Free or Folk?
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At these gas prices? No way.
Last week, I made it clear that in my mind G/R should not be classified with F/S wrestling - enough of that topic!
I realize after watching way too much F/S wrestling the last month or so - folkstyle is much more exciting to watch! Even Lewan!
3-4 leg laces and that's exposure - dumb as hell to me? The guys are sitting on their asses and rolling to keep their knees from being torn!
I've never been leg laced - have no idea if it's painful or not - Beau went around quick when Alirez pinched/crossed his knees -
dropping to your knees prevents the 1pt step out or you see a caution offered for fleeing ... maybe caution and 1 ... what the hell? You are out of bounds, knees or not? Award the point! Keep it consistent
body locks and exposures when you clearly are taken down is dumb - the initiator gets penalized for the elementary school roll thru ?!?! <--- really DUMB
Folkstyle is understood by every wrestler / wrestling fan in the USA - Top/Bottom/Neutral -
I realize after watching way too much F/S wrestling the last month or so - folkstyle is much more exciting to watch! Even Lewan!
3-4 leg laces and that's exposure - dumb as hell to me? The guys are sitting on their asses and rolling to keep their knees from being torn!
I've never been leg laced - have no idea if it's painful or not - Beau went around quick when Alirez pinched/crossed his knees -
dropping to your knees prevents the 1pt step out or you see a caution offered for fleeing ... maybe caution and 1 ... what the hell? You are out of bounds, knees or not? Award the point! Keep it consistent
body locks and exposures when you clearly are taken down is dumb - the initiator gets penalized for the elementary school roll thru ?!?! <--- really DUMB
Folkstyle is understood by every wrestler / wrestling fan in the USA - Top/Bottom/Neutral -
I thought freestyle was growing on me. But last week, the US Open matches were on, so I decided to watch. First match up - a PSU commit --- TD, leg lace 1, 2 ,3, 4 match over. I realized I couldn't sit through this ridiculous sport. Even with no other options, I couldn't bring myself to watch freestyle. It's too damn annoying.
Two years ago Is when I started to like freestyle, not sure why either something just clicked and I understood the rules and the techniques. There really is more action and less stalling in freestyle compared to folk. Folk's offering of positions is what keeps it interesting IF the top wrestler decides to push offense however, if the just ride to stay on top give me freestyle all day. I can flip flop between the two, as for Greco-Roman it should have died as soon as Free/folk became a thing! 🤮
Excellent bump timing.
Do you (or anyone else) happen to know if Dunke is OK and if he'll ever come back here? He had some priceless comments.
No idea, haven't heard anything of him in 2 years, good or bad. A shame for us, miss having him around. Hope everything is ok.
There is more action in free but I do like the positional wrestling of folk as long as they ARE trying to score. So I do like both but with the top bottom rules as of last year free is on average more action packed, way more ways to score on your feet.
Edit- but folk you got your high pace scrambles albeit not to often with the elite vs elite once you get passed 133
Edit- but folk you got your high pace scrambles albeit not to often with the elite vs elite once you get passed 133
If I remember correctly his father was having some health issues and he said he needed to prioritize his time and spend less of it on the board. I was hoping he'd post again during B10s or Nationals but hasn't.
Freestyle penalizes poor technique. Just say you guys like watching poor technique.
I just watched a match on the yootubes, against my better judgement.
There was an attempted shot, the target (might be one of the present or future Lions) evaded the shot with a roll. However in rolling out, he had a "back exposure" and so the uncompleted shot was rewarded with points-sure that's penalizing poor technique-if you value choreography over conquest.
Just say you like ballroom dance.
All styles penalize poor technique through the rules of that style.
Exactly. @CropDuster507 the poor technique you want penalized is not poor technique in OUR style.
You're a young Jedi, enthusiastic about the ways of your force. Give it some time and you'll become a Yoda yet.
if poor technique is lockinhg up and doing nothing for 6 minutes I agree!better yet most non american westlers are allowed to take a break anytime with no punishment!
You old heads are extremists! Grow up and get out of your depends. Grumpy old farts. Lol
I feel bad for anyone who didn't experience the 70's personally. I've surely forgotten much of it but I just know I had a good time. only grumpy because I can't believe the crap I'm seeing. You ain't seen nothing yet. shoutout to BTO or was that Mat the Hoople...
I did miss the 70s but I am slightly familiar with the mid 80s, close enough?... nah didn't think so.
Make anyone grounding themselves after entering the zone a caution and one. That one fix makes it a damn near perfect ruleset. If you defend poorly and expose yourself, you should be penalized. If you take a poor attack and get exposed, you should be penalized.
Ya’ll some swill-sippers. I get disliking the injury delays. That’s on the ref. The world doesnt care that you can go 100mph and shoot poor attacks. The world cares if you CAN SCORE.
We’ll get there, ladies and gents… until then, you can skip U23s and watch dudes intentionally leave the surface to be rewarded a restart.
Ya’ll some swill-sippers. I get disliking the injury delays. That’s on the ref. The world doesnt care that you can go 100mph and shoot poor attacks. The world cares if you CAN SCORE.
We’ll get there, ladies and gents… until then, you can skip U23s and watch dudes intentionally leave the surface to be rewarded a restart.
Couple things:
1. This is an NCAA wrestling message board, not a freestyle or greco message board. So yes, we are going to probably favor folkstyle wrestling.
