Wow....Cox is one angry man. He rips on Bo in a passive aggressive way in his Flo interview. He doesn't feel like he gets the proper respect. Dude has a personal grudge list in his mind and literally had a written list of names, kinda like Arya in Game of Thrones. He seems to be wired a little differently. I'm curious to see what he does for Tokyo.
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You are incorrect. The correct score wasn’t on the board. Mat Official went 2 Blue , Judge went 2 red. The Mat Chair can’t independently award 2 and 2 in that sequence without discussion with the official and judge and that couldn’t and didn’t take place until after that sequence.
Once that happens and final points are awarded, Cael has 5 seconds then. The challenge was legit.
Lost in all this, Congrats to Zain, a deserving USA rep....you got it done when nobody thought you could
So why was the challenge necessary in that instance. If that is in fact the rule, a brick shouldn’t have been needed. A challenge after time ran out which is invalid according to the rules.
If Yianni's whole appeal rests on the idea that the two phantom points he was mistakenly awarded could not be challenged because five seconds had elapsed, that's pretty thin as injustices go, because then we're merely trading Yianni's procedural injustice for Zain's substantive injustice.
The idea that USA Wrestling is going to flip the match on a post-match appeal, besides ignoring the fact that such a thing has never happened (so far as I'm aware), requires deliberately ignoring many other rules in tension with the rule relied upon for the appeal, but more importantly, relies on the dubious idea that USA Wrestling has any interest in getting into the business of reviewing matches days after they've occurred because it implies far more than the instant matter. It's a pandora's box.
Page 19 section d - in a case of a disagreement it is the mat chairman’s responsibility to settle the dispute and deterMine the score.
Which is exactly what happened. Cael
Has 5 seconds to throw a brick to dispute that call—that didn’t happen.
I don’t disagree. I will 100% side with you on the fact that Zain outwrestled Yianni.. I am simply stating according to my very unimportant interpretation of the rules Yianni wins match 2. Whether a third match happens or not is no concern to me, however, I do feel the rules surrounding this match need to addressed.
On a positive note, both wrestlers are phenomenal representatives both as wrestlers and as men.
I don't know why some think they know more than the officials and keep assuming they just know what's going on. Then they get all emotional and make false claims. It's wrestling, there's issues with refs and rules and everyone knows that. It also isn't easy with the best of the best flying around the mat. jschrantz is right. Zain won 2 in a row and earned it. How about celebrating that? As far as Flo, they do seem to love drama.
With such good rules analysis on both sides, I guess the fans win! 
I’m just here for the rules analysis. BIG congrats to Zain!With such good rules analysis on both sides, I guess the fans win!
What are ya, a gymnomongophobist?
My therapist has labeled me a lot of things, but never that.
The fund only pays off refs when it’s a gopher opponent—I thought you knew that.
Uh oh, looks like someone woke up a little bitter after getting Gwizz'd on again last night.
Apart from any claims about procedures and rules, the fact remains that Yianni did not score exposure points in the sequence in which he was given them, and he did not outscore Zain, who had criteria because he had a four-pointer.
Zain outwrestled Yianni. He showed the ability to make adjustments and he absolutely deserves the spot.
Zain outwrestled Yianni. He showed the ability to make adjustments and he absolutely deserves the spot.
That’s a lot of left-handed Mongols! How sinister!
It's almost like there'd be a way to turn a 3rd match into profit or something . . .
To be fair, I'm sure Zain would prefer to win without controversy, and will be ready to go if a 3rd match happens. I'll be ready to watch! But I tend to agree w/ Tikk--still seems like a pandora's box and the powers that be need to be very careful in opening it.
To be fair, I'm sure Zain would prefer to win without controversy, and will be ready to go if a 3rd match happens. I'll be ready to watch! But I tend to agree w/ Tikk--still seems like a pandora's box and the powers that be need to be very careful in opening it.
Nice effort, but,
Your post ran out of gas at the end ... kinda like how the Goofer HWT gassed yesterday.
I have little doubt Bo, if he sticks with the sport, will be in a position to medal, and probably win it all a few times--but gotta give Cox props. He doesn't play the PSU "score points" way, but he is very, very good at what he does.
Being hated and boo'ed just means we are relevant. For decades nobody outside our fan base was passionate about PSU wresting either for or against.
I can live with this ...
I can live with this ...
Ditto, when we hired Cael my goal was to be as successful Iowa had been and figured we would be there when we were as hated as Iowa was. Now that we are there I don't really like that part of it. However, I am enjoying our success both on and off the mate. As to the haters, better to just ignore them. To do otherwise just adds fuel to their fire. DON'T FEED THE TROLLS.
A question: why does the wrestling world even consider an appeal with a potential 3rd match a possibility? Other than boxing, I can't think of a single sport where such a thing would be seriously entertained. There have been LOADS of bad calls that impact the result of high level competitions. But could you imagine a rematch in the Super Bowl? It's preposterous. So why in wrestling? Just because the productions don't have to be that large? If so--in a way, advocating for this seems to be a step backwards in the "advancement of the sport." Or is there some other reason? I'm all for getting the right call, etc--but it seems weird to even think this is feasible--precedent or not. Anyone have any ideas?
Because everyone is reading and applying the section of the rules that support their biases.
I am doing the same.
Still waiting to hear that the wrestling world as in USA Wrestling is considering it. Speculation on message boards doesn't mean it is actually be considered or even can be considered per the rules. I'm guessing there is no provision in the rules for any such appeal. The fact that Rob Koll couldn't even figure out who or where to file such an appeal makes me even more sure of that.
It is mostly just hot takes, and the usual "my bias is more sanctimonious than yours" stuff in all the internet chatter--but Koll really seems to think he has a pathway here (or maybe he's just doing everything he can do for his guy, which is admirable enough).
If it goes through, can we please get a rematch of tOSU's 2014 squad? Also, a retroactive BCS matchup between PSU and Nebraska 1994? If this goes through--I'll contend it is taking a potentially bad situation for the sport (a bad ruling--hypothetically, I don't know the rules), and making it a lot worse.
I haven’t mentioned it before, but I am the secret ruler of Earth. All appeals would go to me. I hereby rule that Zain won.
No idea if an appeal will be successful (and i haven't seen either match, but looking forward to any free links), but if it is, they should throw out match 2 entirely, and start match 2 over. Yianni needs to win 2/2, Zain needs to win 1.
Uhoh, don't look now, but I guess TR is our buddy now.
This was a hugely underrated post that needs to be bumped to get more run.
Many levels to the trollery involved
Great interview, but the haircut... do he AND Tank happen to be making trips to Clarion??
I think Zain sold his hair to the devil to gain his ungodly skills.
With all due respect to Derek Jeter, that’s the Captain right there
In what world was Zain not exposed there? Take off the homer glasses. If the roles were reversed, you all would be going absolutely bananas.
It could have conceivably been scored 2 and 2 or just 2 Yianni. 2 Zain is incomprehensible. You can make the argument that he elevated the leg enough to expose Yianni, but rolling through across his back was certainly not his move. That's all Yianni's action at that point and Zains legs are straight out in the air as he desperately tried to lower his hips to avoid getting taken through. 2 and 2 is the best Zain could have hoped for from competent officiating there. Zain was the benefactor of a questionable call at best, and bad call at worst. It happens in sports. There's no need to double down because he's the guy you were rooting for.
I was rooting for Zain btw and he's one of my favorite PSU guys ever. Loved the way he wrestled both matches and felt he was the better guy yesterday, but he absolutely should have lost that match. You don't have to justify a bad call here just because.
