 4 seed. If he loses to Cardenas in B10 semis, then he's likely the 5 seed.
- If Buchanan is the unbeaten B10 champ, then he gets the 1 over Ferrari. But: if Buchanan loses the OKST dual and wins B10s, then the top 3 seeds are chaos -- Buchanan, Ferrari, and Surber would beat each other in the round robin simulation.
- If Cardenas wins B10s, then the top 4 seeds are chaos -- Cardenas, Ferrari, Buchanan, and Surber would beat each other in the round robin sim. (Maybe that changes somewhat with the Iowa-OKST dual, but this makes my head spin already.)
- Ferrari gets seeded ahead of the B10 runner-up, regardless of who that is. The only way this doesn't happen is if the B10 runner-up is somehow still ahead of an unbeaten conference champ Ferrari in the coaches' poll.
Here's the math showing B10 Champ Barr over Ferrari. Note, assuming Barr gets the higher Coaches Rank because he's currently ranked higher than Ferrari, and would have to beat 2 of the top 4 guys to win B10s.
| Wrestler | H2H | Quality Wins | Rank | Conf Finish | Common Opponents | Win % | RPI | Total |
| Ferrari | 12.5 | 5 | 0 | 5 | 5 | 10 | 0 | 38 |
| Barr 1 | 12.5 | 15 | 15 | 5 | 5 | 0 | 10 | 63 |
Pitt's Mac Stout (20-2) might also be in this mix if he wins ACCs, except he lost to Beard.
Here is the NCAA seeding math if Buchanan finishes 2nd at B10s, assuming Buchanan beats Surber in the dual:
| Wrestler | H2H | Quality Wins | Rank | Conf Finish | Common Opponents | Win % | RPI | Total |
| Ferrari | 12.5 | 5 | 15 | 10 | 5 | 10 | 0 | 58 |
| Buchanan 2 | 12.5 | 15 | 0 | 0 | 5 | 0 | 10 | 43 |
The only way Buchanan is seeded ahead of Ferrari here is if he still wins Coaches' Rank, which is currently 1 Buchanan, 2 Barr, 3 Ferrari, 4 Cardenas.
Exact same table for Barr and Cardenas being B10 runner-up. Cardenas is unlikely to pass Ferrari in the poll without winning B10s.
Coaches rankings will definitely be a factor in all of this. Common I believe is a 10/0 I don't believe it can be a 5/5 split. And a quality win is a win against anyone who's in the field and thats not yet determined. So many factors still
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How can Common be a 10-0 if they have no common opponents, or if they're both unbeaten against the common opponents? If it's by # wins only, then it's still a tie.
As far as Quality Wins goes: currently Buchanan has 8, Ferrari has 3. Ferrari cannot match the quantity.
Also, Quality Wins is a math formula based upon both quantity and quality. Ferrari's best win is Stemmet (18 in Coaches Poll) -- though if he wins Pac 12s, then add on 7 Little and/or 12 Munoz. Buchanan has already beaten Munoz and Stemmet, and has also beaten 2 Barr and 8 Salazar. There's no way Ferrari catches Buchanan in quantity or quality of opponent.
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Do you really think you have to have met every single person to have a qualified opinion of them? Because you don't.
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Do you have any kids that lived?
Sorry I meant it's 10 for 1 guy or it's 0. It can't be a 5/5 split. Like quality wins they can be split 20/0, 15/5 or 10/10
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Whether it’s shown as a 5/5 split or 0/0 (because no common opponents) it’s the same thing, no?
Quality wins can't be determined until the field at NCAA is finalized. A QW is a win against a guy in the field of 33. Guys can get hurt or get beat
Yes was just making sure he understood the splits so he didn't make that mistake with other categories.
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