2. Growing up in PA, many on this board wrestled folk competitively. All probably at least wrestled folk in gym class. A small, probably miniscule subset ever wrestled freestyle or greco. The majority of us are going to always favor folk, f'd up rules and all.
Without taking a position on free vs folk -- refs have decided more than their share of folk matches too. Thru both bad calls and bad non-calls.
Likewise tons of "injury" stalling in folk. And too-slow retuns to center ... or did we forget Mesenbrink's final already?
Folk biggot here, big time.
Could a few changes help free?
1). Eliminate grounding. A step out is a step out.
2). 6 point max for any one sequence ( insert lace here).
3). 15 seconds back to center or a point, limit injury time to 30 seconds. Sorry 1 point infraction each time.
4). Too many situations where feet to back is only 2, and the whole arena looks perplexed, including the coaches.
5). I'll say it. Eliminate criteria, victory is for getting more points than the other guy, period. Stalling can be that last point.
6). Limit video review to 90 seconds, via a completely impartial judge.
7). Allow step out continuation within in the same sequence - insert PJ Duke here
I enjoy having two styles but will always far prefer folk.
I have suggestions there to
Could a few changes help free?
1). Eliminate grounding. A step out is a step out.
2). 6 point max for any one sequence ( insert lace here).
3). 15 seconds back to center or a point, limit injury time to 30 seconds. Sorry 1 point infraction each time.
4). Too many situations where feet to back is only 2, and the whole arena looks perplexed, including the coaches.
5). I'll say it. Eliminate criteria, victory is for getting more points than the other guy, period. Stalling can be that last point.
6). Limit video review to 90 seconds, via a completely impartial judge.
7). Allow step out continuation within in the same sequence - insert PJ Duke here
I enjoy having two styles but will always far prefer folk.
I have suggestions there to
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There is no comparison to injury stalling between free and folk. Especially now with rules in place which make it detrimental in folk. And once again the dumb ass exposure points.
“Dumbass exposure points” as opposed to… almost-pinning someone for an arbitrary amount of time, counted by a human with human mistakes. There’s so many “counts” in folk now that I can’t even count ‘em. OT system offers gamesmanship and incentivizes negative wrestling.
Ya’ll know I appreciate a good schtick, but that is not what’s happening here, folks. I actually believe it’s a better product and line of logic. It highlights what is most indicative of quality wrestling and creates the best viewing product in my opinion. I appreciate the opposing opinions. It takes a village. The elitist snark is definitely schtick.
Ya’ll know I appreciate a good schtick, but that is not what’s happening here, folks. I actually believe it’s a better product and line of logic. It highlights what is most indicative of quality wrestling and creates the best viewing product in my opinion. I appreciate the opposing opinions. It takes a village. The elitist snark is definitely schtick.
I think the same people that think soccer is a great sport because "the whole world loves it"; love freestyle for the same reason.
1. I don't have a problem with grounding but it can't be last second. Without grounding, we would have sumo wrestling within five feet of the boundary.Folk biggot here, big time.
Could a few changes help free?
1). Eliminate grounding. A step out is a step out.
2). 6 point max for any one sequence ( insert lace here).
3). 15 seconds back to center or a point, limit injury time to 30 seconds. Sorry 1 point infraction each time.
4). Too many situations where feet to back is only 2, and the whole arena looks perplexed, including the coaches.
5). I'll say it. Eliminate criteria, victory is for getting more points than the other guy, period. Stalling can be that last point.
6). Limit video review to 90 seconds, via a completely impartial judge.
7). Allow step out continuation within in the same sequence - insert PJ Duke here
I enjoy having two styles but will always far prefer folk.
I have suggestions there to
2. BIG agree. A TD and four alligators rolls doesn't necessarily indicate superiority. Do it twice and I'll believe it.
3. 15 seconds is too much. 30 seconds is too little but I agree with your thinking overall here.
4. They need to clean that up. Rule seems rigid on paper but comes across as arbitrary in practice.
5. Eliminate criteria victories if everything is equal. Say, each has 1 TD and 1 pushout. Go to OT and first to score TD or exposure wins. The current rule is somewhat arbitrary because it allows the last to go on the clock to lose on criteria, which seems to be an extra penalty for the same infraction as the other guy got.
6. Agreed.
7. Agreed.
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LOL your an excellent speaker!!NOT!!
5 SECONDS BACK TO THE CENTER!!Folk biggot here, big time.
Could a few changes help free?
1). Eliminate grounding. A step out is a step out.
2). 6 point max for any one sequence ( insert lace here).
3). 15 seconds back to center or a point, limit injury time to 30 seconds. Sorry 1 point infraction each time.
4). Too many situations where feet to back is only 2, and the whole arena looks perplexed, including the coaches.
5). I'll say it. Eliminate criteria, victory is for getting more points than the other guy, period. Stalling can be that last point.
6). Limit video review to 90 seconds, via a completely impartial judge.
7). Allow step out continuation within in the same sequence - insert PJ Duke here
I enjoy having two styles but will always far prefer folk.
I have suggestions there to
Just what we need… 55 different counts to 5 for officials to remember.
Just give the dude an attention. Anything after is a caution. This should be simple.
Same with intentional grounding… we’ll be able to see if they had been moved to the zone or not before. If the ground after contact to the zone, it’s caution and one.
no grounding no push outs no leg lace make them put their opponent on their back!
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